Extermination through sterilisation - the solution to "skangerism"

SeanW

The OP might be on to a point: I don't think there's a "scumbag gene" per se, I think scumbags are more products of their environment. I.E. most people are decent because they were raised by their parents, others were just dragged up to become feral animals. It is right, therefore, to ask why someone should be allowed to have children when they clealry have no intention of raising them.

old hippy wrote: »

Oh this is ridiculous. Tell us what the benefit it is, say, of you having children? Why would your being allowed reproduce be any better than them?

I understand your concern. But most people think that rights come with responsibilities. For example you have the right to your freedom - but only as long as you respect the rights of others. Fail to do, e.g. by committing a crime against someone else, you lose your right to liberty.

It's not an absolute.

But if you think that the right to have children is an absolute, could you please comment on this story?
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056054027
Is it right that this man had 20 children, presumably never did any work in his life to support any of them, it's blindingly obvious he didn't raise any of them, yet he fathered child after child all of them on the dole, all of them in and out of court on a regular basis, with one of them at each sitting of the Sligo court?

What impact did his version of family planning have on society? Would you be happy if each of his 20 scumbags spawned 20 scumbags each? After another generation you would have 400 scumbags drawing dole from the rest of society and committing crimes against members of said society as a matter of routine.

How long do you think society would continue to function like that?

pennypocket

jasonbourne.cs wrote: »

all of them ... simultaneously ... and it just happened to be beech weather

right :rolleyes:

Beeches are lovely trees. I love a lovely tree.

The King of Moo wrote: »

Post of the day!? What the absolute f*ck!? [...]
Most fascists would respect the intelligence of their potential followers to not immediately suggest ludicrously extreme actions such as mass enforced sterilisation, but then they never came across the great minds of After Hours.

All of the armchair fascists on boards should be force-fed (force-read?) 1984 until it bleeds out of their tiny little skulls. Luckily enough, they will never attach their real life names to their shítty opinions, because they know they are shít and they would be ostracised in real life for the stupid. This kind of boards fúckwittery should be blasted with piss. So I am pissing all over it.

Coutinho 10

After reading this thread for the last few days. I was in Dublin today and I swear all I saw was skangers everywhere! Every Luas stop had them but none were getting on the Luas, They were all over the board walks on the Liffey. They were outside every fast food place. They were sitting on every corner and on every bridge.

All I could think off was World War Z and The Walking Dead but instead of Zombies we are been overrun by Skangers!!

I ran for my life and I am glad to be down the country now where you only come across the odd skanger every now and then, But I must say that every now and then is getting more common.

Maybe just maybe Zombies are Skangers!

pennypocket

SeanW wrote: »

The OP might be on to a point: I don't think there's a "scumbag gene" per se, I think scumbags are more products of their environment. I.E. most people are decent because they were raised by their parents, others were just dragged up to become feral animals. It is right, therefore, to ask why someone should be allowed to have children when they clealry have no intention of raising them.

I understand your concern. But most people think that rights come with responsibilities. For example you have the right to your freedom - but only as long as you respect the rights of others. Fail to do, e.g. by committing a crime against someone else, you lose your right to liberty.

It's not an absolute.

But if you think that the right to have children is an absolute, could you please comment on this story?
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056054027
Is it right that this man had 20 children, presumably never did any work in his life to support any of them, it's blindingly obvious he didn't raise any of them, yet he fathered child after child all of them on the dole, all of them in and out of court on a regular basis, with one of them at each sitting of the Sligo court?

What impact did his version of family planning have on society? Would you be happy if each of his 20 scumbags spawned 20 scumbags each? After another generation you would have 400 scumbags drawing dole from the rest of society and committing crimes against members of said society as a matter of routine.

How long do you think society would continue to function like that?

Love the certainty of your logic. The exponential of spawning scumbags, 20 x 20 then in a generation there's 400! This eventuality was certainly understood in the pioneering work of earlier exponents. Don't write your paper until you have the data worked out. Still, such a beautiful mind. Your clarity of vision is wasted in the dregs of a forum such as boards. "How long do you think society would continue to function like that?" Not long Sean W if we don't do something drastic. It's not as if Tom Ward is an unique case in this country. Best we nip it in the bud now via mass sterilisation of the scumbags. Boards can have a poll on the selection criteria.

steddyeddy

Coutinho 10 wrote: »

After reading this thread for the last few days. I was in Dublin today and I swear all I saw was skangers everywhere! Every Luas stop had them but none were getting on the Luas, They were all over the board walks on the Liffey. They were outside every fast food place. They were sitting on every corner and on every bridge.

