The Anglo Irish Tapes

AnOrdinaryJoe

Headline in todays Financial Times

Organised crime soars in wake of crisis

I thought it was organised crime (re the banks) which was at the heart of the crisis, which caused the crisis !

Zebra3

Sergeant wrote: »

Yes he did. He then retired to his office where he was heard laughing manically while stroking a white cat and sipping on a 1982 Bordeaux that was paid for using taxpayers money.

http://www.rte.ie/player/ie/show/10159611/

05:05 to 05:08, certainly looks like one he's trying to keep down on the right side.

suicide_circus

may their blood run in rivers down the streets. give them a show trial and then dragged outside and riddled with bullets - it's the only language these bastards understand.

keelanj69

Sergeant wrote: »

Yes he did. He then retired to his office where he was heard laughing manically while stroking a white cat and sipping on a 1982 Bordeaux that was paid for using taxpayers money.

Somewhere there is a Volcanic Island Base paid for by Irish taxpayers for just that sort of thing.

jobeenfitz

We the pawns are just being shuffled about the board by greasy evil paws.

These tapes are shocking to hear but really not suprising. If we heard tapes of the politicians around this period would they be less shocking? I suspect not.

Just watching Gilmore here on the "one news" talking about an inquiry, wonder if he will be running off to the embassy's giving a different story?

It is not in the interest of the politicians or the high flyers to seriously do anything about this because if the people(in massive numbers) were to protest about the bankers they would fear the rabble would eventually turn on them.

IMO this will settle down and little will be achieved without major protest.

Sergeant

suicide_circus wrote: »

may their blood run in rivers down the streets. give them a show trial and then dragged outside and riddled with bullets - it's the only language these bastards understand.

Do you think it would be a good idea to make their families watch while we riddle them with bullets? We could record their reactions and upload them to social media websites for comment and analysis.

Just throwing out a few ideas here in advance of this display of righteous and furious justice.

suicide_circus

Sergeant wrote: »

Do you think it would be a good idea to make their families watch while we riddle them with bullets? We could record their reactions and upload them to social media websites for comment and analysis.

Just throwing out a few ideas here in advance of this display of righteous and furious justice.

yeah that all sounds reasonable, you can be co-ordinator if you like, you get it hold a clipboard!

For Forks Sake

[Deleted User] wrote: »

so I do not to read over 30 pages what is this all about

Someone found a safe....

Formalhaut

The point about a democracy is that to keep your politicians honest you need to keep them respectful of the people. If they believe there will be no consequence to their actions they will have no need to reform.

Unless people scare them with the genuine threat of civil disobedience, unrest, whatever, they will simply carry on as before.

Protest CAN lead to change, for that reason.

But the Irish have sadly lost sight of that. In that sense, we might deserve everything we get.

I am pie

At this stage they make Gordon Gecko look like a role model for corporate ethics. You could make a movie but it would seem too far fetched that so many greedy immoral fuckheads would be allowed control of a bank and such a weak spineless shitbag be allowed control of the regulator. Not too mention that shower of walking talking anuses that ran the country.

At the very least I hope every one of them has fled the country.

Formalhaut

AnOrdinaryJoe wrote: »

Maybe....... the answer is for all might be to become anaesthetised so we are too relaxed or unable to rise up and protest.

Have you seen how the price of alcohol in the supermarkets is relatively cheap ?

And, since AIB is now in public ownership, perhaps there should be some sort of advantage or dispensation to the long suffering Irish taxpayer...... maybe we can all get a discount on cocaine via the setting up of a shareholder discount arrangement arranged by chaps in negotiation with other chaps, possibly using the old wider money laundering / drug cartel contact network if you get my drift.

With the combination of cheap booze and cheap cocaine sure we'd all be chilled out (anaesthetised) to the point of 'what was that thingy thingy was talking about. I forget, ach sure don't be worrying about it. Another 20p can of super strength lager anyone ?'

Sure,along with the 'banks are honest and trustworthy' myth isn't that another myth, that Irish people like to drink a lot.

Maybe it has a ring of truth to it...... thankfully and beneficially perhaps to the bould boys.

Well, just look at the numbers of sheeple in Ireland who participate in 'Arthur Guinness Day' - a manufactured marketing op by a major corporation.

And yet we don't riot at the spectacle of two sociopaths laughing at bankrupting the country.

Something very wrong in this country. Moral apathy on a monumental scale.

TheFOB

I see John Bowe has pulled his LinkedIn Profile. For the sake of record I have attached Peter Fitzgerald's account. Note his personal summary:

Peter Fitzgerald's Summary
A commercally astute, senior business leader with a demonstrable track record in:

1. understanding and contributing strongly to organisational strategy - LIAR - you broke a bank and a country
2. communicating effectively with all stakeholders to ensure strategic direction and ambition is understood and LIAR - you lost the lifesavings and pension funds of your banks shareholders
3. motivating large teams with effective leadership and communication to build, change and or dispose of business functions to achieve organisational goals. LIAR - you are not a leader but a self interested pig

.jacksparrow.

