Improvements that are needed in GAA

Pride Fighter

Stay civilised. I can see this thread getting potentially heated so lets call this a polite warning

washman3

Stoner wrote: »

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I have played, and watched just about every sport a lad can in our country but must confess that what we saw today looked like the most fun of any. Continuous action and comparetively few rules. Great game!
You'll be happy to know that Dublin, heavily favored, did win 20-14 +/-. However Meath was winning well into the second half...........so it was a good game. We only got in at half time because we were late. The most curious custom here.........if you have an extra ticket you give it to a member of the Garda. The game was sold out but everyone said ask the Garda. Which we did but because we were late and because it was a big game all of the police had given their tickets away. So we were leaving and decided to ask one more policeman. He gave us two tickets, midfield, next to the team! After the match we found him and thanked him again and got a picture with him. He will surely find his rightful place on our 'Wall of Fame'.
Mary wanted to kiss the captain of the Dublin team. He was sooo cute....
Hope all is well

Stoner, pity that those Americans did'nt attend the match in Limerick.!!
imagine the story they would tell about the pitch invasion after the final whistle.:P

BNMC

I'd like to see a rule whereby when a player is fouled he has to take the free himself.

Stoner

washman3 wrote: »

Stoner, pity that those Americans did'nt attend the match in Limerick.!!
imagine the story they would tell about the pitch invasion after the final whistle.:P

I thought I'd better leave the hurling for their return visit.

Hidalgo

BNMC wrote: »

I'd like to see a rule whereby when a player is fouled he has to take the free himself.

same as, esp in football. Like the mark in Aussie rules, it would 'force' all players to improve their kicking

To see a keeper coming up to take 45s isn't a great sign of the ability of the outfield players at the elite level.

Ban allowing a point from a handpass is another I'd like to see brought in

marco_polo

Hidalgo wrote: »

same as, esp in football. Like the mark in Aussie rules, it would 'force' all players to improve their kicking

To see a keeper coming up to take 45s isn't a great sign of the ability of the outfield players at the elite level.

Ban allowing a point from a handpass is another I'd like to see brought in

The purpose of awarding a free is to punish the opposition though, so its a bit different from the mark in that respect.

With such a rule you would effectivley be reducing (on average) the penalty for fouling which might end up being counter productive I feel.

The hand passed point I would love rid of though.

Red Crow

There are a few I'd like to see. Propper action in the first moments of a game. For example the hit on Iarla Tannian in the replay last year was a disgrace and should of been a straight red. Even if the referee had seen it then it probably wouldn't of been a yellow. It's very rare I've seen decisive action early on.

I'd like to see the umpires given more influence whereby they can communicate or highlight a point to the referee. The umpire could tell his side of the story and the referee could act on that. Instead of this rubbish where they are afraid to make the big call.

Also the issue of unfit referees throwing in the sliotar becuase a fowl has been committed and the referee is so far behind the game they don't know for which team so they just throw the sliotar back in.

Padkir

Eli Manning wrote: »

Also the issue of unfit referees throwing in the sliotar becuase a fowl has been committed and the referee is so far behind the game they don't know for which team so they just throw the sliotar back in.

There should be two refs in hurling, one in each half. The sliotar takes a few seconds to travel the length of the pitch, how is a ref meant to get there?

Red Crow

Padkir wrote: »

There should be two refs in hurling, one in each half. The sliotar takes a few seconds to travel the length of the pitch, how is a ref meant to get there?

Obviosuly it's not easy but I'm talking about nearly being at the other end of the field.

Al_Coholic

BNMC wrote: »

I'd like to see a rule whereby when a player is fouled he has to take the free himself.

they had that years ago when when free kicks taken from the hand was introduced...also had a rule at a free kick if you bounced a solo-ed the ball before the free kick was taken the ref threw the ball up...obviously that didnt work.

i said it yesterday in a different thread that added on time is a sham in games...always 2 minutes added on at the end of a game even though there are so many stoppages in the 2nd half..especially with subs coming on.

Syferus

Hidalgo wrote: »

same as, esp in football. Like the mark in Aussie rules, it would 'force' all players to improve their kicking

To see a keeper coming up to take 45s isn't a great sign of the ability of the outfield players at the elite level.

