What is the most politically correct thing you have heard?

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mikemac1 wrote: »

I learned in London forum on boards that sambo is a racist term

Well bless my sheltered soul as I was using it for years and never knew there was an issue

Must be a British thing, I never read a complaint in an Irish forum or recieved a complaint in an Irish office

I came from the opposite direction - born and raised in England, came to live in Ireland when i was 19. I'd only ever heard the word 'sambo' as slang for a black person. There used to be a 1970s British sit-com called Love Thy Neighbour in which the white guy used to call his neighbour 'sambo', 'nig-nog' and 'jungle bunny'.

So when I saw ads in bus shelters and on bus sides for O'Brien's Sandwich Bars with the line "Sambos Built Like Rambo" all I could think was oh....my....God....

old hippy

clairefontaine wrote: »

Eh no.. because they are not Americans. Duh.

I was in a Dublin playground and I heard a parent refer to another child there [East Asian] as a half caste.

PC did not come to my house, but I was rather alarmed that this term has not left the Dublin lexicon in the year 2013. It was like a flashback to the 1950s or something.

Mixed race is acceptable. My American cousin calls her daughter "bi-racial" rather than mixed. But it could be an American thing, I hadn't heard it until a year or so ago.

The half caste term is reprehensible. I like this poem which gets to the heart of it

Halfe–Caste by John Agard

Excuse me
standing on one leg
I'm half-caste
Explain yuself
wha yu mean
when yu say half-caste
yu mean when picasso
mix red an green
is a half-caste canvas/
explain yuself
wha u mean
when yu say half-caste
yu mean when light an shadow
mix in de sky
is a half-caste weather/
well in dat case
england weather
nearly always half-caste
in fact some o dem cloud
half-caste till dem overcast
so spiteful dem dont want de sun pass
ah rass/
explain yuself
wha yu mean
when yu say half-caste
yu mean tchaikovsky
sit down at dah piano
an mix a black key
wid a white key
is a half-caste symphony/
Explain yuself
wha yu mean
Ah listening to yu wid de keen
half of mih ear
Ah looking at u wid de keen
half of mih eye
and when I'm introduced to yu
I'm sure you'll understand
why I offer yu half-a-hand
an when I sleep at night
I close half-a-eye
consequently when I dream
I dream half-a-dream
an when moon begin to glow
I half-caste human being
cast half-a-shadow
but yu come back tomorrow
wid de whole of yu eye
an de whole of yu ear
and de whole of yu mind
an I will tell yu
de other half
of my story

Davelarson

old hippy wrote: »

Seriously? You're denigrating an entire people and a nation because of a couple of experimental performance pieces? Is that the best you can do?

Mandatory attendance at radical feminist garbage pieces? Yeah that's not fucked up.

I wonder what kind of society we'd live in you had your way? One with every ounce of human imagination and creativity extinguished to ensure no one, is ever, ever offended.

I suppose something like this would have to go straight into the memory hole, after all he's having a go at an entire nation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UFmVO5LU58

old hippy

Davelarson wrote: »

Mandatory attendance at radical feminist garbage pieces? Yeah that's not fucked up.

I wonder what kind of society we'd live in you had your way? One with every ounce of human imagination and creativity extinguished to ensure no one, is ever, ever offended.
I suppose something like this would have to go straight into the memory hole, after all he's having a go at an entire nation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UFmVO5LU58

Who are you to judge it's garbage? It may be extreme but it's still expressing themselves and their views. You seem pretty offended by women being imaginative and creative! Still, you do know Sweden has a high prevalence of violence towards women, don't you? Is it not fair that there is a response to such misogyny? Or should women sit back and take it?

Mandatory attendance seems to upset you. But hey, that's schools for you. I don't recall being able to opt out of any of our events. Maybe you had it different, eh, Dave?

Davelarson

old hippy wrote: »

Who are you to judge it's garbage? It may be extreme but it's still expressing themselves and their views. You seem pretty offended by women being imaginative and creative! Still, you do know Sweden has a high prevalence of violence towards women, don't you? Is it not fair that there is a response to such misogyny? Or should women sit back and take it?

Mandatory attendance seems to upset you. But hey, that's schools for you. I don't recall being able to opt out of any of our events. Maybe you had it different, eh, Dave?

It was mandatory for the teachers not the kids. Being forced sit for two hours while a woman tells you you're evil for having a penis? That's probably your idea of heaven.

old hippy

Davelarson wrote: »

It was mandatory for the teachers not the kids. Being forced sit for two hours while a woman tells you you're evil for having a penis? That's probably your idea of heaven.

My idea of heaven is when people can produce plays/art/performance and people don't want to tear each others limbs off as a result. Still, it's good that art and feminism terrify you and excite you in equal measure, Dave. It means that there is a message to be heard. What message did you get from it, besides feeling threatened? You did attend it, didn't you, Dave?

Nodin

Davelarson wrote: »

Actually now that I think of it, I met an American guy recently who was telling me of his experiences of living and teaching in Sweden. He hated the place for various reasons but one of the main things that annoyed was the mad feminism they have there.

