The Anglo Irish Tapes

andrewdeerpark

As for the unbelievable comment today from IRBC / Anglo on the leak:

"Solicitors acting for IBRC, which is in liquidation, wrote to RTÉ requesting that it would not broadcast the recording of the phone conversation between Mr Bowe and Mr FitzGerald.

In the letter, the lawyers said that no person was authorised to disclose the contents of the recording.

Solicitors McCann FitzGerald said it was an "internal" IBRC telephone conversation that took place on 18 September 2008 and its contents were "confidential".

This is unreal we own this bank yet are challenging any information coming out in the open? Balmy, banana republic we live in??????

10000maniacs

If I was in power, that pair of gob****es together with Seanie would be hanging by the goolies from the place where the absent Anglo Irish Bank sign used to be in Stephen's Court.
People could give them a kick on their way to work.
People have been shot for doing a lot less in the name of the Irish state.

Keyzer

vitani wrote: »

Well, yes, that's exactly my point. How the f*** did they manage to do this and why did the Central Bank (or whoever) not investigate fully before handing over the cash?

Not to sound patronising but this has all been in the news for the last 5 years.

The bloke running the central bank at the time was a clown, the financial regulator at the time was a clown. The entire sector was rotten to the core and no one really gave two ****es, the two blokes in those tapes are laughing at one point.

mike65

Someone (with money) needs to take civil case against these boyos, if only to keep this in the public eye. I wouldn't trust the AGs office with something like this.

Keyzer

mike65 wrote: »

Someone (with money) needs to take civil case against these boyos, if only to keep this in the public eye. I wouldn't trust the AGs office with something like this.

I'd be truly amazed if anything came of this, certainly no legal proceedings will take place.

vitani

Keyzer wrote: »

Not to sound patronising but this has all been in the news for the last 5 years.

The bloke running the central bank at the time was a clown, the financial regulator at the time was a clown. The entire sector was rotten to the core and no one really gave two ****es, the two blokes in those tapes are laughing at one point.

Thanks for the explanation but to be fair, I'm more mildly ranting than asking for answers, albeit in the form of questions.

Firefox11

andrewdeerpark wrote: »

As for the unbelievable comment today from IRBC / Anglo on the leak:

"Solicitors acting for IBRC, which is in liquidation, wrote to RTÉ requesting that it would not broadcast the recording of the phone conversation between Mr Bowe and Mr FitzGerald.

In the letter, the lawyers said that no person was authorised to disclose the contents of the recording.

Solicitors McCann FitzGerald said it was an "internal" IBRC telephone conversation that took place on 18 September 2008 and its contents were "confidential".

This is unreal we own this bank yet are challenging any information coming out in the open? Balmy, banana republic we live in??????

But they played part of the recording on Pat Kenny on Radio one this Morning??

Boombastic

Those assholes show have their citizenship removed and the the traitors, their families and anyone who worked in the bank at at any level should be shot with balls of their own sh1t. Why are these tapes only coming public now?

moneymad

What law did they break? Surely a law was enacted since 2008 to deal with this sort of thing? As it failed in 2008.

TheFOB

moneymad wrote: »

What law did they break? Surely a law was enacted since 2008 to deal with this sort of thing? As it failed in 2008.

Well they certainly broke the companies act law against using the banks own money to prop up the share price.

keano_afc

Nothing will be done and we all know it. Sure look at the Lowry tapes. He lied to the tribunal. Is he in prison? Is he shite.

generalmental

hfallada wrote: »

What will spending them to prison do? Nothing but cost the tax payer €65,000 a year. For a lot of these people being isolated from friends and broke is far worse than a prison cell.

Take Berne Madoff the man who stole $50 billion from people in a pyramid scheme. His wife wasnt sent to prison but lives in their $10 million dollar apartment but most live on $100 a week and has to ride the subway.

For wealthy people losing your friends and being hatred by everyone around is a worse punishment of prison sentence

To be honest I can think of better punishments happening to them in prison.

You know something along the lines of, its now their time to be fcuked up the ar$e

mathie

moneymad wrote: »

What law did they break? Surely a law was enacted since 2008 to deal with this sort of thing? As it failed in 2008.

The Golden Rule of life ... Don't be a dick.

who_me

moneymad wrote: »

What law did they break? Surely a law was enacted since 2008 to deal with this sort of thing? As it failed in 2008.

Fraud, surely. Taking a loan with no intention of paying it back, lying about your finances in order to secure it?

mikom

May they die roarin'

Dyr

ScienceNerd wrote: »

Surprised there's no thread on this. Or maybe everyone is completely unsurprised. Tapes recording Anglo higher ups discussing how they would deliberately mislead the central bank in order to extract as much money as possible to prob up the sinking ship

http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/tapes-that-reveal-what-really-led-to-national-collapse-29366839.html



It's almost Comic-Book Villain levels of evil. At the risk of sounding melodramatic, they should be charged with treason surely?

I've said this before, our governments passed the various offences against the state acts to protect the country from those who were trying to undermine the state. Now the provos et al had about as much chance of overthrowing the state as I have of winning the grand national on two legs but the legislation was always passed in the name of protecting the state.


These c**ts in Anglo actually destroyed our sovereignty. Surely a classic case for extraordinary measures being taken to ensure that they are punished or even that it can never happen again. And yet the government does nothing ...hmmm

Bambi

Bambi wrote: »

These c**ts in Anglo actually destroyed our sovereignty.

