Season 3 Episode 9: Have NOT read the books/BEWARE SPOILERS MOD NOTE POST #1

Mr.Prodston

mod note: people waiting until it airs on sky should avoid this thread like the plague

Book readers really should be careful about posting here , and preferably not post in this thread.

Any smugness and what not is not welcome here!!!!






Episode 9, "The Rains of Castamere"

After a week off we finally have another episode. Only one more left after this, so lets enjoy the waiting game for now.

This is for people who have NOT read the books, so anybody who has read the books please refrain from referencing the books. I'm sure Calex71 will insert the usual reminder.

shrewdness

:eek:

scudzilla

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, i watched the last 5 mins wit my jaw just wide open :eek::eek::eek:

There's truly not enough EEK! smileys in the world to justify what i just saw

Iwasfrozen

I have read the books but goddam that episode was brilliant. Loved Roose Bolton's "the Lannisters send their regards." Classic. Though I would have preferred if "The Reynes of Castamere" played while the butchering was taking place. The general music from the band could have been louder as well but over all it was a brilliant adaptation.

Ambient Occlusion

Even though I read the books I found that horrifying. I didn't expect Jeyne to be there; now that she's dead, all those theories about Robb's heirs are debunked.

Washington Irving

Ambient Occlusion wrote: »

Even though I read the books I found that horrifying. I didn't expect Jeyne to be there; now that she's dead, all those theories about Robb's heirs are debunked.

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

I have read the books but goddam that episode was brilliant. Loved Roose Bolton's "the Lannisters send their regards." Classic. Though I would have preferred if "The Reynes of Castamere" played while the butchering was taking place. The general music from the band could have been louder as well but over all it was a brilliant adaptation.

Why are you posting in this thread?

Iwasfrozen

SaulGoode9 wrote: »

Why are you posting in this thread?

We feel like it. #yolo

Ambient Occlusion

SaulGoode9 wrote: »

Why are you posting in this thread?

The responses are more interesting because this is new to non-book readers. There's nothing that be gained from the other thread as the events of tonight's episode already been discussed thoroughly for years. I have no intention of spoiling.

Handsome Bob

Don't think I've ever been left as speechless as that. Holy ****.

expectationlost

holy crap is it all down to the kids now?

the starks have been wiped out as a power, the kids can't regain that very soon

stupid starks yet again he should married one of his daughters when he said so

Kirby

Jesus H Christ. It's not often that a tv show leaves you speechless. But that just did.

Has the war just been ended right there? Who is left to fight it? Jon Snow? He's not even really a Stark.

I suppose this ends the questions of what will happen when Dany's dragons and the white walkers come. Will the warring factions unite? Well there wont be a war now. The iron born are no real threat to Kings landing and Stannis can't do much on his own....even with his melisandre.

Poor little Aria. She just can't catch a break. She finally gets reunited and they are all murdered. :P

Been waiting to see the internet explode after that for a long time!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozVcbIc5yWI

empacher

Wow I love how ruthless the storyline is, as soon as anyone can grow attached to any character BOOM! There gone. More Tv shows should adopt this approach. Axing of fan favorites is just building GOT as the greatest series ever.

thomond2006

That ending needed a '24' silent clock.

Holy ****. No more words needed!

Anachrony

thomond2006 wrote: »

That ending needed a '24' silent clock.

Or the Curb your Enthusiasm theme: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xc20YQOIRY

Smartly Dressed

I thought for a second that Ayra would at least manage to save Grey Wind but even that hope was crushed.

Absolute madness.

Professional Griefer

SaulGoode9 wrote: »

Why are you posting in this thread?

Why shouldn't they when there is no spoilers what so ever in their posts. I've read the book up to where the tv show currently is, and will probably be past it when the next episode airs, should I stop posting here?

Anyways, unfortunately this was spoiled for me(kind of), and next weeks one was spoiled as well.

Got goosebumps when the Rains Of Castamere began playing.

calex71

Professional Griefer wrote: »

Why shouldn't they when there is no spoilers what so ever in their posts. I've read the book up to where the tv show currently is, and will probably be past it when the next episode airs, should I stop posting here?

