Season 3 Episode 9: Have NOT read the books/BEWARE SPOILERS MOD NOTE POST #1

Elessar

Adamocovic wrote: »

My reaction was more like this when Robb was shot

More like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWaLxFIVX1s

The Gibzilla

That was probably my favourite episode yet. It had it all, great humour when the ugly daughters were being wheeled out, great tension when Hodor nearly drew the other groups attention and it also had great and multiple WTF moments!
Also I presume Blackfish was just murdered with the rest when he went outside.

Adamocovic

Elessar wrote: »

More like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWaLxFIVX1s

hahaha very true

pixelburp

pixelburp wrote: »

If that's at me, don't get me wrong, I enjoy Game of Thrones, but some of its narrative flaws have gone from being cute to just plain annoying.

Investing myself emotionally in this show's cast seems like a masochistic exercise; I think I'll just stick with enjoying the scale of it all rather than get too comfy with the cast. Where's the point, that Martin fellow clearly likes target practice



It didn't feel like a proper resolution to the storyline, just a sudden decision to off the major limbs of the Stark family for a bit of shock. Maybe it's just the fact it's the 9th episode, that it's now some form of trope that GoT's ninth in the series has to contain a big bad shock and as a result I was expecting something awful to happen *shrug* Robb's arc seemed to be going elsewhere, so it's disappointing this big slice through the primary movers has happened.



Agreed; least it means there's no more of the irritating winking; least until series 4

You're saying all of this about cheap drama and yet you seem to be failing to realise that all of this was written years ago, the same as every major plotline in the show up until at least season 6. It is what it is, just because your favourite character dies doesn't mean the writers are out for cheap drama, they are just following what has already been written. Would you have preferred if they hadn't killed Robb and gone into no man's land with the whole franchise? The writers are adapting a book to television, not writing an original story where they are going to change the big events that have been core to the story in the books for years. When a character dies in any movie do you feel cheated?

I would like them to get out of this 9th episode syndrome though. It kind of demeans the rest of the series when you are 90% sure that the big event is going to happen then.

Optimalprimerib

TheIrishGrover wrote: »

I've read he books but even still it was just as shocking as when I read it. Was walking around unable to believe it for a good half hour after I read it. How unexpected and unnecessarily brutal it was (Not unnecessary as in it shouldn't have been in the book but in the way that the Freys chose to do it). At least non-readers can now talk to readers about one of the huge turning points in the book...... at least until the Maroon Communion and Burgundy Bar-Mitzva and Cyan Ceili anyway (JK).

Just a question for the NON readers: Did ANYONE see it coming? I'm not being smug, I certainly did NOT see that coming. Was just wondering.

To change the subject to other parts of that episode: I LOVED every scene with Arya and The Hound. Brilliantly written and acted and the first scene (What I call the terminator 2 scene) with the trader was great. The look on the Hound's face after Arya beans the trader was priceless.

Fantastic episode. One thing though. They're going to have to shake up the formula a little bit: After three seasons people now know that the second-last episode is going to be the one where everything changes. They need to get out of that to keep people on their toes

So that was the famous red wedding wink wink nudge nudge that is brought up if you even glsnce at youtube? I had a horrible sense all through the wedding that something was wrong and the look of catelyn when the song played had me hiding behind my hands knowing this was the case.

thomond2006

Is it possible that next week's season finale won't feature the aftermath of the Stark murders? There was no progression of the Kings Landing characters this week. Throughout this season one or two storylines haven't featured in some episodes.

pixelburp

Liam O wrote: »

You're saying all of this about cheap drama and yet you seem to be failing to realise that all of this was written years ago, the same as every major plotline in the show up until at least season 6.[...]

I realise all this, I'm simply erring on the side of caution because apparently some details of events have changed between the books & the TV series, but am otherwise unsure what has remained from the books.

