The Anglo Irish Tapes

listermint

Gringo180 wrote: »

The organisers of the protest have changed the location to the GPO now.

I will do that on Twitter now thanks alot, any other ideas how to get as much coverage as possible for this?

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According to Rueters we're outraged!

(Reuters) - Ireland's deputy prime
minister laid in to "arrogant" executives at a failed bank who mocked
government efforts to tackle the country's economic crisis amid growing public
outrage at the latest revelations in tapes of bank executive phone calls.


In the tapes published by the Irish Independent newspaper, the collapsed
Anglo Irish Bank's then-head of capital markets John Bowe was asked how it had
come up with a figure of 7 billion euros (5.9 billion pounds) for a rescue,
responding that he had "picked it out of my arse".







The bank eventually cost taxpayers some 30 billion euros during the financial
crisis, almost one-fifth of the country's annual output.





"We've had continuing negotiations with the ECB (European Central Bank) and
with European Union partners. What has come out of these tapes doesn't make our
job any easier - it makes it more difficult," Ireland's deputy prime minister
Eamon Gilmore said on Tuesday.





"I mean the degree of arrogance, the degree of hubris, the degree of
couldn't-care-less-about-the-taxpayer, about the Irish people, that seemed to
be part and parcel of the culture of that bank," Gilmore, attending a meeting
in Luxembourg, said.





In Dublin the story dominated television and radio news for a second day,
with almost all national papers splashing the story on their front pages.


"How come nobody's in Jail?" read the lead headline in the Irish Sun.


"We need action... not your sympathy," said the Irish Daily Mail, in an
appeal to Prime Minister Enda Kenny, whose initial reaction to the disclosures
was to say he understood the anger of the Irish people.


The Irish Independent released more details including Bowe singing the German
national anthem and laughing as he discussed the prospect of German money
flowing in after the guarantee on deposits.


"These guys in the banks lose billions and nothing ever
happens," said Noel Newman, a 78-year-old retiree in Dublin.


"On the tape they were laughing, joking. The way they said it was disgusting.
Unbelievable."


Many Irish, but particularly public service workers, have had their salaries
cut by 20 percent or more in order to meet fiscal deficit targets as part of
the loan guarantees for the country's international bailout.


The unemployment rate has trebled since the crisis to 14 percent after the
bank-and-land speculation property bubble burst.


Bowe and the other executive, consumer banking chief Peter Fitzgerald, said
they regretted the conversation but denied any wrongdoing or intention to
mislead the central bank.


Education Minister Ruairi Quinn, in an interview with state broadcaster RTE,
described the duplicity of Anglo management in their public and private
comments as "highly unethical and clearly immoral".



The 2008 blanket guarantee on bank liabilities led to an 85 billion euro
IMF/EU bailout and provoked widespread anger in the country of 4.6
million.


Ireland wants funds from the European
Stability Mechanism bailout fund to help reduce its debt burden from bailing
out its banks, but any application will be decided on
a case-by-case basis and could be complicated by questions over the
bailout.


EMBARRASSING

The opposition has called for a full inquiry into the collapse of the
financial system and the timing has embarrassed the government in the last week
of its six-month EU presidency.


"The government must stop its mock outrage, establish an inquiry
immediately," said Pearse Doherty, a senior member of opposition party Sinn
Fein.


The bloc's finance ministers agreed last week that the ESM will be able to
help recapitalise banks that ran into trouble in the past - which Ireland views
as vital to shore up its finances - but it will not give blanket permission for
the funding.

Anglo, which was liquidated earlier this year, brought a premature end to the
political career of former Prime Minister Brian Cowen, who was finance minister
during the years of reckless lending across Irish banks.





Three of the bank's former executives - not including Bowe and Fitzgerald -
will go on trial next year on fraud charges.


But despite all the disclosures, many voters remained sceptical that the
country's close knit elite would do what it takes to bring friends of friends
to justice.





"If it was any other country they would have been in prison by now," health
care worker Mary Mullerby, 62, said. "White-collar crime is something you get
away with in Ireland."





(Additional reporting by Conor Humphries; Editing by Michael Roddy)

I love the bit highligted. The same private school elite circle of friends that won't act against each other even if they screw over the people of Ireland.

Potatoeman

kraggy wrote: »

These tapes are probably the best thing to happen Fianna Fáil in the last 5 years. They're already top of the polls. This will cement their position meaning they could well be elected in to government in the next election.

That just shows how little we have learned from this whole mess.

TheFOB

What the fcuk was Alan Dukes doing in Anglo?? Did he not look for these tapes? He turned turncoat very quickly.

aloyisious

Name the offender.

