Extermination through sterilisation - the solution to "skangerism"

AlekSmart

pennypocket wrote: »

is it time to just acknowledge
that there is a strata of society that will never be reformed



FYI OP, stratum. There is a stratum.

And whilst you're about it,could you adjudicate upon Bollox vs Bollocks

KyussBishop

The King of Moo wrote: »

I'd genuinely love to see the world from some of you people's perspectives for a day.

Heh, yes same; reminds me of a quote I favoured from another forum, which I think is especially applicable to this thread:
"Tbh I'd love to see things from your point of view, but I can't get my head that far up my arse."

Weathering

Let them eat cake

Nobody has any choice about where they are born or who their parents are so anyone could be a skanger/scoby/scallie/chav or whatever depending on where you are born and the milieu you were brought up in, scumbag behaviour is however a choice.

We could change society somewhat if we choose different social policies and I would be a great supporter of that but we will never totally change thing, for example if you look at the foundation of the state of Israel and the kibbutz's, they attempted to have a society that did not have a hierarchy but despite this a hierarchy did emerge, it must be something to do with human nature.

I know someone who works with drug addicts and he would tell you how they say to the staff why do work, "a bit of dealing and I would earn more in a day they you earn in a month" the point he was making was that they don't share the " normal" values of society the idea of something being criminal ceases to have any meaning for them.

Hatred of the poor has a long history in society, but you also have ( on after hours ) hatred of D4 type, Culchies, amoung many others, people are suspicious of different and feel more comfortable with their own tribe.

Davidth88

space_man wrote: »

funny a friend of mine from Sweden has exactly the same 'er solution to their recent riots. I said it might be less expensive to not let them in to start with. Too late for that it seems.

This might catch on yet .........?:D

Not so funny considering Sweden's history of eugenics .

Grand Moff Tarkin

returnNull wrote: »

and while they are in getting sterilized we could always harvest them for body parts,may as well make some money off the toe-rags.It would have to be the teenagers though,the older they get their livers would be fukked from drinking dutch gold and all the gear the they're smoking/injecting

Fantastic idea.

laoch na mona

no just no

VinLieger

Seriously we need to turn spike island into some epic battle royale

Wibbs

Scruffles wrote: »

however all beings are born a blank slate.

I dunno if I'd agree with you there S. I've known right evil gits come from good family environments and really sound and valuable members of society come from really bad family environments. Yes environment is a huge factor, but there will always be a minority who will be utter scumbags regardless of their environment. They're just born "wrong".

Seachmall

Scruffles wrote: »

sterilizing is a preventative method which works for crims such as sexual abusers and paedophiles who want to help themselves,however all beings are born a blank slate, the anti social/chav attitude and behavior comes through environment,a hatred of authority,who they hang around with,parents who werent the mothering/fathering type and never gave them proper boundaries or attention-those are things sterilizing doesnt stop- tougher laws on housing-no sht taken for anti social behavior legaly have them thrown out and moved to special 'half way' hostels which coud rehabilitate them in many different ways;eg-attitude,their treatment and respect of other people, jobs,education etc.

its simply not right to blame a being for the shtty behavior of their parents which is what sterilizing chavs woud be doing.

It's widely agreed that psychopathy may have a genetic factor, and that the environment of the person may merely decide to what degree those psychopathic traits are exhibited.

Interestingly it's also entirely possible that given the right environment the (theoretical) psychopathic gene may be a good thing (as in a person may lack the ability to feel emotions as most do but may also lack the selfishness that people typically associate with psychopaths, this review compares such people to James Bond).

So it's likely both genetics and environment need to be addressed when deciding someone's risk factor. No all people are born equal, but that doesn't mean we can't sculpt them.

pennypocket

AlekSmart wrote: »

And whilst you're about it,could you adjudicate upon Bollox vs Bollocks

I would lean towards bollocks but whatever floats your boat.

FTA69

I agree with Lockhart to be honest. The term "skanger" is often used as a catch-all term for the working-class in general by some people from wealthier backgrounds. I've often heard people describe those from a particular estate or of a certain look as "skangers" or to refer to a given place as a "knacker-hole" etc. In a similar vein, in Britain some people refer to any white working-class person as a "chav".

Unfortunately terms like "knacker" and "skanger" are increasingly being used as definitions of poorer people in general as opposed to being limited to those who act the b*llocks.

jasonbourne.cs

regardless of what you want to call these groups the situation remains the same we have a bunch of people who are leeching off the rest of the population .

passing Killiney beech yesterday on the train home for work , place was jammed with "skangers" with dutch gold . i dont begrudge anyone a bit of downtime but when the rest of us are shoved into the cattle carts supplied by Irish rail and earning a living its a bit hard to stomach :mad:

laoch na mona

jasonbourne.cs wrote: »

regardless of what you want to call these groups the situation remains the same we have a bunch of people who are leeching off the rest of the population .