Formalhaut wrote: »

The point about a democracy is that to keep your politicians honest you need to keep them respectful of the people. If they believe there will be no consequence to their actions they will have no need to reform.

Unless people scare them with the genuine threat of civil disobedience, unrest, whatever, they will simply carry on as before.

Protest CAN lead to change, for that reason.

But the Irish have sadly lost sight of that. In that sense, we might deserve everything we get.

Civil servants spring to mind.

Formalhaut

It's the same kind of moral apathy that turned a blind eye to what the Catholic Church was up to in hushing up child abuse, then professed moral outrage after the fact.

We never ****ing learn in this country.

AnOrdinaryJoe

‘Imagine...... it’s easy if you can’

‘No need for greed or hunger’

Imagine if a criminally minded i.e. a drugs or terrorist organisation which had run out of funds, all or a significant proportion of its revenues and profits having been derived from illegal and criminal activities, and decided to approach the government, the same government which is supposed to protect the nation, not just some of ‘the nation’ i.e. the fat cat elite, but all of the people, a government which is supposed to ensure that the law of the land is observed by all and to the benefit of the whole country and its population, for a bit of a bail out.

And imagine that in such circumstances the government, without consulting with or having a mandate to, decided to hand over a huge amount of cash, cash which was legally and ethically sourced and owned by other people, to those same gangsters.

And imagine if those same gangsters, after being handed the cash belonging to other people, continued to operate in the criminal manner they had before getting the cash.

And imagine that because the cash which was given to the gangsters was no longer able to be used for the sort of reasons it had originally been earmarked for and as a result those people whose money had been stolen from them in order to give it to the gangsters found themselves in all sorts of difficulties which they may not have found themselves in if their money had been spent in the way it was intended to have been spent.

Just imagine......

And yet, in the UK RBS, an organisation which, like other banks, has received revenues and thus profits from activities which were / are illegal and therefore criminal i.e. Libor ‘manipulation, PPI mis-selling, the former having continued for some time after Fred Goodwin’s replacement, Stephen Hester came onboard, and the latter having continued for several years AFTER the bank, and other banks, were made aware of ‘the problem’ i.e. the illegality of what they were up to, and other sharp practices....... thus the criminality continued.

And of course monies which good, honest and hard working people had handed over to the government via their taxes from an honest day’s toil, were simply, without permission from those who actually owned it, handed over to those same gangsters, or banksters as they are frequently referred to........ good money from good people handed over to banksters.

And the position in Ireland wasn’t much different, with billions handed over to AIB, Anglo Irish and to Bank of Ireland.

Meanwhile the ordinary people, those whose hard earned taxes were stolen from them continue to suffer.

Imagine the difference to their lives if the money which has been stolen from them was where it should be, and not with the banksters !

And imagine how much better many of us would feel if some of these parasitic blood sucking banksters were in jail for their misdemeanours !

donegal_road

TheFOB wrote: »

I see John Bowe has pulled his LinkedIn Profile. For the sake of record I have attached Peter Fitzgerald's account. Note his personal summary:

wtf? he was the interim CEO at Addiction Counselors Ireland!
There are a small group of these guys who appoint each other to CEO positions whenever they become available, regardless of what that institution may be. Jobs for the boys

jobeenfitz

Formalhaut wrote: »

The point about a democracy is that to keep your politicians honest you need to keep them respectful of the people. If they believe there will be no consequence to their actions they will have no need to reform.

Unless people scare them with the genuine threat of civil disobedience, unrest, whatever, they will simply carry on as before.

Protest CAN lead to change, for that reason.

But the Irish have sadly lost sight of that. In that sense, we might deserve everything we get.

I get what your saying but maybe people who have little money to provide for themselves and their families are to busy with the drudgery of their lives to have the time or the inclination to protest. Many of these people are suffering depression and maybe even suicide because of the economic crises, i feel. Those in society who are still doing fine may not see the need to protest. Then there are probably those who just couldn't be bothered.

I don't think we will have massive protests over these tapes, so little consequence for all involved.

This does not mean we deserve what we get imo.

TheFOB

donegal_road wrote: »

wtf? he was the interim CEO at Addiction Counselors Ireland!
There are a small group of these guys who appoint each other to CEO positions whenever they become available, regardless of what that institution may be. Jobs for the boys

He is the current CEO. It's funny the collapse of Anglo caused many to lose everything and turn to addiction and now this chancer is in charge of 'helping' them.

Formalhaut

jobeenfitz wrote: »

I get what your saying but maybe people who have little money to provide for themselves and their families are to busy with the drudgery of their lives to have the time or the inclination to protest. Many of these people are suffering depression and maybe even suicide because of the economic crises, i feel. Those in society who are still doing fine may not see the need to protest. Then there are probably who just couldn't be bothered.