Ban allowing a point from a handpass is another I'd like to see brought in

Way to punish teams for working the ball into the danger zone. Goal or bust? No friggin' thanks.

And fouled players having to take frees? Dear lord, do people watch the same sport filled with cynical fouling as I do? That suggestion is so far off-base it's hard to find where to start.

Every single time a bad free-taker is in a half risky spot he'll be fouled. All you would be doing is empowering dirty play and making the sport more cynical.

InchicoreDude wrote: »

So you want a senior connacht hurling championship with Galway in it? Or are you just referring to underage???

I have often wondered why a connacht "B" championship without Galway never materialised.

They restarted the Connacht Intermediate Hurling Championship this year. Don't really know why it's called Intermediate because it's not like there's a senior version and the teams competing in it are the senior teams of the counties involved.

Only Mayo and Roscommon competed this year with the mighty Ros putting Mayo in their place before some manner of senior football exhibition game between the counties at McHale last month. Didn't stick around for that one.

Al_Coholic wrote: »

they had that years ago when when free kicks taken from the hand was introduced...also had a rule at a free kick if you bounced a solo-ed the ball before the free kick was taken the ref threw the ball up...obviously that didnt work.

i said it yesterday in a different thread that added on time is a sham in games...always 2 minutes added on at the end of a game even though there are so many stoppages in the 2nd half..especially with subs coming on.

I was at a county championship game last year where a grand total of 15 minutes was added to the game even though there were few stoppages. The referee seemed to believe club football games were 70 minute matches. Be careful what you wish for.

Dirty Dingus McGee

Hidalgo wrote: »

same as, esp in football. Like the mark in Aussie rules, it would 'force' all players to improve their kicking

To see a keeper coming up to take 45s isn't a great sign of the ability of the outfield players at the elite level.

Ban allowing a point from a handpass is another I'd like to see brought in

Or maybe it is indication of how good the goalkeeper is.

Kicking the ball from the ground is no longer a required skill for an outfield player so there isnt a huge amount of point in them spending hours of practicing something they are required to do maybe 3 or 4 times during a game.Goalies practice kicking from the ground constantly so not as much extra effort would be expended by them kicking 45s.

Then handpassed point is needed if a player is bottled up and has noother way of getting a score.Its frustrating whgen players do it when they are clean through on goals though.

keeponhurling

Eli Manning wrote: »

There are a few I'd like to see. Propper action in the first moments of a game. For example the hit on Iarla Tannian in the replay last year was a disgrace and should of been a straight red. Even if the referee had seen it then it probably wouldn't of been a yellow. It's very rare I've seen decisive action early on.
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Absolutely right, a red card is a red card. The Tadgh Kennelly incident is one obvious example.

A couple of years ago in an All-Ireland club semi-final, a Portlaiise lad was sent off in the first minute for what was essentially an assault. Of course all we heard was that the ref ruined the game, not that the player ruined his side's hopes.

Similarly towards the end of the match, when the result is already decided, refs can decide not to send players off as "there's no advantage to the opposition".
Ref later admitted as much after the Clare-Offaly saga in 1998, but refs often do it.

A strong line needs to be taken against violence.

eire 2012

Eli Manning wrote: »

There are a few I'd like to see. Propper action in the first moments of a game. For example the hit on Iarla Tannian in the replay last year was a disgrace and should of been a straight red. Even if the referee had seen it then it probably wouldn't of been a yellow. It's very rare I've seen decisive action .

The ball was there I'm afraid it's just unlucky he got a belt on the ankle.Im fairly sure there was no ball on the back of Richie powers head or on tj reids kneecap either for that matter so have a look closer to home for the red card incidents.

Flukey

Having the fouled player take the free might be a bit difficult if he's been stretchered off. Aside from that, there is no logic in having the fouled player take the free anyway. As mentioned, it was done originally when the free from the hand was first introduced. Common sense soon prevailed though. The line ball from the hand should be better policed, in terms of it being take from the correct spot and having the ball have to be kicked as the player reaches the line, not several yards after he's crossed it onto the pitch.

Players taking a quick free and deliberately kicking it at an opponent and then claiming the extra 10 yards because the opponent was too close when the free was taken should also be clamped down upon. It is another cynical act.