All I could think off was World War Z and The Walking Dead but instead of Zombies we are been overrun by Skangers!!

I ran for my life and I am glad to be down the country now where you only come across the odd skanger every now and then, But I must say that every now and then is getting more common.

Maybe just maybe Zombies are Skangers!

That's funny I was in Dublin today and didn't have that experience.

pennypocket

Coutinho 10 wrote: »

I was in Dublin today and I swear all I saw was skangers everywhere! [...]
Maybe just maybe Zombies are Skangers!

Ha!! All the people I look down on are zombie-skangers! Ha! I watch George A. Romero films (and their spawn) without understanding them at all! lol.

The King of Moo

Coutinho 10 wrote: »

After reading this thread for the last few days. I was in Dublin today and I swear all I saw was skangers everywhere! Every Luas stop had them but none were getting on the Luas, They were all over the board walks on the Liffey. They were outside every fast food place. They were sitting on every corner and on every bridge.

All I could think off was World War Z and The Walking Dead but instead of Zombies we are been overrun by Skangers!!

I ran for my life and I am glad to be down the country now where you only come across the odd skanger every now and then, But I must say that every now and then is getting more common.

Maybe just maybe Zombies are Skangers!

What crimes were they committing? I'm surprised I didn't hear about such an outbreak of crime on the news.

Coutinho 10

The King of Moo wrote: »

What crimes were they committing? I'm surprised I didn't hear about such an outbreak of crime on the news.

Where did I say anything about anyboby committing a crime??

The King of Moo

Coutinho 10 wrote: »

Where did I say anything about anyboby committing a crime??

How would you define a "skanger?"

Coutinho 10

The King of Moo wrote: »

How would you define a skanger?

How do you define sarcasm?

SeanW

pennypocket wrote: »

Love the certainty of your logic. Such a beautiful mind. Your clarity of vision is wasted in the dregs of a forum such as boards. "How long do you think society would continue to function like that?" Not long Sean W if we don't do something drastic. It's not as if Tom Ward is an unique case in this country. Best we nip it in the bud now via mass sterilisation of the scumbags. Boards can have a poll on the selection criteria.

Actually no; sterlisation is not necessarily the answer, there are a number of far less drastic things that could be done.

I am merely suggesting that none of you liberal leftists have given any alternative. The fundamental problem is that these scumbags were not raised by their parents. Additionally, the law enforcement and welfare systems seem to enable people like the above to just spawn scumbag after scumbag with no fear of any adverse consequences.

Consider a country I admire greatly: Japan. In that part of the world, saving face in society is a major goal in their culture. If a child/teenager does something bad, it reflects badly on the parents, who lose face in the eyes of their peers unless the parent is seen to offer a heartfelt apology for their errant young-uns. That system seems to work, and Japan is one of the safest countries in the world to live in (if not the safest) and people look out for each other a lot more there.

I suggest therefore that the problem of people not raising their children is largely responsible for the problem of scumbaggery and wonder what the solution is.
Place restrictions (such as good behaviour bonds) for welfare-lifers having children? Dock parents welfare for incidents of "anti-social behaviour" by their children? If they're not on welfare, could we have some element of criminal punishment parents of scummy 'children?' Could we somehow fundamentally alter our culture so that it's like Japan, where public safety and respect for your fellow citizen is "cool?"

I have heard nothing from the PC left that they would consider any of these - so we just continue doing nothing while feral animals continue to make life miserable for decent people in all strata of society. And we allow them to breed with no consequences, so each generation has more welfare-dependent scumbags than the last. Ergo, it makes sane people want to look for more severe options.

The King of Moo

Coutinho 10 wrote: »

How do you define sarcasm?

What's the point of sarcasm (which is mostly dependent on tone of voice, I should point out), when it would be indistinguishable from the idiotic drivel filling this thread?

steddyeddy

Unfortunately it's the leftist idea of private schools that is contributing to a two tier society. Not wanting people sterilized isn't leftist, it's simple humanity.

Elmer Blooker

The King of Moo wrote: »

How would you define a "skanger?"