No, no they didn`t. The politicians did. Had the market been let run its course the bankers would have all been unemployed. It was the vote in Dail Eireann that tied the taxpayers to the fate of the banks. It was the failure of the Seanad to do its job as a check and it was the failure of the President to refer this theft/fraud as a referendum to the Irish people. I hope the pointless Presidency and the useless Seanad are shut down.

If people don`t get out on the streets there will never be justice in Ireland. Never expect a fair go and do not expect to have much of a pension left in 20 years time.

golfball37

Deleted User wrote: »

No, no they didn`t. The politicians did. Had the market been let run its course the bankers would have all been unemployed. It was the vote in Dail Eireann that tied the taxpayers to the fate of the banks. It was the failure of the Seanad to do its job as a check and it was the failure of the President to refer this theft/fraud as a referendum to the Irish people.

If people don`t get out on the streets there will never be justice in Ireland. Never expect a fair go and do not expect to have much of a pension left in 20 years time.

Well said- Blaming a financial institution for maximising its profits is a bit like giving out about a hospital curing people. We were supposed to have a regulatory system that stopped corrupt practices and a government that held them to account. Both were negligent in their duty.

Dyr

Deleted User wrote: »

No, no they didn`t. The politicians did. Had the market been let run its course the bankers would have all been unemployed. It was the vote in Dail Eireann that tied the taxpayers to the fate of the banks. It was the failure of the Seanad to do its job as a check and it was the failure of the President to refer this theft/fraud as a referendum to the Irish people.

If people don`t get out on the streets there will never be justice in Ireland. Never expect a fair go and do not expect to have much of a pension left in 20 years time.

Ah right, the market was perverted by democracy rather the market perverted democracy. Already heard that one

OU812

I've emailed my TD (Tommy Broghan) about this asking him to bring it up in the Dail & have them investigated for conspiracy to commit fraud.

I'd suggest others do the same. If we just rant about it on the internet, nothing will come of it.

andrewdeerpark

golfball37 wrote: »

Well said- Blaming a financial institution for maximising its profits is a bit like giving out about a hospital curing people. We were supposed to have a regulatory system that stopped corrupt practices and a government that held them to account. Both were negligent in their duty.

Do not agree, these were fellow Irishmen that knew Anglo was a black hole that could sink the country. They never once thought of the country only saving their own skin. Why did they not advise the government to let Anglo fail and burn all the bondholders.

These are despicable Irishmen.

soundsofgeisha

Thinking of sampling these...

Prometheus

Had a quick read of most of the Irish sites reporting this, but It doesn't say who recorded the conversations and how did the tapes get into the public domain.
Anyone know?
Thanks

Zebra3

Sergeant wrote: »

I'd prefer if we had a trial to be honest. Justice and all those archaic concepts that I do be reading about.

I'd prefer a trial, but with it being Ireland there'll probably be a 15 year tribunal that will make a lot of lawyers rich, cost the taxpayer a fortune, and during which time some of the defendants and witnesses die, and the report recommends some crap to DPP.

Sierra Oscar

Prometheus wrote: »

Had a quick read of most of the Irish sites reporting this, but It doesn't say who recorded the conversations and how did the tapes get into the public domain.
Anyone know?
Thanks

It was standard practice in the bank for all external calls to be recorded, as happens in most large banking institutions.

Someone obviously passed them on to the Independent, we may never find out who - but in anycase it was in the public interest to pass these along.

The question I would like answered is as to whether these tapes have been analysed by the Gardai, and if not then why not? If they have been, then why is the current investigation going so slowly? The tapes reveal a blatant conspiracy to defraud the state.

gramar

theUbiq wrote: »

They should be beaten and tied naked to the spire... :mad:

They should be given the spire up the arse.

Dyr

golfball37 wrote: »

Well said- Blaming a financial institution for maximising its profits is a bit like giving out about a hospital curing people. We were supposed to have a regulatory system that stopped corrupt practices and a government that held them to account. Both were negligent in their duty.

yeah it's a bit like blaming a criminal for mugging an old woman when it's clearly both her and the gardai's fault for not having put sufficient structures in place to prevent it.

Gambas

OU812 wrote: »

I've emailed my TD (Tommy Broghan) about this asking him to bring it up in the Dail & have them investigated for conspiracy to commit fraud.

I'd suggest others do the same. If we just rant about it on the internet, nothing will come of it.

So instead to propose having Tommy Broughan rant about it in the Dáil and think that will be any more successful? Nobody pays a blind bit of heed to anything Tommy says.

Curly Judge

Colm McCarthy made a very good point on Today@PK.
He said that this was the most disastrous financial calamity to ever befall our country and that it should be subjected to the most rigorous form of enquiry.
To do this he suggested re-running the "Abbeylara Referendum" with a view to getting it passed this time and so arming our politicians with the means for a thorough shake out.
So...sack Shatter and put in someone who can get it through the next time?
Or... are the courts a better option?

OU812

Gambas wrote: »

So instead to propose having Tommy Broughan rant about it in the Dáil and think that will be any more successful? Nobody pays a blind bit of heed to anything Tommy says.

He's my elected representative & my voice in the Dáil. It's the most I can personally do. Maybe if enough people did something. There might be an acceptable outcome.