Ulster Bank League 2013-2014 talk/gossip/rumours

Not Playing Tiddlywinks Vinny

lurtz wrote: »

I saw on a recruitment agency a while back that a cork 1a team were looking for a centre or 10 and an dublin 1a team were looking for an 8,expect maybe to see some new southern hemisphere faces

Oh really, must be Con in Cork as Dolphin have more than their share of Centres and Keeshan at 10. Any news on additions to Tarf, Lansdowne, Belvo or Marys?

lurtz

Not Playing Tiddlywinks Vinny wrote: »

Oh really, must be Con in Cork as Dolphin have more than their share of Centres and Keeshan at 10. Any news on additions to Tarf, Lansdowne, Belvo or Marys?

tarf seem to be splashing on youth with bryan byrne,mcfarland and roopnairnesingh all rumoured to be going there

Not Playing Tiddlywinks Vinny

lurtz wrote: »

tarf seem to be splashing on youth with bryan byrne,mcfarland and roopnairnesingh all rumoured to be going there

Are all the current squad still there? Tarf'll be stronger again next season. Get Fitzpatrick at 10 from the 1st fixture and ye'll be in a solid position straight away.

lurtz

david joyce from trinity meant to be going theere as well

bamboozle

Not Playing Tiddlywinks Vinny wrote: »

Are all the current squad still there? Tarf'll be stronger again next season. Get Fitzpatrick at 10 from the 1st fixture and ye'll be in a solid position straight away.

Only confirmed departure is Flanagan and he only really had a run of games towards the end of the season (gone to mont de Martin)

Local lad mick Kearney is back with Clontarf but in not sure if he will see much ail action.

Clontarf had a dreadful season with injuries, next season is the 1000 anniversary of the battle of Clontarf, fixture with the babaas lined up.

Still with half the Irish u20s with lansdowne and half the Leinster academy with ucd it will be hard to look beyond those two.

bamboozle

lurtz wrote: »

tarf seem to be splashing on youth with bryan byrne,mcfarland and roopnairnesingh all rumoured to be going there

Is roopnaireasingh any use? Never heard of him.

lurtz

bamboozle wrote: »

Only confirmed departure is Flanagan and he only really had a run of games towards the end of the season (gone to mont de Martin)

Local lad mick Kearney is back with Clontarf but in not sure if he will see much ail action.

Clontarf had a dreadful season with injuries, next season is the 1000 anniversary of the battle of Clontarf, fixture with the babaas lined up.

Still with half the Irish u20s with lansdowne and half the Leinster academy with ucd it will be hard to look beyond those two.

how is kearney playing for tarf next year? just to play 1a?
its easy to say that lansdowne and ucd would be the best but realistically the rep guys are away for huge parts of the season and plus theyre invariably younger and much less experienced than other wily AIL campaigners which counts for alot

bamboozle

lurtz wrote: »

how is kearney playing for tarf next year? just to play 1a?
its easy to say that lansdowne and ucd would be the best but realistically the rep guys are away for huge parts of the season and plus theyre invariably younger and much less experienced than other wily AIL campaigners which counts for alot

I think with Muldowney and Clarke coming in as 2nd row competition Kearney getting some ail game time might not be the worst idea in the world, I still reckon he will be in most match day squads as back five cover though.

Last season plenty of fringe connacht players were sent out to ail clubs to get game time, Anderson, Jarvis, loxton, Moore, pod.

Actually wouldn't be surprised to see Dave Moore popping up at one of the Dublin clubs following his release from connacht, he played with belvo last season.

lurtz

bamboozle wrote: »

Is roopnaireasingh any use? Never heard of him.

yeah he is a good player,played leinster 19s and 20s. Utility back with a great boot and a mazy runner

bamboozle wrote: »

I think with Muldowney and Clarke coming in as 2nd row competition Kearney getting some ail game time might not be the worst idea in the world, I still reckon he will be in most match day squads as back five cover though.

Last season plenty of fringe connacht players were sent out to ail clubs to get game time, Anderson, Jarvis, loxton, Moore, pod.

