Extermination through sterilisation - the solution to "skangerism"

mike65

Since the sun put its hat on Dublin has seen riots on a beach in Portmarnock, a gang of feral youths in near Dalkey smash up some poor chaps car while he was in it, that same gang terrorise passengers on a bus and last night a train was invaded by louts on the journey between Pearse Street Station and Maynooth. Blood was spilt before the Guards arrived.

Rather than wring our hands at the horror of it all, is it time to just acknowledge
that there is a strata of society that will never be reformed regardless of best intentions and state spending and that sterilisation of the Skanger class is the best way forward. It won't catch all the bad genes but certainly a large % will be wiped out without killing anyone.

endacl

Oh dear..

Festy

81,000 posts :eek:

danniemcq

mike65 wrote: »

Since the sun put its hat on Dublin has seen riots on a beach in Portmarnock, a gang of feral youths in near Dalkey smash up some poor chaps car while he was in it, that same gang terrorise passengers on a bus and last night a train was invaded by louts on the journey between Pearse Street Station and Maynooth. Blood was spilt before the Guards arrived.

Rather than wring our hands at the horror of it all, is it time to just acknowledge
that there is a strata of society that will never be reformed regardless of best intentions and state spending and that sterilisation of the Skanger class is the best way forward. It won't catch all the bad genes but certainly a large % will be wiped out without killing anyone.

or.....

just nuke Dublin and wall up Limerick.

kylith

In theory eugenics is a good idea... In theory.

Seachmall

I'm not entirely opposed to this, but the idea of mass steralisation is something that raises an eyebrow for me.

I've no idea why. I'm fully in favour of "life meaning life" in terms of sentencing which would effectively remove that persons ability to reproduce anyway. If a 30 year old goes to prison for life his chances of reproducing are, or at least should be, the exact same if he were steralised.

The assumed absolute right to reproduce becomes redundant when there are easy and widely accepted workarounds (such as locking that person up).


Perhaps we could give the option of reduced prison sentences for sterilisation volunteers.


Did I seriously just write that?

topper75

mike65 wrote: »

... sterilisation of the Skanger class is the best way forward. It won't catch all the bad genes but certainly a large % will be wiped out without killing anyone.

I'm on board if you can get some sharp criteria down. Let's hear it.

danniemcq wrote: »

or.....

just nuke Dublin and wall up Limerick.

Your cartoon view of Ireland is amusing to me. I'm taking it you don't have much experience with either city.

The Backwards Man

I have a similarly stupid better idea. How about we non-skanger people simply outbreed the skangers? The government could implement a pay-as-you-go sex grant to encourage increased sexual activity among the decent people of Ireland.

endacl

kylith wrote: »

In theory eugenics is a good idea... In theory.

For genetic issues. In theory...

OP sounds like finalsolution-lite.

y0pperz

Offer them incentives
a €20 note, pack of john player blue cigarettes and 6-pack of dutch gold in return for forced sterilization should get rid of a large percent of them.

wesf

Totally agree, said as much in another thread.

Seachmall

endacl wrote: »

For genetic issues.

Ah yes, there's the problem.

Can't remove a class issue from the gene pool.

Wattle

I think we should enclose offending areas where these scumbags come from with Berlin style walls. Let people who work out everyday because they are contributing to society but the rest are on lockdown.

wesf

Actually one night while having a few drinks with friends we were talking about this subject.
I came up with an amazing idea, here it is:
Choose a county nobody likes, lets say Roscommon, fence it off Jurassic Park style, take all the normal people and move them elsewhere while leaving the scumbags there.
Round up all the other scumbags around the country and throw them in also.
Here comes the best bit, charge people, stag do's etc, to enter the park on a hunting weekend, you get to hunt down and kill scumbags, while generating money for the country also, win win for everyone!!

danniemcq

Seachmall wrote: »

I'm not entirely opposed to this, but the idea of mass steralisation is something that raises an eyebrow for me.

