The Anglo Irish Tapes

bumper234

msg11 wrote: »

Protest won't hit the government intake tax wise. What everyone needs to do is call a general strike until something is done about these gangsters. I know in these times it hard to justify the loss in a few days work but if there's no money flowing in it will cause issues for the government.

I'm an sick of paying for this mess and no one giving a flying **** about what type of mess has been caused.

Billions and billions in tax's and yet this island is falling apart, not a cent for anything. Full time work non existent, people of all ages flooding out the doors, while the bill get's bigger for the rest of us, on operation clean up. Triple paying for some services.

I don't think Ireland needs to wake up, it's bigger than that the EU needs to wake up there been played for fools by the banks. There's even more justification now for telling the bond holders to piss off, the information provided was misleading making it null and void. That's what I would be told if I gave false information to an insurance company and then tried to claim.

FOR THIS TO HAPPEN THE UNIONS WOULD HAVE TO GET INVOLVED AND THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN IN IRELAND BECAUSE AGAIN IT'S ALL THE OLD BOYS NETWORK AT PLAY.

(sorry for the caps typed it out and couldn't be arsed retyping:))

Busted Flat.

listermint wrote: »

Let others speak on your behalf then, all your life.


(rolleyes)


We have been present to the largest scale robbery of YOUR money in the history of the irish state and that is the best you can come up with.


You should be ashamed.

Like the SWP. No thanks.

Don't hold it in O'Connell street, a side street would be better the crowd will look bigger.

Boombastic

msg11 wrote: »

Protest won't hit the government intake tax wise. ................

How would mass withdrawals at the states banks hit them? AIB etc

AnOrdinaryJoe

Ah Richie....... he who (it is alleged) advised the Oireachtas that unequivocally we in Ireland did not have a Northern Rock scenario, and who admitted that he (allegedly) was responsible for putting eroneous information into the realm of the Oireachtas. And if anyone wants to see what must surely be one of the most pitiful performances of any banking sector big cheese, look on You Tube at the bould Richie being questioned by Independent TD Stephen Donnelly at the Public Accounts Committee on 1st November 2012. In fact 'pitiful' doesn't do his 'performance' justice.

Standman

listermint wrote: »

Lets talk it down before it starts.


Im going out on a limb here and say that youve never been at a protest.

Like or not it's one of the reasons, in my opinion, that many people don't join protests in this country.

Zebra3

TheFOB wrote: »

What the fcuk was Alan Dukes doing in Anglo?? Did he not look for these tapes? He turned turncoat very quickly.

Are you for real? :eek::eek::eek::eek:

Alan Dukes a turncoat?

That is scandalous!!!!

The fine upstanding gentleman that is Alan Dukes was Minister for Finance during this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_Irish_Banks#Insurance_Corporation_of_Ireland

He has never been a turncoat.







Always on the side of the elite.

Boombastic

Standman wrote: »

Like or not it's one of the reasons, in my opinion, that many people don't join protests in this country.

For a protest about this though it should not be hippies vs left vs right vs whoever else.


It should be the people vs the protected elite

MrPoker

Busted Flat. wrote: »

All hippies and revolutionary types welcome, anyone know the words of "We shall overcome" :rolleyes:

Yes because only hippie types protest. What about people who want accountability for this mess we are in? People who have seen their families ripped apart through emigration and suicide? And people who want a better future for their children? Or will I just stand by and say nothing and watch as the rich get richer and the poor get poorer whilst rubbing it in our faces. Your attitude is a disgrace. I'm not a supporter of leftist groups and am going on my own agenda and for the love of my country. I can see what is happening here and what shape our future will take if nothing is done. Open your eyes....

listermint

Standman wrote: »

Like or not it's one of the reasons, in my opinion, that many people don't join protests in this country.

Like it or not, its attitudes like yours and conveying that same attitude to friends and family of indifference is the sole reason people dont join.

Standman

Boombastic wrote: »

For a protest about this though it should not be hippies vs left vs right vs whoever else.


It should be the people vs the protected elite

I agree.

Formalhaut

Busted Flat. wrote: »

Like the SWP. No thanks.

Don't hold it in O'Connell street, a side street would be better the crowd will look bigger.

Jesus. Talk about part of the problem.

If you lived under Bashar al Assad would you take the same attitude?