Anyways, unfortunately this was spoiled for me(kind of), and next weeks one was spoiled as well.

Got goosebumps when the Rains Of Castamere began playing.

They shouldn't stop posting BUT they shouldn't speculate on future events even if they haven't read all of the books, the reason is you cannot give an objective guess at future events , your guesses will be based on a certain level of knowledge from the books.

As I have said here before, the show is it's own entity if you needed the books to interpret events in the show then the writers have really done a poor job. As we have seen many times now the show does not mirror the book 100% or even 80% for that matter.

Readers should be very careful when posting in this thread, and my thoughts on this are also in the mod note in post #1


Now, all back on topic , and report any posts if there are issues with them please

degrassinoel

I feel sick after seeing that episode.

The baby-killing in season 2 was hard to watch but that betrayal was gutting.

Also, poor Hodor!

Mr. CooL ICE

I'm still shocked. Been wandering around my house like a zombie for about 15 minutes.

Should have known something bad was going to happen. Too many Robb scenes in previous episodes were unnecessarily lovey-dovey, so something awful was surely going to happen. Also, Walden, despite acting like a pig, was being much too generous with everything that was going on. Didn't know what to make of Roose before this, but it was obvious whose side he was on after releasing Jaime.

The scenes with the Wildlings were awesome. Would be cool if Bran could control the dragons. Would be game over for the entire thing if that was the case.

FullOf..IT

Fresh in the mind but that has to be the most ruthless 10 mins of TV I have ever seen. I suspect wiping out the Starks will allow us the support Daenerys fully now?

Kilkenny14

That was the most ruthless scene I've seen in TV; the Starks are in deep s*** now. Sansa finding out is not going to be nice viewing

I'm just going to have support Daenerys now to wipe out all the Lannisters (except Tyrion)

Rosy Posy

Physically shaken by that episode...best episode yet!

Heaps of plot development as well as lots of unanswered questions.

So Robb and Talisa and Catelyn are all dead- meaning that Bran is now heir to Winterfell? I think I'm right in assuming that inheiritance passes through the male line first? If so then Bran is heir to Winterfell. The only ones who know that Bran and Rickon are alive, apart from Osha, Hodor, Jojen and Meera, are Theon, Dajmer Cleftjaw and the sadistic torturer broomsweep (presumably from House Bolton). I wonder how he's going to use this knowledge? I sincerely hope they tie up that storyline in the next episode.

Otherwise, as far as the rest of the realm is concerned Sansa is heiress to Winterfell and Tyrion is its new lord. The Lannisters really have things sewn up atm with the Boltons, the Freys, the Tyrells and Winterfell in their pockets. Frey is a scumlord through and through. I have a lot of hate for Roose Bolton right now, I never liked that pr!ck. I'm sure Tywin Lannister will give him leave to torture away to his hearts content.

I wonder how Edmure is going to react to his whole family being slaughtered or will he become a de facto prisoner, similar to Sansa? Also, did Blackfish ever come back from that p!ss? He could still be at large?

I thought that Catelyn died well, although there was little point in her cutting Frey's poor young wife's throat- it was an act of pure vengeance. She fought to the end though. I was pretty disturbed by Talisa's being stabbed in the pregnant belly, GoT really has a lot of disturbing images of pregnancy, childbirth and infancy.

Another thing that I think was really significant was Bran's development as a warg. Jojen mentioned that no other warg was able to enter the mind of humans, I wonder if he can do that to anyone or was it just because Hodor is a little simple, and he has such a strong connection to him?

I was sorry to see Jon leave Ygritte behind, you'd think it would have been a simple thing for him to scoop her up onto the horse? I felt really sorry for her after she'd risked herself fighting her own people for him. I was pleased to see Orell go although I do have some questions about him entering the mind of the eagle- can his spirit live on after his body has died? He looked like he carved up his face pretty badly.

I thought it was a really sweet little touch when Gilly told Sam he was like a wizard- for me it echoed in season 1 when Jon was disappointed at being appointed to the stewards and said he'd wanted to be a ranger since he was a kid, and Sam replied that he'd wanted to be a wizard.

