The Anglo Irish Tapes

TheFOB

Curly Judge wrote: »

Colm McCarthy made a very good point on Today@PK.
He said that this was the most disastrous financial calamity to ever befall our country and that it should be subjected to the most rigorous form of enquiry.
To do this he suggested re-running the "Abbeylara Referendum" with a view to getting it passed this time and so arming our politicians with the means for a thorough shake out.
So...sack Shatter and put in someone who can get it through the next time?
Or... are the courts a better option?

**** No. I voted no to that referendum and I'll vote no again. That nasty piece of legislation would have given our corrupt TD's powers to be judge and jury over anyone. The courts is the appropriate forum, let a panel of 12 people decide their fate.

Gambas

OU812 wrote: »

He's my elected representative & my voice in the Dáil. It's the most I can personally do. Maybe if enough people did something. There might be an acceptable outcome.

Sorry, I shouldn't have said it like that. You are correct that contacting our public reps in cases like this is the correct course of action, but the system breaks down because of the poor quality of public representative that we the electorate elect.

conorhal

hfallada wrote: »

What will spending them to prison do? Nothing but cost the tax payer €65,000 a year. For a lot of these people being isolated from friends and broke is far worse than a prison cell.

Take Berne Madoff the man who stole $50 billion from people in a pyramid scheme. His wife wasnt sent to prison but lives in their $10 million dollar apartment but most live on $100 a week and has to ride the subway.

For wealthy people losing your friends and being hatred by everyone around is a worse punishment of prison sentence

Not here it would seem:

Remember the backslapping of the insider elite at Drico's London testemonial?

http://bigginsblog.wordpress.com/2013/03/20/most-vilified-banker-in-ireland-still-getting-vip-treatment/

"Sean FitzPatrick, who faces a minimum of 12 full criminal charges related to the collapse of the Anglo Irish bank, was quite relaxed and very happy to be with other VIP guests such as Bono, Niall Horan (“One Direction” choir) and Prince William of England on Monday.
Dressed in his black suit and black tie, the man that one of the most present vilified characters in Irish history (well, its a toss up between him and Bertie Ahern), had no problem enjoying himself that the €680 ticket price night of entertainment. Along with Dermot Desmond and Denis O’Brien (another friend of Fitz’s) and other VIPs on the night, a good evening and much laughter was reported to be had by all."


That absolutely sickened me, I'm sure that in Ireland Madoff would not only still be a free man (5 years in we'd still be waiting for a tribunal to comence to examine charges against him) but he'd probably still be playing golf with his mates in FF.

Gambas

TheFOB wrote: »

**** No. I voted no to that referendum and I'll vote no again. That nasty piece of legislation would have given our corrupt TD's powers to be judge and jury over anyone. The courts is the appropriate forum, let a panel of 12 people decide their fate.

How do you propose getting this in front of a judge and jury? On what grounds?

Curly Judge

Curly Judge wrote: »

Colm McCarthy made a very good point on Today@PK.
He said that this was the most disastrous financial calamity to ever befall our country and that it should be subjected to the most rigorous form of enquiry.
To do this he suggested re-running the "Abbeylara Referendum" with a view to getting it passed this time and so arming our politicians with the means for a thorough shake out.
So...sack Shatter and put in someone who can get it through the next time?
Or... are the courts a better option?

The Gardai should just have done their jobs

DeVore

Does anyone think that this is very worrying because it will almost certainly give them grounds to avoid prosecution on the grounds of the trial being prejudiced....

Lord Trollington

I would imagine the 2 boyos in question are happy enough with the leaks.

Why 5 years later after everything that has gone on are the tapes only being leaked now.

They could argue after the leak that they have no hope of a fair trial, and they'd probably be right.

Boombastic

Lord Trollington wrote: »

I would imagine the 2 boyos in question are happy enough with the leaks.

Why 5 years later after everything that has gone on are the tapes only being leaked now.

They could argue after the leak that they have no hope of a fair trial, and they'd probably be right.

I think we need to know who and why released these tapes now. There could be very sinister motives behind this..

wes

This certainly needs to be investigated, and if found guilty I hope they throw the book at them.

@DeVore, you raise a fair point, and if that would happen, it would be really sad, as there is very much a case to answer imho.

Curly Judge

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

It was standard practice in the bank for all external calls to be recorded, as happens in most large banking institutions.

Someone obviously passed them on to the Independent, we may never find out who - but in anycase it was in the public interest to pass these along.