I mean, what would it actually take for you to get off your arse? A couple of sociopaths laughing about bankrupting the country and compromising its sovereignty under false pretenses is not enough, apparently. Your tax is going to pay for their mistakes. Your ****ing services have been cut.

Boombastic

FINANCE Minister Michael Noonan had no idea the Anglo tapes existed until he read yesterday's Irish Independent.






I find this hard to believe. If it is common knowledge and practice within banks to record phone conversations, surely the existence of the tapes (if not the content) would have known about and the tapes actively sought??

Sergeant

listermint wrote: »

Like it or not, its attitudes like yours and conveying that same attitude to friends and family of indifference is the sole reason people dont join.

No it isn't. It's having the usual collective of loonies and oddballs turning up at all these things, and trying to spout their jaded Marxist nonsense that keeps people away.

Busted Flat.

Formalhaut wrote: »

What a helpful attitude. No point trying to change anything, because nothing ever changes.

That's why were in this mess. Do you not get it?

The mess we are in, is because Irish people, are fools, look at the type of government we vote in every time. We listen to every gob$hite that is running for election, believe them, when elected they turn around and give us a good kick in the Boll1(ks, we in turn reply sure they are better than the last crowd.

SEPT 23 1989

Boombastic wrote: »

For a protest about this though it should not be hippies vs left vs right vs whoever else.


It should be the people vs the protected elite

no party banners or flags ,no beards making speeches

then i would go

listermint

Sergeant wrote: »

No it isn't. It's having the usual collective of loonies and oddballs turning up at all these things, and trying to spout their jaded Marxist nonsense that keeps people away.

So dont go then, and propagate your theory.


My lord some people are bloody tough work.


What does it take ? Two individuals (coupled with lax legislation and stupidity of regulation at all levels) pissing all over your childrens futures and you have people on here giving out about protestors from a different background.

TheLastMohican

Patrick Neary, is now on a pension of over E100,000 pa. After retiring he got E630,000.
In a statement upon his retirement, Mr Neary said: "I am proud of my distinguished career spanning almost 40 years as a public servant who acted at all times in the public interest."

It's a good job that the rest of our public servants aren't as distinguished deluded as this jumped up toe rag.

This guy has got serious delusional ideas about what his job meant.

Or was his pay-off just hush money?

http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/anglo/asleep-at-the-wheel-former-regulator-stays-quiet-29369352.html

AnOrdinaryJoe

One of the most appalling situations which demonstrates the attitudes of the banks was the jumpin' up and down they did recently because An Post, an organisation which, as far as I am aware, has not conducted itself in the way the banking sector has, and never took the risks, etc the banking sector did, was offering better interest rates to savers and at a rate which the banks could not compete with.

Now, we live (allegedly) in a sort of free market economy, where competition is supposed to be a good thing.

And yet, at the bequest of the controlling banks, An Post were forced to amend their interest rate to one which was comparable with the lower interest rates offered by the banks.

Yes folks...... that''s what you call 'competition' in the Ireland of today !

........ a bit like the sort of Libor manipulations by the likes of Ulster Bank parent company Royal Bank of Scotland, which caused so much outrage, with many of ordinary people impacted upon...... a bit like the lowering of the An Post interest rate (enforced lowering of) scenario

listermint

Busted Flat. wrote: »

The mess we are in, is because Irish people, are fools, look at the type of government we vote in every time. We listen to every gob$hite that is running for election, believe them, when elected they turn around and give us a good kick in the Boll1(ks, we in turn reply sure they are better than the last crowd.

You basically said what he said... more in common that you think.


Apathy mate, apathy.

Formalhaut

Busted Flat. wrote: »

The mess we are in, is because Irish people, are fools, look at the type of government we vote in every time. We listen to every gob$hite that is running for election, believe them, when elected they turn around and give us a good kick in the Boll1(ks, we in turn reply sure they are better than the last crowd.

Yeah, but just sit and whinge on the sidelines, and take the piss out of people who are willing to make a visible demonstration and to exercise their democratic right to protest. That'll get things done.

steddyeddy

Formalhaut wrote: »

Dead right. It's just making excuses for apathy.

You want to let those people own the protest? The best way to do that is by not stepping out your front door.

Bingo

Potatoeman

Formalhaut wrote: »

What a helpful attitude. No point trying to change anything, because nothing ever changes.