Arya's story is particularly heartbreaking- she was so close and now she's back to wandering again. I think that the Hound could turn out to be her saviour if she can let go of her hatred of him. She's incredibly lucky that she didn't make herself known and get slaughtered along with the rest of her family. Also gutting for her to see Grey Wind killed.

I have unresolved questions about the other Direwolves too- presumably Nymeria is away in the woods somewhere in the same region as Arya herself. It would be great if they could be reunited. And AFAIR the last time we saw Ghost he was pulling the wite off Sam at the start of this season. Did he go with the rest of the Nights Watch to Craster's Keep or is he wandering around north of the wall somewhere?

So what are the chances that all of these questions will be answered next week? It would be too cruel to make us wait a whole year- I'm definitely going to get through the books before then!

NordicDiver

speechless

Dempsey

Well, nothing of note happened there...yawn





:eek::pac:

fish fingers

I'm having a cuppa now to calm myself. Unreal ending of a tv show.

calex71

fish fingers wrote: »

I'm having a cuppa now to calm myself. Unreal ending of a tv show.

Cup of brandy is it ???:)

Did any of you people that didn't read the books recognise the song when the band played it?

Witcher

Deleted User wrote: »

Did any of you people that didn't read the books recognise the song when the band played it?

A lot of people on Twitter did, I was watching it unfold through tweets:P

LionelNashe

They should never have had any dealings with that Waldon Frey character. After he first looked for concessions in order for them to cross the river they should have burned him out of it.

DeepBlue

Deleted User wrote: »

Did any of you people that didn't read the books recognise the song when the band played it?

Well the episode was called The Rains of Castermere and Cersei had told the story of the song pretty graphically in a previous episode so it was to be expected it would kick in at some point.

Tbh I wasn't too bothered that they killed off Robb and the wife (who's name I can't recall). I felt like fast-forwarding through their scenes as the actors just weren't good enough to make you care for them and it was pretty much signposted for some while that Robb's heir would not survive. I'd put that down to clunky writing and acting though.

At least this cuts down the number of storylines though. :pac:

TheIrishGrover

I've read he books but even still it was just as shocking as when I read it. Was walking around unable to believe it for a good half hour after I read it. How unexpected and unnecessarily brutal it was (Not unnecessary as in it shouldn't have been in the book but in the way that the Freys chose to do it). At least non-readers can now talk to readers about one of the huge turning points in the book...... at least until the Maroon Communion and Burgundy Bar-Mitzva and Cyan Ceili anyway (JK).

Just a question for the NON readers: Did ANYONE see it coming? I'm not being smug, I certainly did NOT see that coming. Was just wondering.

To change the subject to other parts of that episode: I LOVED every scene with Arya and The Hound. Brilliantly written and acted and the first scene (What I call the terminator 2 scene) with the trader was great. The look on the Hound's face after Arya beans the trader was priceless.

Fantastic episode. One thing though. They're going to have to shake up the formula a little bit: After three seasons people now know that the second-last episode is going to be the one where everything changes. They need to get out of that to keep people on their toes

BluesBerry

oh my god :eek: im speechless

kaimera

well color me ****ing speechless. :O

Headshot

You know im probably in the minority but im fair pissed off that my favourite characters are dead. Puts me right off the show.

Rosy Posy

TheIrishGrover wrote: »

Just a question for the NON readers: Did ANYONE see it coming? I'm not being smug, I certainly did NOT see that coming. Was just wondering.

I for one didn't see it coming at all. I thought they were going to skim through the wedding and have a massive assault on Casterley Rock- a Blackwater Bay style battle, or I was expecting an attack by the Wildlings on Castle Black.

I didn't trust Bolton at all though, I did think that he would betray them in some way although not as dramatically as that. Robb seemed like such a strong figure last season but ever since he married Talisa I did think that that would be his downfall- I thought it would be more to do with his followers losing confidence in him and trickling away rather than a shytkicking massacre like that.