I don't think we will have massive protests over these tapes, so little consequence for all involved.

This does not mean we deserve what we get imo.

I know that, but it plays into the hands of the plutocrats that the populace is depressed, scared and compliant. Change has happened elsewhere only when people have realized they are being royally screwed over and have refused to stand for it.

It just strikes me as remarkable that there are massive protests and civil unrest everywhere else (Brazil, Turkey, Greece, Spain etc. ) but the Irish seems to be ok taking it in the ass from these sociopaths.

Wurzelbert

i wonder what sort of consequences all this could have - realistically - for those involved, what sort of maximum penalties - if any - would be possible in today’s legal system in ireland...if, and that’s a big if, all legal means were exhausted to the max and everything proven beyond a doubt...
jail? for how long? what else? could it be (high) treason etc....?

any legal experts around to enlighten me?

on a less realistic note i’d suggest treating them as king edward treated william wallace in august 1305...

Captain Slow IRL

Does anyone know where they live? Maybe a protest outside their houses?! (or a riot)

mikom

Serious need for Dexter in Spud land.

Busted Flat.

Captain Slow IRL wrote: »

Does anyone know where they live? Maybe a protest outside their houses?! (or a riot)

Any day in Marlay park, in Rathfarnham you will meet one of the lowlife.

RiverOfLove

Captain Slow IRL wrote: »

Does anyone know where they live? Maybe a protest outside their houses?! (or a riot)

It's tempting but you can't do that. They'll claim to own to footpath or the road outside their houses and they'll have you for trespassing.

MrPoker

Really shocking stuff to listen to and makes my blood boil that these greedy, self serving sociopaths were were at the top of the banking system. No doubt these bankers were in cahoots with government figures and they have combined to destroy our relatively new state after less than 100 years of independence.

Most of us have been in that situation saying goodbye to friends and family forced to emigrate due to the state of the economy, not knowing if or when we are going to see them again. Many don't want to leave but have no choice. For those of us that have remained the future looks bleak. Annual tax increases along with a decline in services are really putting the squeeze on people as we pay for the incompetence of the untouched bankers. Suicide is rife as people struggle with the woes of a failed economy.

When are we going to protest? We need to let it be known that this will not be tolerated or will we just sit back and let it be swept under the carpet and allow the same greed happen again some day in the future. Families have been destroyed by the greed of these bankers and many lives have been lost. The bankers in the meantime roam free. Now is the time to mobilize and get people on the streets to say enough is enough. Conditions are rife and the means are there to spread the word via social media. These guys need to be held accountable. If not now when?

Boombastic

JRant wrote: »

Well this is a storm in a teacup really. None of this is new information at all. What did we think these yahoo bankers were going to be like?

The NTMA pulled the plug on using Anglo for holding deposits long before the bailout, over a year before if I'm not mistaken. They knew something was seriously wrong.

Merril-Lynch told the dept of finance that Anglo was a basketcase and to stay well clear of it. They knew something was seriously wrong.

Dept of finance officials recommended that Anglo be left of the list of guaranteed banks. They knew something was serious wrong.

Yet come the final hour, Lenihan, Cowen and the cabinet decided they knew better than everyone else and added Anglo to the list. This was against ALL advice given to them. Never mind investigating these 2 boyo's, I want to know who and why Anglo's name got on that bank guarantee. That's the bigger story and one which is being lost in the noise.

And yet Ernst & Young didn't find anything wrong in their audits of the bank...hmmmmp

Mr E

padz wrote: »

anyone see any international coverage of this...finacial times, new york times guardian?...wonder what the germans make of the le muppets on the phone

http://businessetc.thejournal.ie/international-coverage-anglo-tapes-965417-Jun2013/

AnOrdinaryJoe

Chaps looking after chaps and all that. Chaps (a) influence other chaps (chaps (b) ) getting positions which in the future chaps (a) are aware that chaps (b) may be making decisions about chaps (a) i.e. directorships, positions, remunerations levels, bonuses, pension packages, etc. That's how it works in 'their' world. In the real world, the world of us ordinary plebs it doesn't work that way...... in this world this sort of stuff is illegal and if you were to engage in such activity you would get cut down and 'dealt with'. In banking and in some areas of politics, you would get rewarded for failure and for engaging in sharp practice and subterfuge. In these 'we're all in it together' times, some are in a luxury yacht with all the trappings i.e. the free bar, etc, whilst the majority are in a dinghy, often without a paddle.

Busted Flat.

Boombastic wrote: »

And yet Ernst & Young didn't find anything wrong in their audits of the bank...hmmmmp

I think they started off as Earnest and Young, then due to their activities they changed their name ernst & young due to embarrassment.

AnOrdinaryJoe

And another thing....... some of you complain about no growth industries in Ireland....... evidently you wans have never heard of immigration, depression and suicide....... see, it's not as bad as some of you make out.