I've no idea why. I'm fully in favour of "life meaning life" in terms of sentencing which would effectively remove that persons ability to reproduce anyway. If a 30 year old goes to prison for life his chances of reproducing are, or at least should be, the exact same if he were steralised.

The assumed absolute right to reproduce becomes redundant when there are easy and widely accepted workarounds (such as locking that person up).


Perhaps we could give the option of reduced prison sentences for sterilisation volunteers.

Did I seriously just write that?

its quite an odd one, it could work. Wasn't there something about rapists getting reduced sentances for being castrated.

or maybe i was readin the onion.

On the plus side though mass sterilisation would lead to a reduction in people to feed and people to consume limited resources.

very much like a tv show that Channel 4 recently done. Won't say anymore though as giving the name would ruin the series!

danniemcq

Seachmall wrote: »

Ah yes, there's the problem.

Can't remove a class issue from the gene pool.

not with that attitude

General General

We just need prisons that are fairly spartan & with hard labour. Properly monitored, so that these are not inhumane... I'm thinking a prison where you have to do the equivalent of footing the turf for eight hours or more, every day... the kind of living accommodation & food that you would expect in the Foreign Legion (or Donegal gaeltacht (har de har)).

On exit, everyone gets paid a few quid backpay for the work you did, but in food or education vouchers.

Eh, I'm sure this idea could be improved on... but that's the basics of it.

Seachmall

danniemcq wrote: »

its quite an odd one, it could work. Wasn't there something about rapists getting reduced sentances for being castrated.

or maybe i was readin the onion.

There are clinics available in the US where convicted pedophiles can choose to go to "rehabilitate" themselves with the option of chemical castration.

Maybe that's what you're thinking about?

Louis Theroux has a documentary on it I believe.

Links234

Wow, we're talking about exterminating the lower classes? beautiful, AH... absolutely beautiful.

that's gonna take a lot of work though, maybe we should relocate these undesirables to camps, so we can er, concentrate our efforts there. then it would be much easier to move on to other undesirable classes, such as jews, gypsies, homosexuals, socialists and others

**** sake

danniemcq

topper75 wrote: »

Your cartoon view of Ireland is amusing to me. I'm taking it you don't have much experience with either city.

Spent some time in Limerick and its the only place i've been given fake money, the rest of it i see in news

Dublin? been (well attempted to be) mugged there, got started a few times for no reason etc plus in the OP both incidents were in....? plus its full of dubliners who think nothing exists outside the pale.

Hence only walling off Limerick but nuking Dublin

bodice ripper

mike65 wrote: »

Since the sun put its hat on Dublin has seen riots on a beach in Portmarnock, a gang of feral youths in near Dalkey smash up some poor chaps car while he was in it, that same gang terrorise passengers on a bus and last night a train was invaded by louts on the journey between Pearse Street Station and Maynooth. Blood was spilt before the Guards arrived.

Rather than wring our hands at the horror of it all, is it time to just acknowledge
that there is a strata of society that will never be reformed regardless of best intentions and state spending and that sterilisation of the Skanger class is the best way forward. It won't catch all the bad genes but certainly a large % will be wiped out without killing anyone.

Is that your final solution OP?

danniemcq

Links234 wrote: »

Wow, we're talking about exterminating the lower classes? beautiful, AH... absolutely beautiful.

that's gonna take a lot of work though, maybe we should relocate these undesirables to camps, so we can er, concentrate our efforts there. then it would be much easier to move on to other undesirable classes, such as jews, gypsies, homosexuals, socialists and others

**** sake

meybe if they concentrated more in School, in fact there should be camps to help them.

we could call them concentration camps...

mike65

topper75 wrote: »

I'm on board if you can get some sharp criteria down. Let's hear it.