I'd like to see a rule for GAA sports, and indeed soccer and rugby, whereby no substitutes would be allowed after 5 minutes before the end of normal time, with the obvious exception of genuine injuries. So once you hit 65 minutes, that is it: no more subs. This mallarkey of bringing on subs several minutes into injury time is stupid, and purely a cynical waste of time. For many the first bit of physical action they have is when their ear starts working as it detects the final whistle.

Red Crow

eire 2012 wrote: »

The ball was there I'm afraid it's just unlucky he got a belt on the ankle.Im fairly sure there was no ball on the back of Richie powers head or on tj reids kneecap either for that matter so have a look closer to home for the red card incidents.

Actually if you look at it he went straight for his ankles but to you it was just a coincidence that the guy that got taken out was man of the match in the first game and was cleaning out the KK midfield.

I'm not talking about red card incidents per say, I'm talking about taking action early on for serious foul play. It's a common thing in the GAA to allow the early hit and it shouldn't be allowed.

keane2097

Flukey, your excellent posts on pretty much every other issue makes your disingenuous posts on Croke Park seem all the more inane. You are probably the only person I know of who still tries to avoid the issue by pretending Croke Park isn't Dublin's home venue from Dublin or from elsewhere. There are better arguments you could be making, that one makes you look biased to the point of not being worth listening to on the issue.

harpsman

Syferus wrote: »

Way to punish teams for working the ball into the danger zone. Goal or bust? No friggin' thanks.




Bit of a silly point,no pun intended; sure why not let them hand pass it into net or throw it in for that matter.

Hidalgo

Syferus wrote: »

Way to punish teams for working the ball into the danger zone. Goal or bust? No friggin' thanks.

And fouled players having to take frees? Dear lord, do people watch the same sport filled with cynical fouling as I do? That suggestion is so far off-base it's hard to find where to start.

Every single time a bad free-taker is in a half risky spot he'll be fouled. All you would be doing is empowering dirty play and making the sport more cynical.




They restarted the Connacht Intermediate Hurling Championship this year. Don't really know why it's called Intermediate because it's not like there's a senior version and the teams competing in it are the senior teams of the counties involved.

Only Mayo and Roscommon competed this year with the mighty Ros putting Mayo in their place before some manner of senior football exhibition game between the counties at McHale last month. Didn't stick around for that one.




I was at a county championship game last year where a grand total of 15 minutes was added to the game even though there were few stoppages. The referee seemed to believe club football games were 70 minute matches. Be careful what you wish for.

Encourage kicking, it is football after all, not handball. Very little skill involved in fisting a ball over the bar.

The banned handpassing a goal in hurling, why not ban a handpassed point in football

Whatever about club level, at intercounty surely every player should be capable of kicking the ball relatively accurately, this is the elite level after all.

ProudDUB

Flukey wrote: »

I'd like to see a rule for GAA sports, and indeed soccer and rugby, whereby no substitutes would be allowed after 5 minutes before the end of normal time, with the obvious exception of genuine injuries. So once you hit 65 minutes, that is it: no more subs. This mallarkey of bringing on subs several minutes into injury time is stupid, and purely a cynical waste of time. For many the first bit of physical action they have is when their ear starts working as it detects the final whistle.

I'd agree with all of that. However, with the degree of cuteness and cynicism going on these days, what's to stop a player from going down screaming hysterically about something serious like his neck or back, to make it look like he is seriously injured, when he is in fact perfectly fine. Then the manager gets to make a change, or slow the game down, or eat up precious minutes or whatever, but the ref is none the wiser. I'd be perfectly happy with a no subs at all in the last 5 minutes rule.

Hidalgo

The advantage rule is oddly used by refs at times.
Time and time again, the ref waves an outstretched hand allowing advantage to a player being fouled when it would be a better advantage to win the free.
In the hurling Sat evening, a Waterford player received advantage even though he was on his knees and surrounded by 3 KK players, what advantage is there in that?
Happens in every game in both codes.

A new rule being put in place in Ladies football is ref cam, ref wears a small camera on his her/her head. One advantage of this is viewers will get to see on TV exactly what the ref sees. We get multiple views on TV replays but often a ref is trying to spot something through a crowd of players. It'll be interesting to see it through the refs 'eyes'.

keane2097

Hidalgo wrote: »

The advantage rule is oddly used by refs at times.
Time and time again, the ref waves an outstretched hand allowing advantage to a player being fouled when it would be a better advantage to win the free.
In the hurling Sat evening, a Waterford player received advantage even though he was on his knees and surrounded by 3 KK players, what advantage is there in that?
Happens in every game in both codes.

