Rory McIlroy - 4 Time Major Winner

yipsnomore

First Up wrote: »

I'd say he is about as far from happy as you can get. It was eerily similar to his collapse at the Masters. He regularly "bounces back" after one bad hole but if the bad run extends beyond a hole or two - he is gone.

Today maybe but when he looks back in a few days lots of positives

prawnsambo

First Up wrote: »

I'd say he is about as far from happy as you can get. It was eerily similar to his collapse at the Masters. He regularly "bounces back" after one bad hole but if the bad run extends beyond a hole or two - he is gone.

Ah, it's not a bit like the Masters. Two over for the round when his playing partner was double bogeying successive holes is not a meltdown by any stretch.

Level par would have got him to a playoff.

Anatom

He finished two off the lead. That's not a bad weekend. Had the headlines been "Lowry finishes two off lead" or even "Anatom finishes two off lead"* the reaction would have been completely different. Its because it's Rory that expectations are so much higher. We need to cut him a bit of slack. He had a good weekend.

(* Not least because Anatom would still be too drunk to be able to write his own name twice in the one sentence...)

First Up

Anatom wrote: »

He finished two off the lead. That's not a bad weekend. Had the headlines been "Lowry finishes two off lead" or even "Anatom finishes two off lead"* the reaction would have been completely different. Its because it's Rory that expectations are so much higher. We need to cut him a bit of slack. He had a good weekend.

(* Not least because Anatom would still be too drunk to be able to write his own name twice in the one sentence...)

Its not about expectations. He had a three shot lead at the start of the day, extended it to six over Scott and then frittered it away with sloppy driving and poor approach play. Sure Scott played well (and showed great resilience after two doubles) but Rory going from 6 ahead to 2 behind in 13 holes doesn't sound like a good weekend to me.

yipsnomore

First Up wrote: »

then frittered it away with sloppy driving and poor approach play.

Do you play golf ha ha ? That's what happens when you are 5 to 10% off on a windy course with more water than Venice. It wasn't sloppy. Scott played similarly the day before. When your off your off

BigChap1759

Anatom wrote: »

He finished two off the lead. That's not a bad weekend. Had the headlines been "Lowry finishes two off lead" or even "Anatom finishes two off lead"* the reaction would have been completely different. Its because it's Rory that expectations are so much higher. We need to cut him a bit of slack. He had a good weekend.

(* Not least because Anatom would still be too drunk to be able to write his own name twice in the one sentence...)

He bottled a 3 shot lead and was the only player on the first page of the leaderboard who was over par for the final round - it was a very poor final round from Rory and there's no getting away from it.

HighLine

As above.. I'm sure Rory himself would accept that his Sunday performance was shockingly poor considering the lead he had and how he basically threw it away.

That said, his Friday and Saturday rounds were really good and the new putting grip obviously worked with 23 putts on Saturday. Onwards and hopefully upwards.

First Up

yipsnomore wrote: »

Do you play golf ha ha ? That's what happens when you are 5 to 10% off on a windy course with more water than Venice. It wasn't sloppy. Scott played similarly the day before. When your off your off

Same course and conditions for everyone. Scott had two doubles yesterday and still had the skill and mental strength to come back. I know it isn't a popular opinion but there is a weakness in Rory's mental make up and (an even less popular opinion) his caddy does bugger all to help when he is out of sorts.

BigChap1759

First Up wrote: »

Same course and conditions for everyone. Scott had two doubles yesterday and still had the skill and mental strength to come back. I know it isn't a popular opinion but there is a weakness in Rory's mental make up and (an even less popular opinion) his caddy does bugger all to help when he is out of sorts.

You're really not a JP fan are you?:rolleyes:

Mantis Toboggan

I wouldn't be blaming his caddie, he's not exactly a psychologist.

Rory's main problem was he was trying to defend a lead instead of increasing it, he's not good defensively, taking irons off the tee might sound sensible but it doesn't work for him, he needed to make a few birdies early on and finish it as early as possible

First Up

BigChap1759 wrote: »

You're really not a JP fan are you?:rolleyes:

In those situations, no I'm not. Maybe JP would be happy to get more involved if Rory would let him; maybe he doesn't know that to do.

Either way, the necessary chemistry when things are going badly is simply not there.

First Up

Tyson Fury wrote: »

I wouldn't be blaming his caddie, he's not exactly a psychologist.

Rory's main problem was he was trying to defend a lead instead of increasing it, he's not good defensively, taking irons off the tee might sound sensible but it doesn't work for him, he needed to make a few birdies early on and finish it as early as possible

The best caddies are psychologists, or at least the best player/caddy relationships include a bit of it.

yipsnomore

Regardless (until afterwards) the only thing that matters this year is the Masters. McIlroys history is one of bouncing back quick. I fully expect him to be in the mix at Augusta.