If indeed all this is fairly faithful to the events of the book, then fine, I direct my complaints straight at GRR Martins material rather than the scriptwriters, but my points still stand. Who penned the script doesn't really change anything I was saying, that these sorts of arbitrary shocks don't entirely work & Rob's thread seems to have just ended, without any kind of narrative climax; and all just for the sake of some 'OMG!!' value.

I'll say again, my complaint isn't that Rob/Catlyn are dead, it's how they drew that entire chain of events to a close. I stand by it being "Cheap drama", that it came form Martin's own hand doesn't make it better/worse/Atari Jaguar.

CastorTroy

Meant to say, I know they change the opening every time but I only noticed this week, when Emilia Clarke was first instead of Dinklage, that they change the actual credits.

Have they always done this?

snausages

I feel like Sopranos

Christoper's

or Wire

Wallace's deaths

were both powerful scenes but when somebody dies in GoT it definitely has that cheap 'gotcha!' feel about it. It doesn't really resonate with me the same way the other two mentioned deaths did.

theteal

well holy moly!

I've managed to avoid spoilers like the plague so had no clue what was coming. I thought the old codger was going to scar Talisa (to make her not pretty) when he wanted a closer look at her. When the guy ghosted between Robb and mammy Stark and then proceeded to shut the door, that was a definite sign of sh!t about to happen. the fact that it took a while to unfold after kept me guessing. Just freakin' savage telly!

I offered a suggestion about Arya's possible development with The Hound several episodes back, I'm more confident in my prediction now but jaysis you never know with this show!

ArmaniJeanss

CastorTroy wrote: »

Meant to say, I know they change the opening every time but I only noticed this week, when Emilia Clarke was first instead of Dinklage, that they change the actual credits.

Have they always done this?

Dinklage was left out because he wasn't in the episode, along with all the Kings Landing cast.

NinjaTruncs

It'll be interesting to see what happens with the North v. South war now, will it just peter out or will house Bolton try to claim the north for themselves and cause a civil war in the north to give Kings landing a bit of a break, before Stannis or Dany mount an attack.

I'm keen to know where the white walkers have gone, at the end of season two they was with distance of the wall, at least that's what it looked like but there's been nothing from them since, well apart from that one the Sam got.

Greyjoy is another curiosity, Stannis cursed him, so either Stannis thinks he's going to mount an assault on the crown or Stannis is still lamenting on his previous revolt.

There's one thing for sure, with Robbs demise and the apparent end of the northern rebellion, there should be a bit of a pick up in pace for some other story lines.

Lucutus

What a bleedin' scumbag.

CastorTroy

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Dinklage was left out because he wasn't in the episode, along with all the Kings Landing cast.

Yeah, I know he wasn't in the episode but usually regulars still have their name in the opening creidts. Just have to look at imdb entries for tv shows where it has someone listed as "credit only" where they had their name there but without being in the episode.

Precious flower

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: That. Was. Horrible. I certainly did not expect that! Reminded of Hamlet where everyone starts dying at the end! God, I felt the shakes after that. Stabbing Rob's wife was awful! I really thought Rob and Catlyn would make it out but then :eek:! That was some show! Poor Arya!:(

Pepe LeFrits

Some people here are going through this methinks!

ArmaniJeanss

CastorTroy wrote: »

Yeah, I know he wasn't in the episode but usually regulars still have their name in the opening creidts.

They've just been listing 'who is in the episode' on the credits since season 1, only exception being Sean Bean who was still first in the list for S1E10.

lynski

Who's is next? Balon or Joffrey?
Loved the grey worm/Dario/jorah fight scene, loved arya and the hound, left wondering about the eagle and the warging, Jon has seen direwolves, bran has seen Jon, and only the bastard(assuming that is who he is) knows that bran and rickon were not killed by theon, maybe he has shared that with his father maybe not.
Anyway leaves it all in the air and was so greatly forewarned in the last few weeks, pretty gruesome though.
Where is littlefinger?

CptMackey

Well I didnt see any of that coming :eek:

When they stabbed rob wife in the belly I thought that was going to be it but then :eek:

Who is left to oppose the lanisters in the north? Nobody that i can think of.