The question I would like answered is as to whether these tapes have been analysed by the Gardai, and if not then why not? If they have been, then why is the current investigation going so slowly? The tapes reveal a blatant conspiracy to defraud the state.

An excellent question!
Our boys in blue get it hard at the best of times to find their arse with their hands, so I would not be surprised if they find themselves completely out of their depth here.
Whether that is down to political interference, incompetence or corruption is a moot point.
In the UK there have been several very expensive and lengthy trials for fraud which have collapsed because it proved impossible for the jury to follow the labyrinthian twists and turns of a clever fraudster.
Our choices seem to me to be an Oireachtas enquiry or - my preferred option - a trial before a tribunal of judges from the Special Criminal Court with someone like Judge Peter Kelly in the chair.

TheFOB

Boombastic wrote: »

I think we need to know who and why released these tapes now. There could be very sinister motives behind this..

The tapes were in the State's possession for the past 5 years (the State owns Anglo). If they havn't brought a case before now, none will be forthcoming. It is only right to release them to the public.

Lord Trollington

Finding out who leaked these tapes is a must before anything else happens.

Wabbit Ears

As much as I'd like to see these folks hung drawn and quartered in the town square the simple fact is that evidence has to be admissable in court. These tapes will do no more then tell everybody what we already know but will never be considerable as 'evidence'

Curly Judge

Is this the first time Alan Dukes has heard these tapes and... if so...why?

dd972

Funny how Irish Emigrants are constantly portrayed as suffering in some non-Irish foreign hell, even when they just pop over to our former parent country next door.

Listening to that tape explains why a lot of Irish people feel like they can wake up and breathe once they're away from that sh!t.

jetfiremuck

To me this looks like premeditated fraud as in intent to defraud. The fact that all those are on tape makes a defense v difficult. It doesnt excuse Lenihan and his mad dash to help. Why didnt the Gov at least do an analysis of the situation before guaranteeing the bailout.......ffs the developers actions pales in comparison....at least the developers built something for the most part. I see jail time here or will it be like Goodman and the meat scandal over 25 years ago.

General General

These guys thought that acting like this was okay on some level.

Leiva

they are talking about billions as if it was the number of sandwiches they needed to order

crazy stuff :mad:

TGi666

Leiva wrote: »

they are talking about billions as if it was the number of sandwiches they needed to order

crazy stuff :mad:

Not there own money so I doubt they even cared about anything except covering there own rear ends

Boombastic

'call in the Gardas says FF'..is the headline on RTE News at one,


Are the Gardai not already on the case?

alphabeat

I want to see these chaps hanging from lamposts , end of story ,

Dyr

DeVore wrote: »

Does anyone think that this is very worrying because it will almost certainly give them grounds to avoid prosecution on the grounds of the trial being prejudiced....

Occurred to me alright.

Joshua J

Ah the old bait and switch, are people still falling for this?.

Augmerson

DeVore wrote: »

Does anyone think that this is very worrying because it will almost certainly give them grounds to avoid prosecution on the grounds of the trial being prejudiced....

That is an absolutely sickening possibility.

bumper234

Bastards should all be jailed, and i don't mean one of those ****ing namby pamby wishy washy open prisons either these ****ers should be sent to the joy, given the deepest darkest mouldiest cells that can be found and not only should the ***** have to slop out every morning they should be made to slop out EVERY cell in Mountjoy.

Keyzer

bumper234 wrote: »

Bastards should all be jailed, and i don't mean one of those ****ing namby pamby wishy washy open prisons either these ****ers should be sent to the joy, given the deepest darkest mouldiest cells that can be found and not only should the ***** have to slop out every morning they should be made to slop out EVERY cell in Mountjoy.

Ain't never gonna happen in this god forsaken country...

bumper234

Keyzer wrote: »

Ain't never gonna happen in this god forsaken country...

I know because all of the bankers that caused this are buddies with the politicians. Probably got dirt on every one of them and they are afraid it will all come out if they try to prosecute. Ireland...where you can cause an economic crash but still live the life of a multi millionaire:rolleyes:

wil

MEA MAXIMA BANKA :eek::mad:

SeaFields

.I wonder if there are tapes between these same executives and the political leaders of the time .

Sickening stuff as it is but no doubt nothing will come of it.

martingriff

Boombastic wrote: »

'call in the Gardas says FF'..is the headline on RTE News at one,


Are the Gardai not already on the case?[/QUOTE]


You will hope so but they better make sure that those tapes were got in a total legitamite (wrong spelling I am sure) way and all t's were crossed as if they is any ounce of doubt there lawyers will have a field day and they will walk out laughing and sneering.