They would need to fulfil 3 of the following criteria

Failed to sit Leaving Cert exams
No history of having worked
No history of either parent having worked, assuming fit to work
Having been the subject of more than one call out by the Guards to their home
Having been banned from a public bar
Made more than one phone call or 2 texts to FM 104s Adrian Kennedy

danniemcq

Seachmall wrote: »

There are clinics available in the US where convicted pedophiles can choose to go to "rehabilitate" themselves with the option of chemical castration.

Maybe that's what you're thinking about?

Louis Theroux has a documentary on it I believe.

yeah i believe it was something like that.

it kinda makes sense, by removing the i guess need/want it would reduce the urge to do it again

PucaMama

yes thats a great idea because its only ever lower class people who act like thugs :rolleyes:

General General

Links234 wrote: »

**** sake

No need for language like that... bringing down the tone of the thread.

Wattle

Links234 wrote: »

Wow, we're talking about exterminating the lower classes? beautiful, AH... absolutely beautiful.

that's gonna take a lot of work though, maybe we should relocate these undesirables to camps, so we can er, concentrate our efforts there. then it would be much easier to move on to other undesirable classes, such as jews, gypsies, homosexuals, socialists and others

**** sake

Only the one's that are offenders. Don't offend nothing to worry about.

endacl

mike65 wrote: »

They would need to fulfil 3 of the following criteria

Failed to sit Leaving Cert exams
No history of having worked
No history of either parent having worked, assuming fit to work
Having been the subject of more than one call out by the Guards to their home
Having been banned from a public bar
Made more than one phone call or 2 texts to FM 104s Adrian Kennedy

I know several people who could tick the first three of those. They're not 'skangers' though. You'd probably like them in fact. Very decent people.

hfallada

Or maybe the government could teach family planning and make it affordable.

Links234

You know, there is an organization that pays drug users if they opt to be sterilized

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Prevention

seems dodgy as hell and completely unethical, though not as extreme as AH seems to like, so it might be up your alley guys

endacl

Wattle wrote: »

Only the one's that are offenders. Don't offend nothing to worry about.

Unfortunately though, there are some who find their social status, accent, fashion sense etc, offensive. And who can't seem to see beyond these.

Oink

Don't hold back there OP. Let me google that just to clarify. Is this what we're talking about?

http://untreaty.un.org/cod/icc/statute/99_corr/cstatute.htm

[SIZE=-1]Article 7[/SIZE] [SIZE=-1]Crimes against humanity
[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][SIZE=-1](g) Rape, sexual slavery, enforced prostitution, forced pregnancy, enforced sterilization, or any other form of sexual violence of comparable gravity;


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bedrock#1

Thread should be closed - If this was about any other group (Muslims, Jews, homosexuals, blacks, asians ....) it wouldn't get past the first post.

J_E

Seriously, AH? Hitting a new low every day...

Seachmall

bedrock#1 wrote: »

Thread should be closed - If this was about any other group (Muslims, Jews, homosexuals, blacks, asians ....) it wouldn't get past the first post.

Scumbags are defined by their anti-social behaviour, so you're not generalising all scumbags when you say they're pricks, By definition they are pricks.

kylith

wesf wrote: »

Actually one night while having a few drinks with friends we were talking about this subject.
I came up with an amazing idea, here it is:
Choose a county nobody likes, lets say Roscommon, fence it off Jurassic Park style, take all the normal people and move them elsewhere while leaving the scumbags there.
Round up all the other scumbags around the country and throw them in also.
Here comes the best bit, charge people, stag do's etc, to enter the park on a hunting weekend, you get to hunt down and kill scumbags, while generating money for the country also, win win for everyone!!

I wouldn't agree with hunting them down, but why couldn't all the people who have never worked, and have no intention of doing so, be moved to these ghost estates? Give the social housing in the cities to people who want to find work there.

danniemcq wrote: »

its quite an odd one, it could work. Wasn't there something about rapists getting reduced sentances for being castrated.

or maybe i was readin the onion.

