Springbok Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread

Emperor1989

Just thought I would start a thread on the Springboks for any like minded lovers of the rainbow nation.

There are playing Scotland today and with the Scots losing to Samoa last weekend, it is really looking like a hiding my be on there way.

South Africa: 15 Willie le Roux, 14 Bryan Habana, 13 JJ Engelbrecht, 12 Jean de Villiers (c), 11 Bjorn Basson, 10 Morné Steyn, 9 Ruan Pienaar, 8 Pierre Spies, 7 Arno Botha, 6 Marcell Coetzee, 5 Juandré Kruger, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Jannie du Plessis, 2 Adriaan Strauss, 1 Tendai Mtawarira.
Replacements: 16 Bismarck du Plessis, 17 Trevor Nyakane, 18 Coenie Oosthuizen, 19 Flip van der Merwe, 20 Siya Kolisi, 21 Piet van Zyl, 22 Pat Lambie, 23 Jan Serfontein.

A very strong team and bench today, Notable players are obviously Eben Etzebeth the best second row in the world and the 2 best hookers in the world on the bench and starting for South Africa. Finally Le Roux has replaced the awful Kirchner(Leinster bound and injured).

Steyn, Habana, Pienaar, Kruger are all based over see's next year.

Players such as Francois Steyn, JP Pieterson, Johan Goosen etc are not been included due to injury.

I believe South Africa have the talent to win the World Cup in 2015 and 2019. I believe a new golden generation is coming through and part of my reasoning for starting this thread.

Thanks

Emperor1989

A few names are less common so I go through them

17 Trevor Nyakane, 18 Coenie Oosthuizen

Both are part of the free state franchise called the Cheetahs and are being mentored and taught by the only man that is as revered as Nelson Mandela and that is of course OZ Du Randt. Coenie has been a bit of a Cian Healy type of player. From school every one knew how good he could be but its up to him to live up his potential. His scummaging at the highest level is not good enough but he is barely 22 I think. Trevor as another highly thought of player...bigger bulk than the beast and a very young player aswell.

Siya Kolisi

The form flanker in South Africa with a Lappies(who i will talk about again). Big giant of a man, another of these young exciting africa ethnic players that are flying through the ranks of south african rugby. Plays like Dan Lydiate

21 Piet van Zyl,

Form scrum half in SA, but overlooked due to Meyer kicking philosphy. Haven't seen much of him but I believe he has been sensational this year.

22 Pat Lambie,

Most should know about Lambie but he is still very young but yet to find his true place in a Springbok shirt...when Goosen is fit he is no1 fly half


23 Jan Serfontein

Massive reputation being best player u20s last year but has gone straight into the bulls set up and dominated...big future

razorblunt

Castle lager any good?

marc96

Keep an eye on Arno Botha.number 7.great player and big only 21

Emperor1989

marc96 wrote: »

Keep an eye on Arno Botha.number 7.great player and big only 21

Yeah initially the Saffers were disappointed with his inclusion but he was very impressive last week so much as to say he was the best player on the park.

Coetzee had a huge year last year but just struggling a bit this year....on form he does not deserve to be there.

Never tried castle lager lol

Emperor1989

Let's go....

Emperor1989

Looks like Botha seriously injured.

Terribly unlucky

almighty1

Great try Scotland. Totally deserved. Outplaying the Saffers.

Emperor1989

Yeah Scotland playing great stuff!

Emperor1989

What aren't South Africa taking them on around the fringes?? they are bringing nothing to the ruck. Scotland are just fanning across.

Crazy stuff and De Villers not going for goal is another poor decision. Not a bok Captain in any mould IMO.

Emperor1989

Pienaar also incredibly slow around the break down

matthew8

Embarassing for the Springboks. Losing to Scotland without any of their best players. Hard to think of one good performer in the first half.

Emperor1989

matthew8 wrote: »

Embarassing for the Springboks. Losing to Scotland without any of their best players. Hard to think of one good performer in the first half.

It is embarassing....no other word

matthew8

Jesus Christ they may actually win this.

Emperor1989

This is arguably one of the most poorly drilled South African performances I have ever seen.

There defensive coach needs to be fired....gaps everywhere.

matthew8

Emperor1989 wrote: »

This is arguably one of the most poorly drilled South African performances I have ever seen.

There defensive coach needs to be fired....gaps everywhere.

In fairness the Scots are obstructing all over the place. What I'm annoyed with is the lack of any cutting edge in attack.

Emperor1989

Not sure how the Boks can rescue this.

Clearly Bismark would have a big impact but he isn't fit.

I think Pienaar needs to go his performance has terrible.

Need to empty the bench now!!

matthew8

Emperor1989 wrote: »

Not sure how the Boks can rescue this.

Clearly Bismark would have a big impact but he isn't fit.

I think Pienaar needs to go his performance has terrible.

Need to empty the bench now!!

From my watching of the Cheetahs Oosthuizen and Van Zyl would really add a spark. Unfortunately Oosthuizen is viewed as a TH, and he's not very good there.

Emperor1989

matthew8 wrote: »

In fairness the Scots are obstructing all over the place. What I'm annoyed with is the lack of any cutting edge in attack.

Scots getting away with murder around the breakdown..

I notice that Louw obviously is not there and Brussow exclusion will grow.

trouttrout

Morne Steyn is one of the most boring 10's in test rugby history

Emperor1989

South Africa need a Bakkies Botha or a Schalk Burger.....someone to smash a player off the ball and physical intemediate the opposition

matthew8

Emperor1989 wrote: »

South Africa need a Bakkies Botha or a Schalk Burger.....someone to smash a player off the ball and physical intemediate the opposition

Etzebeth could be that if he wanted to. Brussouw is a natural at that sort of thing too. Bismarck too.