passing Killiney beech yesterday on the train home for work , place was jammed with "skangers" with dutch gold . i dont begrudge anyone a bit of downtime but when the rest of us are shoved into the cattle carts supplied by Irish rail and earning a living its a bit hard to stomach :mad:

so they took a day off what harm

jasonbourne.cs

all of them ... simultaneously ... and it just happened to be beech weather

right :rolleyes:

laoch na mona

jasonbourne.cs wrote: »

all of them ... simultaneously ... and it just happened to be beech weather

right

not everyone has full time work plenty people struggling on part time wage or no work so many may not have had any work that day. you should feel lucky that you have a job many of us are not that lucky

Terry1985

The govt could automatically add contraceptives to the water supply via the new water meters for all those on social welfare.

laoch na mona

Terry1985 wrote: »

The govt could automatically add contraceptives to the water supply via the new water meters for all those on social welfare.

Zeich Heil

kravmaga

wesf wrote: »

Actually one night while having a few drinks with friends we were talking about this subject.
I came up with an amazing idea, here it is:
Choose a county nobody likes, lets say Roscommon, fence it off Jurassic Park style, take all the normal people and move them elsewhere while leaving the scumbags there.
Round up all the other scumbags around the country and throw them in also.
Here comes the best bit, charge people, stag do's etc, to enter the park on a hunting weekend, you get to hunt down and kill scumbags, while generating money for the country also, win win for everyone!!

Haha, you beat me to it.
Could be called "The Game of Skangers"

Duggys Housemate

mariaalice wrote: »

I know someone who works with drug addicts and he would tell you how they say to the staff why do work, "a bit of dealing and I would earn more in a day they you earn in a month" the point he was making was that they don't share the " normal" values of society the idea of something being criminal ceases to have any meaning for them.

This is why modern theories of "poverty causing crime" are misguided and disingenuous. Its always been the case that there are rich criminals, or why would people bother? There is a scene in GoodFellas when two wise guys are chasing someone at peak travel time on a train. On seeing the crowd they wonder "Do these people really live like this".

mariaalice wrote: »

Hatred of the poor has a long history in society, but you also have ( on after hours ) hatred of D4 type, Culchies, amoung many others, people are suspicious of different and feel more comfortable with their own tribe.

You haven't noticed this but this claim - the "poor" - is directly contradicted by your previous statement. Is a dealer "poor" or not? In general people don't hate the "poor" - who hates a cleaning lady, or a part time worker in a call centre ( how would we know?). People hate anti-social behavior. In fact the people who hate it most are the poor paid workers, who know that the "oppressed" anti-social brigade could work, but don't ( think of the boom), or prefer to deal, or are "wise guys".

All sociological discussions on this are cant.

old hippy

thiarfearr wrote: »

What good does it do to bring children into the world when one or both parents are serial criminals, who are in and out of court more often than not?

Who the hell is anyone to dictate whether someone can have kids or not?

Seachmall

old hippy wrote: »

Who the hell is anyone to dictate whether someone can have kids or not?

Why is there an assumed absolute right to have kids?

Hoop66

old hippy wrote: »

Who the hell is anyone to dictate whether someone can have kids or not?

Yes, it's wrong to dictate to anyone whether they should have children or not.

But surely, if a child is going to be brought into a chaotic, dysdunctional environment with no love, support or moral foundation it is better that they don't have children? So, is it possible to educate people that it is unwise of them to bring a child into the life they are currently living?

It's easy to say that social/economic factors are responsible, and they are to a point. The unpleasant fact is, for liberals like myself, that in many cases people just do not care about their own lives, those of their children or those of those around them, and attempts to make life better for them are rebuffed or abused.

WinnyThePoo

Battle Royal on achill island.

Terry1985

old hippy wrote: »

Who the hell is anyone to dictate whether someone can have kids or not?

Are you psychic channeling Jimmy Savile?

Terry1985

laoch na mona wrote: »

Zeich Heil

I believe the correct phrase is 'Sieg heil'.

old hippy

Terry1985 wrote: »

Are you psychic channeling Jimmy Savile?

Calling someone a nonce isn't a helpful contribution.

old hippy

Seachmall wrote: »

Why is there an assumed absolute right to have kids?

Are we living in China now?

Duggys Housemate

old hippy wrote: »

Are we living in China now?

The Irish state routinely seizes kids if the parents are not able to mind them. This is the state saying - you can't care for kids.

old hippy

Hoop66 wrote: »

Yes, it's wrong to dictate to anyone whether they should have children or not.

But surely, if a child is going to be brought into a chaotic, dysdunctional environment with no love, support or moral foundation it is better that they don't have children? So, is it possible to educate people that it is unwise of them to bring a child into the life they are currently living?

It's easy to say that social/economic factors are responsible, and they are to a point. The unpleasant fact is, for liberals like myself, that in many cases people just do not care about their own lives, those of their children or those of those around them, and attempts to make life better for them are rebuffed or abused.

I think you must be the first poster here to mention education. A commendable suggestion. Is it possible? I guess it is. Education and equal opportunities are a must for any functioning society.