Maybe for chemical castration, though I haven't heard of it in Ireland.

Chemical castration is where they use drugs to remove libido, rather than using acid to burn their penis off; which is what I thought it was when I was little, and it seemed like a very fitting punishment to me.

General General

bedrock#1 wrote: »

Thread should be closed - If this was about any other group (Muslims, Jews, homosexuals, blacks, asians ....) it wouldn't get past the first post.

Your Mod application form is on the way.

y0pperz

bedrock#1 wrote: »

Thread should be closed - If this was about any other group (Muslims, Jews, homosexuals, blacks, asians ....) it wouldn't get past the first post.

Are you saying there's ANY rational comparison between scumbags and one of those ethnic groups you mentioned?

theholyghost

Thank god the holier than thou no sense of humor brigade have arrived to save us from ourselves.

anncoates

mike65 wrote: »

It won't catch all the bad genes

Are you suggesting that the genes of certain social classes are intrinsically bad?

How does that work?

Could the same be said for certain races, genders and people with disabilities?

iDave

Make what you want about sterilisation but we have to recognise there is an underclass in Dublin that trive on an existence of mediocrity and violence.

humbert

Offering would-be-terrible-terrible-parents an incentive to voluntarily sterilise themselves makes perfect sense to me. Seriously, who loses out?

anncoates

theholyghost wrote: »

Thank god the holier than thou no sense of humor brigade have arrived to save us from ourselves.

Maybe try and refute what they say instead of hiding behind imbecilic epithets about PC brigades and the like.

Links234

you know, if you really wanted to direct your ire somewhere, why not the judges who throw people back onto the streets despite having dozens of convictions, if not more, or give constant suspended sentences for violent rapists.

Uriel.

Links234 wrote: »

Wow, we're talking about exterminating the lower classes? beautiful, AH... absolutely beautiful.

that's gonna take a lot of work though, maybe we should relocate these undesirables to camps, so we can er, concentrate our efforts there. then it would be much easier to move on to other undesirable classes, such as jews, gypsies, homosexuals, socialists and others

**** sake

wow that's a great idea.
Weird though, thought you were more humanitarian than that...

If only there was some historical precedence of this kind of thing, something we could copy and use... hmmmmm

Ush1

I'm not a fan of eugenics per say or a Darwinian set of ideals applied to society(although Capitalism nearly sorts that out), I'd more want to lean towards weighted voting in elections.

The electorate are just too stupid to know what's good for them.

awec

bedrock#1 wrote: »

Thread should be closed - If this was about any other group (Muslims, Jews, homosexuals, blacks, asians ....) it wouldn't get past the first post.

Are feral youth a "group" now?

holystungun9

kylith wrote: »

In theory eugenics is a good idea... In theory.

Eugene had got nothing to do with this!

Uriel.

Personally,

I'd prefer a Running Man style approach...

By 2017, the global economy has collapsed and American society has become a totalitarian police state, censoring all cultural activity. The government pacifies the populace by broadcasting a number of game shows in which convicted criminals fight for their lives, including the gladiator-style The Running Man, hosted by the ruthless Damon Killian, where "runners" attempt to evade "stalkers" and certain death for a chance to be pardoned and set free.

but only with Killian as the presenter

awec

iDave wrote: »

Make what you want about sterilisation but we have to recognise there is an underclass in Dublin that trive on an existence of mediocrity and violence.

Of course there is. And it's not just Dublin.

People will stick their heads in the sand and pretend there isn't so they can get a pat on the back for their "forward thinking" PC mindset.

Or else they'll try and tell us that these people are victims of society.

Tiddlypeeps

Ush1 wrote: »

The electorate are just too stupid to know what's good for them.

That's an inherent issue with democracy. It's built on the logical fallacy that the majority of people are right most of the time.

As Winston Churchill once said, the best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.

Unfortunately there aren't an over abundance of attractive alternatives.