Tox56

Ah here that's ridiculous, never a yellow

CIARAN_BOYLE

Emperor1989 wrote: »

I think Pienaar needs to go his performance has terrible.

Not watching it but how is Pienaar's performance terrible.

Is he just playing 9 and giving the ball to an incompetant 10, or is he trying to control the game from 10 and messing it up?

trouttrout

Tox56 wrote: »

Ah here that's ridiculous, never a yellow

commentary was hilarious, nothing in it. Estabeth really hasn't impressed me from what I've seen of him

Emperor1989

Poite is taking the piss...they are playing the ball all over the floor

Emperor1989

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Not watching it but how is Pienaar's performance terrible.

Is he just playing 9 and giving the ball to an incompetant 10, or is he trying to control the game from 10 and messing it up?

He is taking a age to get the ball away....he is taking steps with the ball and taking meters from the back row that he is passing too. His kicking is poor.

Its just a complete mess, compare him to Du Preez...jeez

sock puppet

trouttrout wrote: »

commentary was hilarious, nothing in it. Estabeth really hasn't impressed me from what I've seen of him

Suppose it was deserved after Dunbar's vicious and brutal assault on Habana.

matthew8

At last SA lead. On the yellow, it's pretty clear in professional rugby the referees don't like you to be sticking your hand in an opposing player's face off the ball.

Emperor1989

Good try...JJ Englebrecht much maligned for the Bulls is out showing his captain

schools rugby

Pienaar reminds me of a JCT scrumhalf who really doesnt care whats going on

Emperor1989

Scotland should have 3 men binned by now.

Poite is having a mare

trouttrout

Emperor1989 wrote: »

Scotland should have 3 men binned by now.

Poite is having a mare

I think Poite is reffing it pretty well tbh, bar the yellow card. But that was the tmo

Emperor1989

schools rugby wrote: »

Pienaar reminds me of a JCT scrumhalf who really doesnt care whats going on

This is the problem with the coach....he is not doing it but keeps him on?

matthew8

Emperor1989 wrote: »

I believe South Africa have the talent to win the World Cup in 2015 and 2019. I believe a new golden generation is coming through and part of my reasoning for starting this thread.

Kiss of death right there.

Emperor1989

Sorry but how many times have Scotland taking the man in the air in the line outs. Its incredible how no one is noticing it

trouttrout

That one with the dragons from Game Of Thrones is having a good game at 6

Emperor1989

Bismark coming on.

Good to see

matthew8

Pat Lambie, what an inspired subsitution.

Emperor1989

How can Meyer now leave Brussow out of the squad and especially with Louw out.

Clearly they have lost that battle by miles

Emperor1989

Emperor1989 wrote: »

Bismark coming on.

Good to see

Done more work on the ground that Spies and Coetzee combined

trouttrout

Terrible call from Poite there, perfect steal from Scottish 23

Gidea

How was that not a penalty to Scotland for holding on

Emperor1989

Good try by young Serforntein

trouttrout

Wow, that was beyond awful from Denton

Scotland played well and can feel aggrieved about the yellow and that penalty at the end

Emperor1989

Very poor performance by South Africa.

Rudderless at 9 and 10. No leadership up front and De Villers went backwards and did not lead by example.

The bench made the difference.

Bismark showed his work and should get a full 80 next week

marc96

Boks played terrible but let's but forget the scots try should not have been given for obstruction!the yellow was correct as u can't push a player open handed in the face,rules are rules.scots number 6 should have been binned too.alot if work to be done with the boks but still showed character to win.

Hope Botha will be back soon.

Emperor1989

South Africa: 15 Willie le Roux, 14 Bryan Habana, 13 JJ Engelbrecht, 12 Jean de Villiers (c) / Jan Serfontein, 11 Bjorn Basson, 10 Morné Steyn, 9 Ruan Pienaar, 8 Pierre Spies, 7 Willem Alberts / Siya Kolisi, 6 Francois Louw, 5 Flip van der Merwe, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Jannie du Plessis, 2 Adriaan Strauss, 1 Tendai Mtawarira.
Replacements: 16 Bismarck du Plessis, 17 Trevor Nyakane, 18 Coenie Oosthuizen, 19 Juandré Kruger, 20 Siya Kolisi / Marcell Coetzee, 21 Piet van Zyl, 22 Pat Lambie, 23 Jan Serfontein / Juan de Jongh


Loads more beef up front with Flip Van Der Merve and William Alberts and Francois Louw all back in. Prob a extra 5 stone combined added to the pack. Louw for me is the leader of this springbok pack and team for me. A class class act.

matthew8

Tbh I really don't rate Louw at this level. Keeps Heinrich Brussouw out because Meyer seems to think being 6 foot 4 is the be all and end all. This should be very interesting. SA need a big performance and Loftus is the ground to produce it. Wouldn't be surprised though if Samoa thrive on the intimidating surroundings.

Emperor1989

matthew8 wrote: »

Tbh I really don't rate Louw at this level. Keeps Heinrich Brussouw out because Meyer seems to think being 6 foot 4 is the be all and end all. This should be very interesting. SA need a big performance and Loftus is the ground to produce it. Wouldn't be surprised though if Samoa thrive on the intimidating surroundings.

Ideally you would love to see Brussow be playing and Brussow is a fantastic player....but Meyer is stubborn and Louw is only alternative and i do actually mean only. He has added physicality and a good line out option as well.

This will be a very interesting game.

matthew8

I think Louw is great for Bath but the SA pack is imbalanced with him at 6. It's a shame Brussouw's going off to Japan which means he can still play super xv but no internationals. It's clear though that Meyer simply doesn't rate him so it's fair enough to try and get a nice payday and maybe come back when a new coach is installed.