Actually wouldn't be surprised to see Dave Moore popping up at one of the Dublin clubs following his release from connacht, he played with belvo last season.

yeah I know what you're saying. Moore will probably stay with belvo,unless lansdowne offer him something cos cooney might be playing less.
Has gannon been released? he was playing with stradbrook towards the end of the season

bamboozle

lurtz wrote: »

yeah he is a good player,played leinster 19s and 20s. Utility back with a great boot and a mazy runner



yeah I know what you're saying. Moore will probably stay with belvo,unless lansdowne offer him something cos cooney might be playing less.
Has gannon been released? he was playing with stradbrook towards the end of the season

Think I saw on connacht thread gannon was involved in preseason training with connacht

ormond lad

Leinster Senior League and Shield fixtures have been made with groups below
http://www.leinsterrugby.ie/domestic/9980

Senior League Cup
Section A
Old Belvedere, Blackrock, UCD, Lansdowne, Old Wesley
Section B
Trinity, Clontarf, Terenure, Bective, Marys

Senior League Shield
Section A
Seapoint, DLSP, Suttonians, Skerries, Naas

Section B
Navan, Barnhall, Tullamore, Boyne, Greystones

Good comp that gives sides plenty of games in lead up to start of AIL. Shame they don't do that in Munster

Not Playing Tiddlywinks Vinny

ormond lad wrote: »

Leinster Senior League and Shield fixtures have been made with groups below
http://www.leinsterrugby.ie/domestic/9980

Senior League Cup
Section A
Old Belvedere, Blackrock, UCD, Lansdowne, Old Wesley
Section B
Trinity, Clontarf, Terenure, Bective, Marys

Senior League Shield
Section A
Seapoint, DLSP, Suttonians, Skerries, Naas

Section B
Navan, Barnhall, Tullamore, Boyne, Greystones

Good comp that gives sides plenty of games in lead up to start of AIL. Shame they don't do that in Munster

Agree, really think Munster could benefit from this, gives a lot more match practice before league starts. Charity cup isn't competitive enough i feel

ormond lad

Not Playing Tiddlywinks Vinny wrote: »

Agree, really think Munster could benefit from this, gives a lot more match practice before league starts. Charity cup isn't competitive enough i feel

Yeah. Connacht and Ulster have their senior leagues while Munster have senior cup first round and from last season first round of senior plate along with charity cup. so some clubs will get 3 competitive games while other provinces get several more.
Charity Cup is competitive enough but doesn't give enough games and would be better off in a league format

Not Playing Tiddlywinks Vinny

ormond lad wrote: »

Yeah. Connacht and Ulster have their senior leagues while Munster have senior cup first round and from last season first round of senior plate along with charity cup. so some clubs will get 3 competitive games while other provinces get several more.
Charity Cup is competitive enough but doesn't give enough games and would be better off in a league format

Ah the charity cup isn't taken overly serious considering G'owen and others tend to field 21s lads rather than their full strength team, which i am a fan of, but with so little competitive games before game 1 of UBL it appears to be taken lightly. A league structure would definitely of some sort, maybe even similar to how the 21s cup is run, two groups 2 qualifiers out of them than semi and final

ormond lad

Not Playing Tiddlywinks Vinny wrote: »

Ah the charity cup isn't taken overly serious considering G'owen and others tend to field 21s lads rather than their full strength team, which i am a fan of, but with so little competitive games before game 1 of UBL it appears to be taken lightly. A league structure would definitely of some sort, maybe even similar to how the 21s cup is run, two groups 2 qualifiers out of them than semi and final

Likes of Garryowen, Munsters don't field full strength side but don't field many 21s lads. When we've played the likes of G'own etc we would beat them if in main they fielded 21s but they don't.
Charity Cup is taken seriously enough considering apart from Senior Cup is only competitive game before league starts.
Any league based structure would be better than what currently exists

mightymonster

Con rumoured to have lost Daragh Lyons and 8 James Ryan to cashel where Brian Hickey is coaching . Cathal O Flaherty is supposed to be joining Highfield and Cathal Quinn Sundays Well .
Centre Niall O Driscoll and wing Cronin Healy are gone to Australia .
Robert Clune Scott Deasey and Brendan Cuttris are Dublin bound with Philip Donnellan and Brian Hayes going abroad for rugby contracts .
con have signed a French prop , Kenneally from bohs for $$ rumoured to be 18kI
And two o suillibhean brothers from dolphin .Ex Clongowes but not near Dolphin squad for most of last season.
Shane O Conor the ex Munster squad second row returns from France he is a good player .
Loosing 11 is tough to deal with so a year of rebuilding looks likely for the coaching team of Tom Mulcahy Terry
Dillon and Mick o Driscoll .Mick Bradley also rumoured to be playing a role .
Dolphin rumoured to have signed a strong Number eight
Is the balance of power on the playing fields of Cork swinging to Dolphin ?