A new rule being put in place in Ladies football is ref cam, ref wears a small camera on his her/her head. One advantage of this is viewers will get to see on TV exactly what the ref sees. We get multiple views on TV replays but often a ref is trying to spot something through a crowd of players. It'll be interesting to see it through the refs 'eyes'.

Advantage is confused for "can keep going" by refs. They badly need to be trained on that front.

GBXI

Hidalgo wrote: »

The advantage rule is oddly used by refs at times.
Time and time again, the ref waves an outstretched hand allowing advantage to a player being fouled when it would be a better advantage to win the free.
In the hurling Sat evening, a Waterford player received advantage even though he was on his knees and surrounded by 3 KK players, what advantage is there in that?
Happens in every game in both codes.

A new rule being put in place in Ladies football is ref cam, ref wears a small camera on his her/her head. One advantage of this is viewers will get to see on TV exactly what the ref sees. We get multiple views on TV replays but often a ref is trying to spot something through a crowd of players. It'll be interesting to see it through the refs 'eyes'.

The answer to your advantage issue is not a change of rules but the standard of refs the GAA produce. It's about having a ref who knows how the game should be played and he can then know when to either let play continue or to call the free.

Dirty Dingus McGee

Hidalgo wrote: »

Encourage kicking, it is football after all, not handball. Very little skill involved in fisting a ball over the bar.

The banned handpassing a goal in hurling, why not ban a handpassed point in football

Whatever about club level, at intercounty surely every player should be capable of kicking the ball relatively accurately, this is the elite level after all.

Its got absolutely nothing to do with a a lack of skill. I dont like players opting for a fisted point if a goal is on however in some cicumstances a player can be bottled up and has no other option but fist the ball over the bar.Not allowing fisted points would punish attacking teams.

Ciaran Kilkenny scored a fisted point against Kildare a few weks ago from about 20 yards because it was the best option available to get a score, he didnt decide to fist the ball over the bar bcasue he lacked skill which he certainly doesnt.

sid waddell

Flukey wrote: »

Croke Park is in Dublin, but it is not Dublin's home ground. All counties have many venues in their counties, but only one is the county ground. In Dublin's case that is Parnell Park. Croke Park is no more Dublin's home ground than Cappawhite's ground is Tipperary's home ground or Confey is Kildare's home grounds. In fact Croke Park is no more Dublin's home ground than Thurles is Dublin's home ground or Casement Park is Dublin's home ground. There are about 2500 clubs in Ireland and that many and more pitches, but of them all, Parnell Park is the only one that is Dublin's home ground. Fact, not fantasy.

What's Cork's home ground?

Flukey

keane2097 wrote: »

Flukey, your excellent posts on pretty much every other issue makes your disingenuous posts on Croke Park seem all the more inane. You are probably the only person I know of who still tries to avoid the issue by pretending Croke Park isn't Dublin's home venue from Dublin or from elsewhere. There are better arguments you could be making, that one makes you look biased to the point of not being worth listening to on the issue.

Sorry, but whether people believe it or not, the fact remains that Croke Park is not Dublin's home ground and anyone that says it is, is wrong. That is all I ever say on that specific point. I am not pretending anything. We can argue about the advantages of Dublin playing there, though evidence indicates there is little or none, but when someone starts that debate by saying that Dublin's home ground is Croke Park, they are wrong and should be corrected. It is no more Dublin's home ground than the Melbourne Cricket Ground or the San Siro or Aintree or any sports venue you care to mention in the world, bar Parnell Park in Donnycarney.

Year in, year out the "Dublin have an advantage playing at Croke Park" debate comes up and I've often addressed its various components. It is a fair enough debate to have. Often people say it, and then give nothing to back it up. Myself and others go through the points they've made over and over, which clearly points to it being little or no advantage, and usually no one is able to back up their argument or take it any further when given the statistics. Whenever the debate comes up I'll address those arguments and if during the debate anyone says Croke Park is Dublin's home ground, I will correct them. If my crime is giving people correct information and clearing up a common misconception, then anyone giving any correct information in this forum or anywhere else on Boards.ie is as guilty as I am. If 99.99% of people believe something to be true, that does not make it true. As part of the 0.01% that know the truth, I will let the 99.99% know and will make no apologies for doing so. You may say I am disingenuous, but there is nothing disingenuous in stating the truth.

sid waddell

What's Cork's home ground, seeing as they split their home matches between Pairc Ui Chaoimh and Pairc Ui Rinn?