I have no idea where "moo" is but if you're in Dublin get on the DART over the weekend and you will quickly find out. The "skangers" are the vermin who will terrorise the decent people who want to enjoy a sunny day at the seaside with their kids.
I wouldn't get on the DART this weekend for a million euro and there won't be a cop in sight as the "services" that our property taxes fund doesn't include policing.

steddyeddy

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

I have no idea where "moo" is but if you're in Dublin get on the DART over the weekend and you will quickly find out. The "skangers" are the vermin who will terrorise the decent people who want to enjoy a sunny day at the seaside with their kids.
I wouldn't get on the DART this weekend for a million euro.

Again Elmer skanger of vermin aren't taxonomical terms. You're going to have to expand on the definition of those in relation to human beings. Just it seems some people are just labeling people they don't like with these terms.

The King of Moo

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

I have no idea where "moo" is but if you're in Dublin get on the DART over the weekend and you will quickly find out. The "skangers" are the vermin who will terrorise the decent people who want to enjoy a sunny day at the seaside with their kids.
I wouldn't get on the DART this weekend for a million euro.

What do they do?
Do they only target decent people with kids at beaches?
I've spent a lot of time in different parts of Dublin city and county including many beaches on sunny days, and I've never seen anyone being terrorised in any way. I'm not saying it never happens, but I'm positive that it doesn't happen often enough to warrant the ignorant bile being spewed here.

pennypocket

SeanW wrote: »

Actually no; sterlisation is not necessarily the answer, there are a number of far less drastic things that could be done.

I am merely suggesting that none of you liberal leftists have given any alternative. The fundamental problem is that these scumbags were not raised by their parents. Additionally, the law enforcement and welfare systems seem to enable people like the above to just spawn scumbag after scumbag with no fear of any adverse consequences.

Consider a country I admire greatly: Japan. In that part of the world, saving face in society is a major goal in their culture. If a child/teenager does something bad, it reflects badly on the parents, who lose face in the eyes of their peers unless the parent is seen to offer a heartfelt apology for their errant young-uns. That system seems to work, and Japan is one of the safest countries in the world to live in (if not the safest) and people look out for each other a lot more there.

I suggest therefore that the problem of people not raising their children is largely responsible for the problem of scumbaggery and wonder what the solution is.
Place restrictions (such as good behaviour bonds) for welfare-lifers having children? Dock parents welfare for incidents of "anti-social behaviour" by their children? If they're not on welfare, could we have some element of criminal punishment parents of scummy 'children?' Could we somehow fundamentally alter our culture so that it's like Japan, where public safety and respect for your fellow citizen is "cool?"

I have heard nothing from the PC left that they would consider any of these - so we just continue doing nothing while feral animals continue to make life miserable for decent people in all strata of society. Ergo, it makes sane people want to look for more severe options.

Ha. Spoken like a person who has never been to Japan. Of course you don't believe in forced sterilisation, that would be a stupid person. But yet, your language betrays you: 'feral animal', 'spawn scumbag after scumbag' 'severe options', 'scummy children'.

Maybe, perhaps, just, maybe, the atomisation of Irish society - culture, community, solidarity, has a lot more to do with the choices we make in the first place (i.e. we are an economy first, not a society). You cannot blame a canary for dying in a poisonous mine nor can you disadvantage a child for the circumstances of their birth.

Elmer Blooker

Go to the forty foot tomorrow then and have a nice day.

The King of Moo

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

Go to the forty foot tomorrow then and have a nice day.

I'm working tomorrow and I wouldn't have time to go there afterwards.

Could you answer my questions instead?

pennypocket

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

I have no idea where "moo" is but if you're in Dublin get on the DART over the weekend and you will quickly find out. The "skangers" are the vermin who will terrorise the decent people who want to enjoy a sunny day at the seaside with their kids.
I wouldn't get on the DART this weekend for a million euro and there won't be a cop in sight as the "services" that our property taxes fund doesn't include policing.

"Vermin". Great. The old language of hate resurrects itself (aka early modern, even medieval antisemitism - push them down the wells). Seriously Elmer Blooker, check yourself, do it regularly and then do it again. Don't call other human beings vermin and enter the twenty-first century.

Elmer Blooker

ok then, people not vermin - sorry
I would challenge any of you to go to the forty foot tomorrow and stay for more than five minutes.

The King of Moo

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

ok then, people not vermin - sorry
I would challenge any of you to go to the forty foot tomorrow and stay for more than five minutes.

I won't be able to make it there. What would happen if I did?

pennypocket

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

ok then, people not vermin - sorry
I would challenge any of you to go to the forty foot tomorrow and stay for more than five minutes.

