Rory McIlroy - 4 Time Major Winner

Potential Underachiever

lawred2 wrote: »

you can't talk to a slice either

As a fine exponent of a big slice, I like the fact that it at least goes in the air and has some sort of distance on it, the duck hook on the other hand is just nasty!

Pogue eile

A lot of very noticeable absentee posters on here today :D

Bubbaclaus

Pogue eile wrote: »

A lot of very noticeable absentee posters on here today :D

The WiFi must be down.

Bubbaclaus

I see he is now tied with the likes of Ben Crenshaw, Ernie Els and Tom Kite now for total PGA Tour wins, one off the 20 wins required for the lifetime tour exemption.

rooney30

Pogue eile wrote: »

A lot of very noticeable absentee posters on here today :D

Sure is , I guess it’s difficult to spin a negative angle from a win , but by God there’s lads around here that would try

DuckSlice

rooney30 wrote: »

Sure is , I guess it’s difficult to spin a negative angle from a win , but by God there’s lads around here that would try

There is plenty he needs to work on, so its not all positive even though he did win. Delighted he won, but he wasn't even near his best IMO. Which is a negative and a positive at the same time if you get me?

Mantis Toboggan

Thought he hit the irons very well and showed lots of control in windy conditions and his putting was flawless. Will be interesting to see how he gets on at the PGA next week.

Concerned2

I'm not sure it was wise for Rory to try to change his natural driver shape from a draw to a fade. He has hit a draw off the tee since a child probably thousands of times , I don't believe after such a long time it will ever be that comfortable to change from a draw to a fade.

That's not to say Rory isn't extraordinarily talented, I'd say he same for any pro trying to change something so fundamental in their game. Just because some of the longer hitters are hitting a fade don't mean it should be the way Rory goes , he did after all get the course record of 61 in Quail Hollow with a draw.

Great to see him putt like that though , can't remember the last time he putted so well.

Ivefoundgod

Concerned2 wrote: »

I'm not sure it was wise for Rory to try to change his natural driver shape from a draw to a fade. He has hit a draw off the tee since a child probably thousands of times , I don't believe after such a long time it will ever be that comfortable to change from a draw to a fade.

That's not to say Rory isn't extraordinarily talented, I'd say he same for any pro trying to change something so fundamental in their game. Just because some of the longer hitters are hitting a fade don't mean it should be the way Rory goes , he did after all get the course record of 61 in Quail Hollow with a draw.

Great to see him putt like that though , can't remember the last time he putted so well.

The same is true of DJ though and he's successfully transitioned to a fade. Its not really about longer hitting is my understanding but that its more to do with missing in the right place. A bad hook is more punishing than a slice is the thinking as far as I know and as others have mentioned here. This article covers it although DJ isn't exactly revealing; https://golf.com/instruction/dustin-johnson-hits-fade-driver/

The Big Easy

Concerned2 wrote: »

I'm not sure it was wise for Rory to try to change his natural driver shape from a draw to a fade. He has hit a draw off the tee since a child probably thousands of times , I don't believe after such a long time it will ever be that comfortable to change from a draw to a fade.

That's not to say Rory isn't extraordinarily talented, I'd say he same for any pro trying to change something so fundamental in their game. Just because some of the longer hitters are hitting a fade don't mean it should be the way Rory goes , he did after all get the course record of 61 in Quail Hollow with a draw.

Great to see him putt like that though , can't remember the last time he putted so well.

It's adapt or die though! I agree driving was never his big issue, his greatest strength if anything and he just need to undo the extra speed chasing he was engaging in.

This win was far more down to better control with short irons and wedges and a big improvement with the flat stick, his two major weaknesses. If he maintains that progress, more majors and a swift return to number 1 is inevitable imo

Pete Cowen's main focus will be control with the wedges and short irons and you could definitely see a big improvement there already and did they say on the coverage he's working with Brad Faxon again on the putting?

prawnsambo

Concerned2 wrote: »

I'm not sure it was wise for Rory to try to change his natural driver shape from a draw to a fade. He has hit a draw off the tee since a child probably thousands of times , I don't believe after such a long time it will ever be that comfortable to change from a draw to a fade.