Remember, you said that every team only has one home ground.

So, if, for the sake of argument, Pairc Ui Chaoimh is Cork's home ground, you're trying to tell us Pairc Ui Rinn is as much their home ground as Aintree?

keane2097

Flukey wrote: »

Sorry, but whether people believe it or not, the fact remains that Croke Park is not Dublin's home ground and anyone that says it is, is wrong. That is all I ever say on that specific point. I am not pretending anything. We can argue about the advantages of Dublin playing there, though evidence indicates there is little or none, but when someone starts that debate by saying that Dublin's home ground is Croke Park, they are wrong and should be corrected. It is no more Dublin's home ground than the Melbourne Cricket Ground or the San Siro or Aintree or any sports venue you care to mention in the world, bar Parnell Park in Donnycarney.

Year in, year out the "Dublin have an advantage playing at Croke Park" debate comes up and I've often addressed its various components. It is a fair enough debate to have. Often people say it, and then give nothing to back it up. Myself and others go through the points they've made over and over, which clearly points to it being little or no advantage, and usually no one is able to back up their argument or take it any further when given the statistics. Whenever the debate comes up I'll address those arguments and if during the debate anyone says Croke Park is Dublin's home ground, I will correct them. If my crime is giving people correct information and clearing up a common misconception, then anyone giving any correct information in this forum or anywhere else on Boards.ie is as guilty as I am. If 99.99% of people believe something to be true, that does not make it true. As part of the 0.01% that know the truth, I will let the 99.99% know and will make no apologies for doing so. You may say I am disingenuous, but there is nothing disingenuous in stating the truth.

It is completely and utterly disingenuous to maintain that Parnell Park is the Dublin footballer's home pitch, simply because it's written down in some obsolete ledger somewhere.

I'm sure you're already aware of the distinction between de jure and de facto, so I won't explain it to you. Maintaining that Parnell Park is the home ground when they have not played a match there in years simply because of an exercise in optics by the Leinster Council or whoever is responsible for making these things official is plain and simple intellectual dishonesty.

sid waddell wrote: »

What's Cork's home ground, seeing as they split their home matches between Pairc Ui Chaoimh and Pairc Ui Rinn?

Remember, you said that every team only has one home ground.

So, if, for the sake of argument, Pairc Ui Chaoimh is Cork's home ground, you're trying to tell us Pairc Ui Rinn is as much their home ground as Aintree?

It's also fairly exposed by this obvious point as well.

Syferus

Semantics are something that should be exclusively saved for politicians and CEOs.

Dublin get to play home games almost exclusively, simple. The degree to which it helps or hinders the Dubs is up for debate and, yes, Dublin's huge crowds helps bankroll the GAA in less populous areas of the country. Is it unfair in the sense other counties don't get the same comforts? Hell yes.

To call it a nessecary evil is too much but to call it nessecary is not.

Flukey

What I am telling you Sid is that Parnell Park is Dublin's home ground, not Croke Park. Now, we have that point cleared up, so can we move on and get the thread back on track? Freddiek brought if off track and others have continued with it, but Croke Park is not Dublin's home ground. It can't be made any clearer than that. Hopefully no one else will mention the issue in the thread again. I won't bring it up, though I will reserve the right to correct anyone that says Croke Park is Dublin's home ground subsequent to this. It will be that person that will be prolonging the issue, not me. So now that everyone knows the fact that Parnell Park is Dublin's home ground, not Croke Park, there is absolutely nothing more to be said about it, so can we please move on? So, getting back to where we were before Freddiek rudely interrupted, what improvements are needed in the GAA?

keane2097

Flukey wrote: »

What I am telling you Sid is that Parnell Park is Dublin's home ground, not Croke Park. Now, we have that point cleared up, so can we move on and get the thread back on track? Freddiek brought if off track and others have continued with it, but Croke Park is not Dublin's home ground. It can't be made any clearer than that. Hopefully no one else will mention the issue in the thread again. I won't bring it up, though I will reserve the right to correct anyone that says Croke Park is Dublin's home ground subsequent to this. It will be that person that will be prolonging the issue, not me. So now that everyone knows the fact that Parnell Park is Dublin's home ground, not Croke Park, there is absolutely nothing more to be said about it, so can we please move on? So, getting back to where we were before Freddiek rudely interrupted, what improvements are needed in the GAA?