AnOrdinaryJoe

Is there anything I can do to stop this feckin' Danske Bank ad continually appearing on my screen when I read the posts on this thread...... it's a bank...... a particularly nasty stinking bank...... and I don't want any of their coporporate bulls**t coming at me ?

AnOrdinaryJoe

AnOrdinaryJoe wrote: »

Is there anything I can do to stop this feckin' Danske Bank ad continually appearing on my screen when I read the posts on this thread...... it's a bank...... a particularly nasty stinking bank...... and I don't want any of their coporporate bulls**t coming at me ?

'corporate bulls**t' even

TheFOB

AnOrdinaryJoe wrote: »

Is there anything I can do to stop this feckin' Danske Bank ad continually appearing on my screen when I read the posts on this thread...... it's a bank...... a particularly nasty stinking bank...... and I don't want any of their coporporate bulls**t coming at me ?

Use Google Chrome and install "Ad Block Plus" as an extension. You will never see an ad on the internet again.

bumper234

AnOrdinaryJoe wrote: »

Is there anything I can do to stop this feckin' Danske Bank ad continually appearing on my screen when I read the posts on this thread...... it's a bank...... a particularly nasty stinking bank...... and I don't want any of their coporporate bulls**t coming at me ?

I used to find it ironic when reading this thread

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056954917

There would be ads for the Links creche chain...the same chain that was part of the expose in the thread.

Anyway back to the bankers.

BASTARDS!!!!:mad::mad::mad::mad:

Am Chile

awec wrote: »

It has nothing to do with having balls, people just don't want to be associated with that sort of crowd.

Can you tell me how it takes balls to give over some hard earned cash to a union every month for them to tell you how to think, and then go for a dander every so often when they feel the need to promote themselves?

Protests in Ireland have long been about ego. Too many superfluous "protests" where a load of sh!t was peddled by those sorts.

When I see people saying dont want to be associated with unions of left wing protesters-the way I see it-its just making excuses not to protest at all- at any public protest you cant exactly stop groups from coming out to protest and join in- if people dont want to march with them fine then dont- go to another section of the crowd away from trade union or left wing protesters if thats what you want- but please ffs dont make excuses I dont want to protest because this crowd and that crowd will be attending.

Standman

readyletsgo wrote: »

Not on FB or Twitter, can you please update us few that are not on these sites that what to join this protest.

Thanks

You don't need to be a member to click the link and view the details!

eamonnq

AnOrdinaryJoe wrote: »

'corporate bulls**t' even

If only there was an 'edit' button ?:D

Standman

Any protest I've been at, whatever the issue, seems to be hijacked by gobshiite socialists with revolution on the brain. Puts a lot of people of I reckon.

Boombastic

bumper234 wrote: »

I used to find it ironic when reading this thread

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056954917

There would be ads for the Links creche chain...the same chain that was part of the expose in the thread.

Anyway back to the bankers.

BASTARDS!!!!:mad::mad::mad::mad:

Could we put the bankers in to the creche for punishment? :pac:

Formalhaut

Am Chile wrote: »

When I see people saying dont want to be associated with unions of left wing protesters-the way I see it-its just making excuses not to protest at all- at any public protest you cant exactly stop groups from coming out to protest and join in- if people dont want to march with them fine then dont- go to another section of the crowd away from trade union or left wing protesters if thats what you want- but please ffs dont make excuses I dont want to protest because this crowd and that crowd will be attending.

Dead right. It's just making excuses for apathy.

You want to let those people own the protest? The best way to do that is by not stepping out your front door.

jobeenfitz

I don't know who leaked these tapes or why. If this was really a democratic country we would already know what happened. Hopefully something will come out of this although I wouldn't hold my breath.

listermint

Standman wrote: »

Any protest I've been at, whatever the issue, seems to be hijacked by gobshiite socialists with revolution on the brain. Puts a lot of people of I reckon.

Lets talk it down before it starts.


Im going out on a limb here and say that youve never been at a protest.

Formalhaut

Standman wrote: »

Any protest I've been at, whatever the issue, seems to be hijacked by gobshiite socialists with revolution on the brain. Puts a lot of people of I reckon.

It's exactly that attitude that leads to nothing in this country ever changing.

wes

Its amazing that there seem to be no progress towards any kind of arrests in this matter. I doubt we will see anything come of this, and just goes to show, one set of rules for the rich, and another set for the rest of us.

Sergeant

Standman wrote: »

Any protest I've been at, whatever the issue, seems to be hijacked by gobshiite socialists with revolution on the brain. Puts a lot of people of I reckon.