blackdog1

Looks like it dolphin have most of the munster academy on its books. Con also signed joe mcsweenys brother from midleton along with hooker no 8 and centre also their excellent tighthead sweeney.did keneally use to play with con or is that a diff niall keneally? Also anyone know if frank cogan is back.?

mightymonster

blackdog1 wrote: »

Looks like it dolphin have most of the munster academy on its books. Con also signed joe mcsweenys brother from midleton along with hooker no 8 and centre also their excellent tighthead sweeney.did keneally use to play with con or is that a diff niall keneally? Also anyone know if frank cogan is back.?

Different Kenneally he is in early 20a.d. Luke Duffy is the centre from.ucc . Who is the number eight ? Surprised at a hooker being signed with O Driscoll and Cudmore in situ .Who is the hooker

blackdog1

mightymonster wrote: »

Different Kenneally he is in early 20a.d. Luke Duffy is the centre from.ucc . Who is the number eight ? Surprised at a hooker being signed with O Driscoll and Cudmore in situ .Who is the hooker

Luke cahill is no 8 im sure former rockwell college.hooker is a young enough lad so dunno if he'll make senior yet..always need hookers they tend to get injured. ...team should be interesting wonder will they get tom gleeson to play..pack should be ok but serious problems inthe backs. No ffullback or wingers if they lose all the players you say.

blackdog1

mightymonster wrote: »

Con rumoured to have lost Daragh Lyons and 8 James Ryan to cashel where Brian Hickey is coaching . Cathal O Flaherty is supposed to be joining Highfield and Cathal Quinn Sundays Well .
Centre Niall O Driscoll and wing Cronin Healy are gone to Australia .
Robert Clune Scott Deasey and Brendan Cuttris are Dublin bound with Philip Donnellan and Brian Hayes going abroad for rugby contracts .
con have signed a French prop , Kenneally from bohs for $$ rumoured to be 18kI
And two o suillibhean brothers from dolphin .Ex Clongowes but not near Dolphin squad for most of last season.
Shane O Conor the ex Munster squad second row returns from France he is a good player .
Loosing 11 is tough to deal with so a year of rebuilding looks likely for the coaching team of Tom Mulcahy Terry
Dillon and Mick o Driscoll .Mick Bradley also rumoured to be playing a role .
Dolphin rumoured to have signed a strong Number eight
Is the balance of power on the playing fields of Cork swinging to Dolphin ?

Hearing o Flaherty and lyons still around don't know about rest.

Not Playing Tiddlywinks Vinny

Dolphin really strengthening so. Bohs exodus continuing to their 21s apparently. Their gonna significantly struggle, say could be back to back relegation's for them.

That figure for Kenneally has to be a typo! He's not that good, he's a good player but not that good! No AIL player can command that kinda money

mightymonster

blackdog1 wrote: »

Luke cahill is no 8 im sure former rockwell college.hooker is a young enough lad so dunno if he'll make senior yet..always need hookers they tend to get injured. ...team should be interesting wonder will they get tom gleeson to play..pack should be ok but serious problems inthe backs. No ffullback or wingers if they lose all the players you say.

Tom Gleeson is now in Dublin and is starting medical studies at RCSI in September so doubt he will be playing for Con

mightymonster

Not Playing Tiddlywinks Vinny wrote: »

Dolphin really strengthening so. Bohs exodus continuing to their 21s apparently. Their gonna significantly struggle, say could be back to back relegation's for them.