One improvement would be acknowledging the fact that Croke Park is Dublin's home ground and has been for years so we no longer have to listen to this asinine garbage.

Concannon7

A proper advantage rule in hurling.

Injury time added accordingly. Sometimes it seems like they pick a random number from there head when it comes to injury time.

Galway hurling teams of all ages including clubs to be included in Leinster competitions. Galway hurlers not playing any games at under age level until the s/f stage makes no sense.

Forgetting geographical boundaries and dividing what are currently known as provencial championships into four separate championships of eight teams.

keane2097

Galway_mad_bhoy wrote: »

A proper advantage rule in hurling.

Injury time added accordingly. Sometimes it seems like they pick a random number from there head when it comes to injury time.

Galway hurling teams of all ages including clubs to be included in Leinster competitions. Galway hurlers not playing any games at under age level until the s/f stag

Motion 24 provides for a public time clock to be introduced in Croke Park and in all Grounds used for Provincial and All-Ireland Series Senior Football Championship games. The clock will be stopped during the game during certain stoppages of play, and the end of the game shall be signalled by a hooter.

From 1st of January I believe.

emmetfahy

It was never intended that you could score from your own half as now. Make the sliotar heavier.

(incidently the same could go for most other sports)

gucci

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

Kicking the ball from the ground is no longer a required skill for an outfield player so there isnt a huge amount of point in them spending hours of practicing something they are required to do maybe 3 or 4 times during a game.Goalies practice kicking from the ground constantly so not as much extra effort would be expended by them kicking 45s.

Surely if you were good enough at it (whether goal keeper or wherever) you would get more than 3 or 4 scoring opportunities a game to do it!! Would probably be worth practicing!!

Flukey wrote: »

Having the fouled player take the free might be a bit difficult if he's been stretchered off. Aside from that, there is no logic in having the fouled player take the free anyway. As mentioned, it was done originally when the free from the hand was first introduced. Common sense soon prevailed though.

In Aus Rules, if a player is not fit to take the mark, its the next closest player to the incident (in the view of the umpire...therefore open to debate!!)
I wouldnt be in support of the fouled player to take the free enforcement.

InchicoreDude

They restarted the Connacht Intermediate Hurling Championship this year. Don't really know why it's called Intermediate because it's not like there's a senior version and the teams competing in it are the senior teams of the counties involved.

Only Mayo and Roscommon competed this year with the mighty Ros putting Mayo in their place before some manner of senior football exhibition game between the counties at McHale last month. Didn't stick around for that one.

Aah ok cool, missed that competition. Definitely worth doing. Be nice to have it as a curtain raiser to a football match in Connacht though.

Poor_old_gill

Flukey wrote: »

What I am telling you Sid is that Parnell Park is Dublin's home ground, not Croke Park. Now, we have that point cleared up, so can we move on and get the thread back on track? Freddiek brought if off track and others have continued with it, but Croke Park is not Dublin's home ground. It can't be made any clearer than that. Hopefully no one else will mention the issue in the thread again. I won't bring it up, though I will reserve the right to correct anyone that says Croke Park is Dublin's home ground subsequent to this. It will be that person that will be prolonging the issue, not me. So now that everyone knows the fact that Parnell Park is Dublin's home ground, not Croke Park, there is absolutely nothing more to be said about it, so can we please move on? So, getting back to where we were before Freddiek rudely interrupted, what improvements are needed in the GAA?

I don't know why you are maintaining such a childish approach to the debate.
You're either on the wind-up or there is something very wrong with you.
I think the former but I'm not 100% sure

Flukey

It should be left open as to who takes a free. No rule on the fouled player or the next closest or anything like that. You've different types of frees, like ones within scoring range to frees clearing out of defence. Certain players may be better equipped to take a free of different kinds. The fouled player may be better positioned ahead of the ball or behind than being the one taking it.