Keano

First Up wrote: »

The best caddies are psychologists, or at least the best player/caddy relationships include a bit of it.

More caddy talk...seriously.

First Up

Keano wrote:

More caddy talk...seriously.

Well it is hardly in dispute that Rory is prone to mental lapses and has had a number of implosions when leading or close to the lead.

If you can think of anyone who might be able help him better than the guy carrying his bag and walking beside him, I'd say he would be glad to hear from you.

BigChap1759

BigChap1759 wrote: »

He bottled a 3 shot lead and was the only player on the first page of the leaderboard who was over par for the final round - it was a very poor final round from Rory and there's no getting away from it.

His playing partner shot 79. DJ

Seve OB

Exactly wrote: »

His playing partner shot 79. DJ

that had to of been a factor. it is awful to be playing with someone hacking it around.

moycullen14

Exactly wrote: »

His playing partner shot 79. DJ

This must have contributed to Rory's problems. DJ loping around like a sick giraffe, stinking out the course can't have been good for McIlroys concentration.

prawnsambo

If people are looking for reasons, I'd say DJ in full meltdown mode beside him couldn't have been much help.

On the 18th DJ put his ball in the water on the left and then Rory pushed his out to the right.

I've noticed before how playing partners can bring players who otherwise have been playing well down a notch or three if they're playing badly.

kiers47

I understand the DJ factor cant have helped. But this should not be an excuse at this level.

He simply did not get it done. End of. The greats would never have lapsed under these circumstances regardless.

prawnsambo

kiers47 wrote: »

I understand the DJ factor cant have helped. But this should not be an excuse at this level.

He simply did not get it done. End of. The greats would never have lapsed under these circumstances regardless.

End of.

The greats have all had bad rounds. There's usually a reason.

yipsnomore

kiers47 wrote: »

I understand the DJ factor cant have helped. But this should not be an excuse at this level.

He simply did not get it done. End of. The greats would never have lapsed under these circumstances regardless.

Please give an example? All the greats I can think of gave up bigger leads at some stage

Keano

First Up wrote: »

Well it is hardly in dispute that Rory is prone to mental lapses and has had a number of implosions when leading or close to the lead.

If you can think of anyone who might be able help him better than the guy carrying his bag and walking beside him, I'd say he would be glad to hear from you.

18th hole in the bunker, Willets caddy says clear as day to him you are the one playing the shot what do you see.

18th rough, Scott's caddy says to him if you like that shot, pick your target and go for it, we all know what Scott did.

The player at the end of the day is the boss, something you seem to forget.

kiers47

yipsnomore wrote: »

Please give an example? All the greats I can think of gave up bigger leads at some stage

I am not talking giving up leads im talking the playing partner playing badly being an excuse.
It is rubbish!

HighLine

Keano wrote: »

18th hole in the bunker, Willets caddy says clear as day to him you are the one playing the shot what do you see.

Slightly off topic but I was fairly surprised to hear that. Rich Beem thought it was great so maybe things like that are what the players want to hear. Suppose different strokes for different folks.

AGC

HighLine wrote: »

Slightly off topic but I was fairly surprised to hear that. Rich Beem thought it was great so maybe things like that are what the players want to hear. Suppose different strokes for different folks.

Every time I hear Willett interviewed he says 'we' played this shot 'we' held this putt. Never says I

Wombatman

HighLine wrote: »

Slightly off topic but I was fairly surprised to hear that. Rich Beem thought it was great so maybe things like that are what the players want to hear. Suppose different strokes for different folks.

Very surprised by it also. That is the last thing I would want to hear if I was asking a caddy, the one person who can advise you, for help on a shot.

Beem good on some stuff but a little too happy clappy at times.

fullstop

First Up wrote: »

Well it is hardly in dispute that Rory is prone to mental lapses and has had a number of implosions when leading or close to the lead.

If you can think of anyone who might be able help him better than the guy carrying his bag and walking beside him, I'd say he would be glad to hear from you.

Remember the time Steve Williams threw away The Open a few years back by letting Scott bogey the last 4 holes or whatever it was? Should have sacked him on the spot, he'll never be a good caddy.

prawnsambo

kiers47 wrote: »

I am not talking giving up leads im talking the playing partner playing badly being an excuse.
It is rubbish!

It's not though. I've seen it so many times. Remember Ernie Els three putting from two feet? His playing partners all played badly as well.

Speak Now

kiers47 wrote: »

I understand the DJ factor cant have helped. But this should not be an excuse at this level.

He simply did not get it done. End of. The greats would never have lapsed under these circumstances regardless.

DJ only fell apart on the back 9, he actually beat McIlroys score on the front 9. Maybe McIlroy dragged down DJ