Or some Beard from a Trade Union on a 6 figure salary (with generous expenses) roaring about austerity and how James Connolly is spinning in his grave.

listermint

wes wrote: »

Its amazing that there seem to be no progress towards any kind of arrests in this matter. I doubt we will see anything come of this, and just goes to show, one set of rules for the rich, and another set for the rest of us.

Spread the word!


https://www.facebook.com/events/584494138262327/

aloyisious

TheFOB wrote: »

What the fcuk was Alan Dukes doing in Anglo?? Did he not look for these tapes? He turned turncoat very quickly.

My one abiding memory of Alan Dukes, a former Minister for Finance and former chairman of Anglo Irish bank and IBRC was when he defended Richie Boucher's €843,000 salary at BOI. He came from within Irish Financial circles..... IMO, He cannot be trusted to give an unbiased opinion.

https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CC0QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishmirror.ie%2Fincoming%2Fformer-anglo-irish-bank-boss-1775383&ei=TKLJUae1MfCb1AWs0YDwDA&usg=AFQjCNHzMOQTMwnaVeVkANWajDwyGJFZxw&bvm=bv.48293060,d.d2k

Edit,,,, listening to RTE and Eddie Hobb's. Seem's Eddie suspect's it was a Garda who gave the Indo their break, as he was pissed off at the way the culprits could not be touched. As for any Oireachtas committee hearings, if there is no criminal conviction and prison term directly from the hearings evidence, then they are a waste of our money. Merely knowing who's guilty is no substitute for the real deal, it's just a placebo, a waste of your and my money. Give me several sets of well-filled stocks on the plaza at the GPO and I might be happier, what with all the rotten fruit on Moore St so close by.

Busted Flat.

listermint wrote: »

Spread the word!


https://www.facebook.com/events/584494138262327/

All hippies and revolutionary types welcome, anyone know the words of "We shall overcome" :rolleyes:

MrPoker

jobeenfitz wrote: »

I don't know who leaked these tapes or why. If this was really a democratic country we would already know what happened. Hopefully something will come out of this although I wouldn't hold my breath.

Eddie Hobbs said on liveline there he thinks that it was leaked by the Gardai as they are frustrated at not being able to move the case forward. i.e. somebody doesn't want it to go to the courts. He could be on to something there as I imagine it could cause the downfall of many people. It really does seem there is lots more to the Anglo scandal than what meets the eye.

AnOrdinaryJoe

One of the (redacted) with trying to acquire (redacted) from banks is that (redacted) when someone requests information the (redacted) is refused and when it is supplied, often the (redacted) is in redacted format, meaning that the (redacted) does not read properly and is (redacted) to make any (redacted) out of, thus it is a total (redacted) of time.

That's one of the (redacted) re how these (redacted) operate.

Dyr

Busted Flat. wrote: »

All hippies and revolutionary types welcome, anyone know the words of "We shall overcome" :rolleyes:

Pussies need not apply, stick to moaning on forums

msg11

Protest won't hit the government intake tax wise. What everyone needs to do is call a general strike until something is done about these gangsters. I know in these times it hard to justify the loss in a few days work but if there's no money flowing in it will cause issues for the government.

I'm an sick of paying for this mess and no one giving a flying **** about what type of mess has been caused.

Billions and billions in tax's and yet this island is falling apart, not a cent for anything. Full time work non existent, people of all ages flooding out the doors, while the bill get's bigger for the rest of us, on operation clean up. Triple paying for some services.

I don't think Ireland needs to wake up, it's bigger than that the EU needs to wake up there been played for fools by the banks. There's even more justification now for telling the bond holders to piss off, the information provided was misleading making it null and void. That's what I would be told if I gave false information to an insurance company and then tried to claim.

listermint

Busted Flat. wrote: »

All hippies and revolutionary types welcome, anyone know the words of "We shall overcome" :rolleyes:

Let others speak on your behalf then, all your life.


(rolleyes)


We have been present to the largest scale robbery of YOUR money in the history of the irish state and that is the best you can come up with.


You should be ashamed.

NegativeCreep

AnOrdinaryJoe wrote: »

One of the (redacted) with trying to acquire (redacted) from banks is that (redacted) when someone requests information the (redacted) is refused and when it is supplied, often the (redacted) is in redacted format, meaning that the (redacted) does not read properly and is (redacted) to make any (redacted) out of, thus it is a total (redacted) of time.

That's one of the (redacted) re how these (redacted) operate.

What are you talking about? seriously.

Formalhaut

Busted Flat. wrote: »

All hippies and revolutionary types welcome, anyone know the words of "We shall overcome" :rolleyes:

What a helpful attitude. No point trying to change anything, because nothing ever changes.

That's why were in this mess. Do you not get it?