I would not favour the scrapping of the provincial championships, despite the imbalances. Days like the provincial Hurling finals over the last two Sundays are perfect examples as to why to keep them. The Kerrys, Dublins, Kilkennys etc. of this world may not take as much value out of some provincial titles over counties that win them occasionally, but they are still important. Even for counties that do win them regularly you have to remember that there are lads winning their first provincial title on those teams on any given day. Kerry may have over 70 Munster titles, but they still have players picking up their first ones and it means a lot to those individuals. Even redrawing the boundaries a little, would take something away. Leave them as they are, and give counties something to aspire to in the traditional way.

No matter what way you redraw boundaries or organise the championship, come September only one county can take Sam away and only one county can take Liam away, and it will be one of the strong counties. No weaker county will ever win the championship no matter what way it is organised, but a weaker county of today could be a stronger county in a few years and win an All-Ireland then. That has happened. So it is down to the counties themselves to improve their standards and win things that way, not a new version of our competitions.

sid waddell

Flukey wrote: »

What I am telling you Sid is that Parnell Park is Dublin's home ground, not Croke Park. Now, we have that point cleared up, so can we move on and get the thread back on track? Freddiek brought if off track and others have continued with it, but Croke Park is not Dublin's home ground. It can't be made any clearer than that. Hopefully no one else will mention the issue in the thread again. I won't bring it up, though I will reserve the right to correct anyone that says Croke Park is Dublin's home ground subsequent to this. It will be that person that will be prolonging the issue, not me. So now that everyone knows the fact that Parnell Park is Dublin's home ground, not Croke Park, there is absolutely nothing more to be said about it, so can we please move on? So, getting back to where we were before Freddiek rudely interrupted, what improvements are needed in the GAA?

It doesn't matter what the Dublin County Board say. You can fairly argue that Parnell Park is the main county ground, in that it hosts the latter stages of the club championships, but it is clearly not the main home venue of the county teams these days. A team's main home ground is where it plays its home matches, as long as it is in the county. Dublin footballers and hurlers have played all their home games for the last three years (bar a couple of league matches the hurlers played in Parnell) in Croke Park.

The notion that there is only one home ground for each county team is plainly a nonsense. Of course Parnell Park is a home ground for Dublin, but these days it effectively fulfils the role that Dungannon plays for Tyrone, Fraher Field for Waterford, Ballina for Mayo, that of a secondary home venue.

Croke Park is the main home ground for inter-county action for Dublin, simply because that's where they play the vast majority of games these days, and of course it always fulfilled that role until 1995 anyway, before league matches moved to Parnell Park. Dublin footballers have also never had a home championship match at Parnell Park (well, OK, London in 2004, so one).

Syferus

InchicoreDude wrote: »

Aah ok cool, missed that competition. Definitely worth doing. Be nice to have it as a curtain raiser to a football match in Connacht though.

It was! Think about what 'exhibition' game was on in McHale between Roscommon and Mayo in June

Flukey

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

I don't know why you are maintaining such a childless approach to the debate.
You're either on the wind-up or there is something very wrong with you.
I think the former but I'm not 100% sure

First of all, I am not childless. I have a lovely little boy. When he is older, I will bring him to Croke Park to see the Dubs play. If we get any home games, I'll bring him to Parnell Park. Now, I know you meant childish, but it is not childish or a wind-up to state a fact. That Croke Park is not Dublin's home ground is not a matter for debate. Whether playing there has any advantages for Dublin may well be, though the statistics would show otherwise. Now, can we please drop this and get back on topic.

Syferus

Flukey wrote: »

First of all, I am not childless. I have a lovely little boy. When he is older, I will bring him to Croke Park to see the Dubs play. If we get any home games, I'll bring him to Parnell Park. Now, I know you meant childish, but it is not childish or a wind-up to state a fact. That Croke Park is not Dublin's home ground is not a matter for debate. Whether playing there has any advantages for Dublin may well be, though the statistics would show otherwise. Now, can we please drop this and get back on topic.

You seem to be convinced everyone doesn't already know Parnell is the 'official' home of Dublin GAA. Very few don't know that, and certainly everyone in this thread did before you typed a single word on the topic.