That figure for Kenneally has to be a typo! He's not that good, he's a good player but not that good! No AIL player can command that kinda money

That is the figure Ul sources have mentioned take a house car insurance tax and a cash sun into account and you may arrive at such a figure If you look at payments that clubs in D4 and Clontarf are paying some players it is a fact that such a payment of 18k by con is on a pat

blackdog1

Not Playing Tiddlywinks Vinny wrote: »

Dolphin really strengthening so. Bohs exodus continuing to their 21s apparently. Their gonna significantly struggle, say could be back to back relegation's for them.

That figure for Kenneally has to be a typo! He's not that good, he's a good player but not that good! No AIL player can command that kinda money

Con don't pay that kinda money, just match fees and maybe accommodation.. only club that pays big money is highfield.

CGD

mightymonster wrote: »

That is the figure Ul sources have mentioned take a house car insurance tax and a cash sun into account and you may arrive at such a figure If you look at payments that clubs in D4 and Clontarf are paying some players it is a fact that such a payment of 18k by con is on a pat

Way off I u think clubs in D4 and Clontarf are paying even a fraction of that money. I know lads are being helped get jobs but most clubs have reduced match fees but no point in letting the facts get in the way o gossip

Not Playing Tiddlywinks Vinny

mightymonster wrote: »

That is the figure Ul sources have mentioned take a house car insurance tax and a cash sun into account and you may arrive at such a figure If you look at payments that clubs in D4 and Clontarf are paying some players it is a fact that such a payment of 18k by con is on a pat

Con have paid for Accom, insurance, match fees and sign on bonuses but not all to one player, especially whose not even close to contracted. Scanlon wasn't getting that when with them, just insurance and Acc paid by both Con and Munster. Tarf tend to be able to help lads find work as do plenty other Dublin clubs

mightymonster

blackdog1 wrote: »

Con don't pay that kinda money, just match fees and maybe accommodation.. only club that pays big money is highfield.

Agree but con found themselves in a situation that they needed to get a quality player from somewhere as mentioned earlier they were advertising on a recruitment page for this position and obviously had a budget for this . Agree that such payments are unlike them.

In relation to Clontarf. they have spent big money on players and many of the deals in recent years to guys I know were as much as development contracts when accommodation costs were taken into.account . An added bonus is their pull in the jobs market

Lansdowne budget has fallen as they have a bill for their partial contribution to clubhouse redevelopment to repay . I
am aware of a back that has signed for them who has got a package this year in excess of 10 k and one of his family told
Mr that

So big cash is still around parts of the ail but it is to the minority of players

blackdog1

I think days of clubs paying player's are gone. Most big clubs try and get jobs and accommodation for players where possible but a player would have to be outstanding to get this only club with big money to spend is highfield because they own a car park next to cuh and their div 2 or 3 .how good is this kinneally lad?

mightymonster

blackdog1 wrote: »

I think days of clubs paying player's are gone. Most big clubs try and get jobs and accommodation for players where possible but a player would have to be outstanding to get this only club with big money to spend is highfield because they own a car park next to cuh and their div 2 or 3 .how good is this kinneally lad?

I would like to think you were right about payments but as I said a minority are still cashing in
Kimberly is a good player but not outstanding

bamboozle

mightymonster wrote: »

Agree but con found themselves in a situation that they needed to get a quality player from somewhere as mentioned earlier they were advertising on a recruitment page for this position and obviously had a budget for this . Agree that such payments are unlike them.

In relation to Clontarf. they have spent big money on players and many of the deals in recent years to guys I know were as much as development contracts when accommodation costs were taken into.account . An added bonus is their pull in the jobs market

Lansdowne budget has fallen as they have a bill for their partial contribution to clubhouse redevelopment to repay . I
am aware of a back that has signed for them who has got a package this year in excess of 10 k and one of his family told
Mr that

So big cash is still around parts of the ail but it is to the minority of players

Tarf haventreally been splashing the cash, there's win bonuses, they got jobs for lads and sorted out accommodation. No major money being thrown around the last season or two by any clubs, go back 3 seasons and one D4 team were apparently playing a former pro 100k for a 3 yr deal.

asides from that, i've no problems with teams spending money if they have it, Clontarf bar alone is treated as a seperate entity and turns in a good profit annually.