That's not to say Rory isn't extraordinarily talented, I'd say he same for any pro trying to change something so fundamental in their game. Just because some of the longer hitters are hitting a fade don't mean it should be the way Rory goes , he did after all get the course record of 61 in Quail Hollow with a draw.

Great to see him putt like that though , can't remember the last time he putted so well.

The issue that he mentioned is that modern drivers are so forgiving, it's almost impossible to get a controlled draw. It's easier to hit a fade with them although more a power fade than anything. I've heard the same said by pros here about the new breed of drivers.

monkeybutter

prawnsambo wrote: »

The issue that he mentioned is that modern drivers are so forgiving, it's almost impossible to get a controlled draw. It's easier to hit a fade with them although more a power fade than anything. I've heard the same said by pros here about the new breed of drivers.

it doesn't make much sense though does it, if the forgiveness was stopping say sidespin, it would indeed be hard to hit a draw and even harder to hit a hook, which he has no problem with on the 18th


i think they are better now at fading with low spin, whether it be through analysis and launch monitors or lower spinning balls, so the fade is going just as long as a draw these days but in the past it wasn't, all stuff they couldn't get on top of say 10 or 15 years ago


I do remember tiger saying he would sacrifice distance with a higher spin ball so that he could shape shots more easily


but a lot of whats said is paid marketing

fullstop

monkeybutter wrote: »

it doesn't make much sense though does it, if the forgiveness was stopping say sidespin, it would indeed be hard to hit a draw and even harder to hit a hook, which he has no problem with on the 18th

He didn’t hit the driver on the 18th. He hit 3-wood which he spoke about using to hit draws for the week.

Also, as others have said, you can still hit a hook, but it’s less easy to hit a controlled draw with modern drivers.

monkeybutter

ooops, youtube threw up a different clip, which is why he thought it was driver, so my bad





why can't you hit a draw with a modern driver then? but you can a fade

Ivefoundgod

I think you're missing the point slightly. No one is saying you can't hit a draw with modern drivers, the idea is that it is easier to be more consistent and accurate hitting a slight fade while also making it less of an issue when you do mi**** compared to a hook.

monkeybutter

Ivefoundgod wrote: »

I think you're missing the point slightly. No one is saying you can't hit a draw with modern drivers, the idea is that it is easier to be more consistent and accurate hitting a slight fade while also making it less of an issue when you do mi**** compared to a hook.

How can I miss the point when that is exactly what was said and what I was responding to


the point being made was that it was harder to hit a controlled draw with a modern driver


I know the release reason the better player tended to the fade and why some looked to the draw for distance

prawnsambo

monkeybutter wrote: »

How can I miss the point when that is exactly what was said and what I was responding to

the point being made was that it was harder to hit a controlled draw with a modern driver

I know the release reason the better player tended to the fade and why some looked to the draw for distance

Well maybe you should have added the word 'controlled' to your question. Because you just said this:

monkeybutter wrote:

why can't you hit a draw with a modern driver then? but you can a fade

monkeybutter

prawnsambo wrote: »

Well maybe you should have added the word 'controlled' to your question. Because you just said this:

it was very clear, i even went into more detail in the question



modern drivers are so forgiving its impossible to get a controlled draw

prawnsambo

monkeybutter wrote: »

it was very clear, i even went into more detail in the question

modern drivers are so forgiving its impossible to get a controlled draw

You seem to be reading your posts backwards or something. I actually quoted what you said. And in the earlier post you mistakenly took a 3 wood for a driver. And then just wrote the whole thing off as marketing speak. So I've no idea what you're referring to.

monkeybutter

prawnsambo wrote: »

The issue that he mentioned is that modern drivers are so forgiving, it's almost impossible to get a controlled draw. It's easier to hit a fade with them although more a power fade than anything. I've heard the same said by pros here about the new breed of drivers.

this is what you said, i think what you said is incorrect, it has nothing to do with the forgiveness of the modern driver, that is just marketing speak repeated

you seem to be confused

i wont be wasting any more time on it

OEP

monkeybutter wrote: »

this is what you said, i think what you said is incorrect, it has nothing to do with the forgiveness of the modern driver, that is just marketing speak repeated

you seem to be confused

i wont be wasting any more time on it

The modern driver is much more forgiving, Rory said as much.

Keano

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