Time for danerys to come across.

kind of sad tho. always wanted rob to get the throne

Dempsey

CastorTroy wrote: »

Meant to say, I know they change the opening every time but I only noticed this week, when Emilia Clarke was first instead of Dinklage, that they change the actual credits.

Have they always done this?

The opening sequence changes to the plotline of the episode in one way or another

Saganist

pixelburp wrote: »

I realise all this, I'm simply erring on the side of caution because apparently some details of events have changed between the books & the TV series, but am otherwise unsure what has remained from the books.

If indeed all this is fairly faithful to the events of the book, then fine, I direct my complaints straight at GRR Martins material rather than the scriptwriters, but my points still stand. Who penned the script doesn't really change anything I was saying, that these sorts of arbitrary shocks don't entirely work & Rob's thread seems to have just ended, without any kind of narrative climax; and all just for the sake of some 'OMG!!' value.

I'll say again, my complaint isn't that Rob/Catlyn are dead, it's how they drew that entire chain of events to a close. I stand by it being "Cheap drama", that it came form Martin's own hand doesn't make it better/worse/Atari Jaguar.

You can please some of the people some of the time and all that. This was, by far, the best episode in the series so far imo.

calex71

Genuinely delighted that so many non readers didn't have this spoiled and are really shocked at this weeks events

J. Marston

I can't believe it, I'm shocked. The Starks are doomed. Sansa isn't much use, Rickon is a baby, Bran is crippled although he does have powers. Time to step your game up, Arya.

I hate Frey with a passion :mad:.

McGrath5

Fantastic episode, only finished it now and boy I am glad I avoided any spoilers today!
The ending was insane and yet was so gory, like something you would see in a Quentin Tarantino film.
It seems like the Ned Stark curse has struck yet again.

copeyhagen

lad in work had told me about te wedding few weeks ago, so i knew what was coming up! but was still class.

Gummy Panda

pixelburp wrote: »

I realise all this, I'm simply erring on the side of caution because apparently some details of events have changed between the books & the TV series, but am otherwise unsure what has remained from the books.

If indeed all this is fairly faithful to the events of the book, then fine, I direct my complaints straight at GRR Martins material rather than the scriptwriters, but my points still stand. Who penned the script doesn't really change anything I was saying, that these sorts of arbitrary shocks don't entirely work & Rob's thread seems to have just ended, without any kind of narrative climax; and all just for the sake of some 'OMG!!' value.

I'll say again, my complaint isn't that Rob/Catlyn are dead, it's how they drew that entire chain of events to a close. I stand by it being "Cheap drama", that it came form Martin's own hand doesn't make it better/worse/Atari Jaguar.

I think it developed Tywin massively especially consider its done to the Rains of Castamere. No matter how noble or powerful you think you are, Tywin can buy your allies. He basically just got the north through this act and wedding sansa to his son.

J. Marston

Avoid Frankie Boyle's Twitter page. He is spoiling stuff that's gonna happen. Thankfully, I didn't see anything but a couple of people on other forums have said it, so avoid it.

Anyone

Hodor!

Bandana boy

pixelburp wrote: »

I realise all this, I'm simply erring on the side of caution because apparently some details of events have changed between the books & the TV series, but am otherwise unsure what has remained from the books.

If indeed all this is fairly faithful to the events of the book, then fine, I direct my complaints straight at GRR Martins material rather than the scriptwriters, but my points still stand. Who penned the script doesn't really change anything I was saying, that these sorts of arbitrary shocks don't entirely work & Rob's thread seems to have just ended, without any kind of narrative climax; and all just for the sake of some 'OMG!!' value.

I'll say again, my complaint isn't that Rob/Catlyn are dead, it's how they drew that entire chain of events to a close. I stand by it being "Cheap drama", that it came form Martin's own hand doesn't make it better/worse/Atari Jaguar.

Robb was too good a general he had yet to lose a battle,Big Daddy Lannister knew this and went a different tack. The Game of thrones is only sometimes played out on the field of battle.

BluesBerry