But maybe that's just life. In general. I'm stuck in traffic and I'm pissed with my fellow motorists. I'm in a queue for the till and somone's prodding their basket up my ass. At that point, I need to remember this is water. On a summer's day, the seaside is jammed with all of humanity. That's life. If you don't like it, don't go there. You can't just arbitrarily ban all those you consider to be 'scumbags' from public life. Where would it end? We have enough walled gardens and ghettos as it is.

bodice ripper

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

ok then, people not vermin - sorry
I would challenge any of you to go to the forty foot tomorrow and stay for more than five minutes.

My mates go there. What are y sayin about me mates?

Skinnykenyan

Dig a big hole
Fill it with scumbags
Cover hole
Repeat

Helps society and all also helps the economy by making good fertiliser. Sometimes my genius ideas amaze me.....

pennypocket

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

ok then, people not vermin - sorry
I would challenge any of you to go to the forty foot tomorrow and stay for more than five minutes.

I am happy you see that people are people. That is a good thing. Perhaps you are just antisocial like me? Read the David Foster Wallace article, it could be enlightening:)

Terry1985

pennypocket wrote: »

"Vermin". Great. The old language of hate resurrects itself (aka early modern, even medieval antisemitism - push them down the wells). Seriously Elmer Blooker, check yourself, do it regularly and then do it again. Don't call other human beings vermin and enter the twenty-first century.

You'd swear the twenty first century was a perfect utopia :rolleyes:

You live in a safe little middle class bubble, driving to work, not using public transport.

There's a lot of decent hard working people on Ireland who are carrying the country with their taxes. Why should they have to tolerate their house being robbed when they're at work, phone robbed in the city, by people whose attitude to society absolutely stinks. An attitude that is passed on to their children who we also have to pick up the bill for.

Instead of criticizing people who are crying out for something to be done about these dysfunctional people/families why don't you enlighten us with your answers?

SeanW

pennypocket wrote: »

Ha. Spoken like a person who has never been to Japan.

I suppose you have? And I'm sure you found the place a hellhole of people robbing each other on the street, strung out druggies all over the place and every field and side alley filled with burned out cars?
:rolleyes:
Did you ****.

Of course you don't believe in forced sterilisation, that would be a stupid person. But yet, your language betrays you: 'feral animal', 'spawn scumbag after scumbag' 'severe options', 'scummy children'.

Because some people fit that description - they behave like feral scumbags and should be treated as such.

Maybe, perhaps, just, maybe, the atomisation of Irish society - culture, community, solidarity, has a lot more to do with the choices we make in the first place (i.e. we are an economy first, not a society). You cannot blame a canary for dying in a poisonous mine nor can you disadvantage a child for the circumstances of their birth.

Maybe, perhaps, just maybe, you don't know jack **** about how I arrived at my conclusions or my own personal circumstances.

I don't really care to share my life story here but suffice it say that many of the factors that supposidly cause people to grow into scumbags were and remain present in my own life. Yet for some reason I never felt the need to go "joyriding" in stolen cars (and subsequently burning them out), abuse animals, rob people to buy drugs, vandalise public property, throw bricks at passing trains, attack firefighters and guards etc.

Maybe, perhaps just maybe, it's because I was raised at home, unlike Mr. Wards 20 children and the legions of scumbags that roam our fair isle making life miserable for whoever they can. It should also be noted that not all scumbags are from the lower classes - give some rich kid some drink and his/her true nature might come out just as easily.

And you're right: I don't want forced sterilisation. I want PC leftists like you, old-hippy etc to present alternatives! Show me what alternative there is to people like that who have children they don't want to raise, and I'll back it. Until that time you should explain why allowing people like that to have children, paid for by everyone else, is a good idea.

pennypocket

SeanW wrote: »

Actually no; sterlisation is not necessarily the answer, there are a number of far less drastic things that could be done.

*Sterilisation* (or with a z for americanized spelling). How about I head a campaign to sterilise all first-born males who cannot spell properly and didn't get their English grammar? (Aka all the fascists in this thread). I shall eat, shoot and leave.

SeanW

pennypocket wrote: »

*Sterilisation* (or with a z for americanized spelling). How about I head a campaign to sterilise all first-born males who cannot spell properly and didn't get their English grammar? (Aka all the fascists in this thread). I shall eat, shoot and leave.

Wow, you caught me on a typographical error. :rolleyes:

That's really mature.

Going into pedantic-idiot mode:
You forgot to captialise the A in *Americanized.* Did you not get your English grammar?
/pedantic-idiot mode