To say you're completely avoiding the point isn't an understatement.

klairondavis

So we can conclude from this thread that Croke Park is Dublin's de facto home ground.

Duckworth_Luas

klairondavis wrote: »

So we can conclude from this thread that Croke Park is Dublin's de facto home ground.

De only facto is dat Parnell Park is da home of da Dubs!

derealbadger

Having to buy a ticket for croke park for a baby 6 months old is crazy and not the same in any other sport

Dirty Dingus McGee

gucci wrote: »

Surely if you were good enough at it (whether goal keeper or wherever) you would get more than 3 or 4 scoring opportunities a game to do it!! Would probably be worth practicing!!

In most games each team gets 3 or 4 45's that is all.Other frees can be kicked from the hand so it isn't necessary to practice kicking from the ground to take these especially when kicking from the ground isn't a required skill in Gaelic Football except for the goalie.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

This shíte of players not allowing other players take a quick free inside their own half (or anywhere for that matter) is as bad as the cynical fouling. 10 yards, when inside your own half, is of little relevance. Any player that prevents a free being taken, whether by holding onto the ball, standing in the way, running across the free kick taker, etc, should be booked and the free moved 10 yards further up. Would put a hasty stop to all that shíte. GAA could learn a lot from other sports (likewise other sports could learn a lot from GAA).

On a similar note, and this irks me because it's prevalent in all sports, why can't the referee take note of the players number when booking a player, and just show him the yellow card and get it done with. Then at the end of the game he can either ask the player then for his name or check the match programme. We could even introduce a rule where all players booked during the game must report to the ref at the half-time or full-time whistle or else he gets a second yellow. A good 30 seconds is wasted when a referee has to stop the play, call the player over, take note of his number and name, and then show him the card. Why can't he, as he is running, whip out the notebook, take note of the players number and brandish the card. 5 seconds tops, and no break in the momentum.
Obviously for black and red cards the taking of names is understandable.

InchicoreDude

Syferus wrote: »

It was! Think about what 'exhibition' game was on in McHale between Roscommon and Mayo in June

Aah very good, dint realise that it was on that day.

At least that shows some attempt at improving hurling in the Mayo . Roscommon

keane2097

THFC wrote: »

This shíte of players not allowing other players take a quick free inside their own half (or anywhere for that matter) is as bad as the cynical fouling. 10 yards, when inside your own half, is of little relevance. Any player that prevents a free being taken, whether by holding onto the ball, standing in the way, running across the free kick taker, etc, should be booked and the free moved 10 yards further up. Would put a hasty stop to all that shíte. GAA could learn a lot from other sports (likewise other sports could learn a lot from GAA).

They actually had an increased punishment for this on the table at congress, moving frees up 30 yards for dissent and slowing the free. Unfortunately they voted on it immediately after the black card. The black card having needed impassioned speeches to get through, they did literally no talking about the need for this before voting, and I think as much as a reaction to having been swayed to vote for the black card as anything counties voted no on this one.

Hopefully it will be revisited soon, it would have been more important than the black card IMO.

THFC wrote: »

On a similar note, and this irks me because it's prevalent in all sports, why can't the referee take note of the players number when booking a player, and just show him the yellow card and get it done with. Then at the end of the game he can either ask the player then for his name or check the match programme. We could even introduce a rule where all players booked during the game must report to the ref at the half-time or full-time whistle or else he gets a second yellow. A good 30 seconds is wasted when a referee has to stop the play, call the player over, take note of his number and name, and then show him the card. Why can't he, as he is running, whip out the notebook, take note of the players number and brandish the card. 5 seconds tops, and no break in the momentum.
Obviously for black and red cards the taking of names is understandable.

Cool idea having players booked on the fly and having to report to the ref. Definitely a problem with teams losing momentum at the moment.

InchicoreDude

derealbadger wrote: »

Having to buy a ticket for croke park for a baby 6 months old is crazy and not the same in any other sport

Is this really not the same in other sports?

I remember a few years ago when Tyrone were in the AI, a family with a young baby went to a lot of media outlets about how they shouldnt have to pay for a ticket for a young baby.

A croke park guy came on the radio to argue his case. His point was Croke Park is insured to hold 82,300 people and they were not going to break the law. I would imagine the same is the case with the Aviva too??? Or Thomond Park???

This is one thing I would not change about the GAA.