One thing- was it just the Stark men who were killed or those loyal to them too. If all of the Stark's bannermen have been turned against them then what are the implications for Rickon and Osha when they show up looking for asylum to the Umbers?

kowloon

I always expect someone to get killed off, but that was quite the sweep. That said, they've established that death isn't permanent, the guy with the eye patch whose name I've forgotten was brought back. Is an army of zombies too much to ask?

Telchak

TheIrishGrover wrote: »

One thing though. They're going to have to shake up the formula a little bit: After three seasons people now know that the second-last episode is going to be the one where everything changes. They need to get out of that to keep people on their toes

It's a pretty standard thing for the last episode of any show's seasons to be a big end or cliffhanger. I liek the way Game of Thrones does the big end, then the wrap up in the last episode :P

Paddy Cow

TheIrishGrover wrote: »

To change the subject to other parts of that episode: I LOVED every scene with Arya and The Hound. Brilliantly written and acted and the first scene (What I call the terminator 2 scene) with the trader was great. The look on the Hound's face after Arya beans the trader was priceless.

Arya is a great character and the actress who plays her is very talented. The scenes with the Hound are awesome but not as awesome as her scenes with Tywin last season. She has great chemistry with really formidable characters and actually makes total c**ts seem human and likeable.

PropJoe10

**** me pink with a whitewash brush. I am speechless after watching that :eek:

TheIrishGrover

Telchak wrote: »

It's a pretty standard thing for the last episode of any show's seasons to be a big end or cliffhanger. I liek the way Game of Thrones does the big end, then the wrap up in the last episode :P

Oh I know, I love the wrap-up/fallout episode too. I'm just saying that the format is getting a bit predictable. They need to shake the format up a bit. Throw something in the first few episodes, or have a musical number or an animated episode . Nah, just saying that everyone knows that Episode 9's where it's at at this stage.

Paddy Cow wrote:

Arya is a great character and the actress who plays her is very talented. The scenes with the Hound are awesome but not as awesome as her scenes with Tywin last season. She has great chemistry with really formidable characters and actually makes total c**ts seem human and likeable.

Those scenes were some of my favourites of all of last season. LOVED them. Especially the whole "M'lud/My Lord" scene. Fantastic actress

RGM

I thought Robb's wife was doomed from when they first went before Frey, but the slaughter was a bit much. With Robb dead, I feel like I've been reading a book and suddenly the last half is missing, and what the hell do I read now? There's no King of the North anymore. The hell...

Arya is my favorite character, but she can't carry a story about battling kingdoms. So what now?

Did it bother anyone else that Bran saw his brother outside and didn't seem to care? "Oh, btw, saw Jon Snow. Yeah, he left."

Also, that Second Sons guy, I hope he dies. If he gets with the Queen of Dragons, I will not be happy. Smug pretty-boy.

SherlockWatson

Well that was something.

Sudden Valley

For some reason I really thought that Catelyn threatening Frey's wife would result in at least one of them escaping. I thought she might have at least not killed the wife- she was an innocent party.

snausages

Great episode but I'm beginning to see where some of the criticism of the series' author comes in. There are only so many twists and turns you can take before you alienate your audience. I hope the series doesn't lose momentum now. I know we're only halfway through the third book (not a reader myself) but the comments I've heard about books 4 and 5 make me worry.

desertcircus

Well, that was violent even for Game Of Thrones. Was impressed with Catelyn's balls-out aggression; it takes some ferocity to react to the massacre of your family by grabbing your host's wife and threatening to cut her throat. No shock, no panic, just identify the best chance of survival and stick a knife to its neck. Maybe Winterfell would have done better if she'd taken charge, patriarchal aristocracy be damned.

That said, some of the storylines are beginning to drag. Bran's been on the road for bloody ever, and where are the damn White Walkers?

LionelNashe

I had expected that Robb's wife was going to turn out to be a spy, because I didn't see what other purpose she served in the story. I wonder what will happen to Robb's uncle who married the Frey girl. And Catelyn's uncle went for a leak just before the bedding ceremony; he might be still knocking around somewhere.

Hiwazup

Dayyum Robb would have done much better for himself had he married the Frey girl, she was a right beour! And he wouldn't of died and stuff too of course.

Mr Blobby

....I wasn't prepared for that

Brendan Filone

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