That's why were in this mess. Do you not get it?

No its the attitude that has FF back in the polls that is the real reason we are in this mess. There was not backlash until we had to start cutting things.

Formalhaut

listermint wrote: »

So dont go then, and propagate your theory.


My lord some people are bloody tough work.


What does it take ? Two individuals (coupled with lax legislation and stupidity of regulation at all levels) pissing all over your childrens futures and you have people on here giving out about protestors from a different background.

It's called divide and rule. Colonial states and mega corporations have been exploiting it to their own ends for centuries. The peasants squabble amongst themselves, and it plays right into the hands of the kleptocrats.

Talk about missing the point in spectacular fashion.

bumper234

Sergeant wrote: »

No it isn't. It's having the usual collective of loonies and oddballs turning up at all these things, and trying to spout their jaded Marxist nonsense that keeps people away.

Well instead of moaning about the problem why not become part of the solution? Go to the protest, show your support, If the loonies as you call them start spouting their Marxist nonsense then boo them off the stage, turn your back to the stage, have a mini protest of your own against them but FFS don't just have a "why bother" attitude this is what has the country ****ed.

who_me

RiverOfLove wrote: »

Apathy too.
Some people just don't care what happens.

I really don't think that's it.

I've lots of conversations, both offline and online, with people who are nearly apoplectic with rage over this. It's not that people don't care, I think it's a combination of thinking that nothing we do will change anything; and the culture of protest is - largely - gone. I'd have no problem protesting if everyone here in the office was going too, and my neighbours and friends. But am I going to be the first one out on the street with a placard, hoping others join in? No.

Formalhaut

Potatoeman wrote: »

No its the attitude that has FF back in the polls that is the real reason we are in this mess. There was not backlash until we had to start cutting things.

A backlash is a backlash. Anger can be channeled towards change as well as towards 'more of the same.'

But cynicism guarantees more of the same - or worse.

Busted Flat.

listermint wrote: »

So dont go then, and propagate your theory.


My lord some people are bloody tough work.


What does it take ? Two individuals (coupled with lax legislation and stupidity of regulation at all levels) pissing all over your childrens futures and you have people on here giving out about protestors from a different background.

Chill out, I do not know what age you are, but I am going on for 64, over the years I have protested,picketed got arrested for what. The result is the same, nowhere. Protest all you want, and when you get older look back and see what you have achieved. I know people who protested with me back in the seventies, and are still doing it today, from hugging trees in the Glen of the Downs to protesting about protesting. It is a social event for protesters and burned out hippies.

who_me

IMO, expecting people to spontaneously protest... you'll be waiting. You need an organised group to kick-start any protest, or it'll never happen. To my mind, the obvious choice would be the unions. I'm not a unionised worker, but if they were to organise a national day of protest (not necessarily mass rallies, just a national shutdown) I'd certainly take part.

AnOrdinaryJoe

It's like this....... hippies, 'lefties', pensioners, policemen, teachers, health workers, soldiers, taxi drivers, road sweepers, etc, etc....... when it comes to being f**ked over by the self serving 'elite', we're all the same........ we're all being screwed over.

Surely any protest must be about getting the numbers out to protest, and since we should all be aware of the common ground, to protest collectively and as one entity, that entity being all of us who are being f**ked over by these blood sucking parasites.

The Occupy Wall Street movement wasn't only 'lefties and hippies', although it has to be said, often it's the 'lefties and hippies' who have the balls to get out there in the first instance....... there were pensioners, young parents concerned for what the world they were raising their children in had become, etc.

You know, some people use the term 'lefties and hippies' as a derogatory descriptive term...... when in actual fact, aside from the fact that everyone, in a so called free society at least, has the right to hold their beliefs, many 'lefties and hippies' are some of the nicest, most balanced and good people you will meet. And I say that as a person who does not consider himself and generally would not be thought of as a 'leftie and/or a hippy'.

What we need is one fight / one voice, with a common foe...... we all know who 'that foe' is.

tayto lover

Declan Inexpensive Combat wrote: »

A&E closed in roscommon hospital.
How many people have died due to cutbacks as a result of these people?

How many people have taken their own lives because they couldn't pay their mortgages, bills etc while being crucified by these same people aided and abetted by the Government?