In one school where he was subbing, two 15 year old girls performed a play which was basically them screaming about rape for the best part of an hour.

At another school, some feminist 'performance artist' had a show on in the town hall. It was mandatory for the school teachers to attend. The piece she was performing translated as 'Bitter Pussy' and consisted of her screaming about rape and men for over an hour. Afterwards there was a 'discussion' where women were encouraged unleash their hatred of men and set up 'bitter pussy clubs'. The American guy said he felt like a Jew in the middle of the Nuremberg Rallies.

Sweden, what a fucked up place.

Yeah......

"I went to the theatre this weekend to see "The Bitter Pussy", which was a stand up show that skewered the difference between men and women, and pointed out all the many places where men and women are still not equal.

Ditte Hansen, a Danish actress, was alone on stage, and she did a great job. The show was based on a Swedish book that was published last year ("Bitterfittan"). It's about what often happens when two persons with each a career in front of them have a child, and what happens with equality. It's about politicians who make laws in lots of minor areas, but who thinks "equality needs to change with people's attitudes!!" It's about how "we have equality" despite the fact that women have wages that are generally 18 % below men's. It's all about equality between men and woman - and it was very well made."
http://my.opera.com/Zaphira/blog/2009/10/04/the-bitter-pussy

Maybe your friend needs to work on his Swedish.....

Duck Soup

There are two pieces of PC received wisdom which just bug me, basically because they're factually wrong.

1. To go back to the original post, the belief that "history" is a truncation/portmanteau of "his story". Therefore it should be "her story" or "their story" as well. This is complete bollocks. The root of the word 'history' is 'histor' meaning "knowledge from enquiry". Its ultimate root way, way back is from the Proto-Indo-European "wid-tor", 'wid' meaning 'to know' or 'to see', which then changes from 'wid' to 'his' in its adoption into ancient Greek. The word 'story' is a truncation of 'histor', not the original root word. So "her story" and "their story" is etymologically illiterate bollocks.

2. The belief that 'rule of thumb' refers to an old English law that a man may not beat his wife with a stick any thicker than the thickness of his thumb. A completely madey-uppy bag of tripe. There is no formalized law or documented common law that stated that a man may beat his wife with a stick no thicker than his thumb. Even those who claim it does refer to this - yet can't produce any documentary evidence to back the belief - can't explain why the term pre-dates the supposed English common law by about 2 centuries and is common across a range of non-English speaking companies.

The actual origin of the word is the use of the width of the thumb as a rough measuring device - it's usually approximately an inch - by carpenters and, later, bricklayers. The words in Italian (pollice), French (pouce), Slovene (palec) and Czech (palec) for 'thumb' and 'inch' are the one and the same word.

Politically correct language usually doesn't bother me, but it irritates me when people lie to make a point.

Davelarson

old hippy wrote: »

My idea of heaven is when people can produce plays/art/performance and people don't want to tear each others limbs off as a result. Still, it's good that art and feminism terrify you and excite you in equal measure, Dave. It means that there is a message to be heard. What message did you get from it, besides feeling threatened? You did attend it, didn't you, Dave?

There's no point arguing with you. You see no problem with being forced to attend an anti-male performance piece by your employer. I pity you.

old hippy

Davelarson wrote: »

There's no point arguing with you. You see no problem with being forced to attend an anti-male performance piece by your employer. I pity you.

Were you in attendance? Do you not remember school plays back in the day, Dave? Where it was mandatory for pupils and teachers alike?

Does feminism and art scare you that much?

Davelarson

old hippy wrote: »

Were you in attendance? Do you not remember school plays back in the day, Dave? Where it was mandatory for pupils and teachers alike?

Does feminism and art scare you that much?

Yes I remember as a kid and an adult being forced to attend the anti-woman shows and the anti-black male performance pieces staged by the local neo-nazis.

Nodin

Davelarson wrote: »

There's no point arguing with you. You see no problem with being forced to attend an anti-male performance piece by your employer. I pity you.

......you don't seem to have addressed the fact that one of the pieces bears no resemblance to your description of it.

jim_jim

Nodin wrote: »

Yeah......

"I went to the theatre this weekend to see "The Bitter Pussy", which was a stand up show that skewered the difference between men and women, and pointed out all the many places where men and women are still not equal.

Ditte Hansen, a Danish actress, was alone on stage, and she did a great job. The show was based on a Swedish book that was published last year ("Bitterfittan"). It's about what often happens when two persons with each a career in front of them have a child, and what happens with equality. It's about politicians who make laws in lots of minor areas, but who thinks "equality needs to change with people's attitudes!!" It's about how "we have equality" despite the fact that women have wages that are generally 18 % below men's. It's all about equality between men and woman - and it was very well made."
http://my.opera.com/Zaphira/blog/2009/10/04/the-bitter-pussy

Maybe your friend needs to work on his Swedish.....

women may very well ( on average ) earn less than men but the difference is not down to gender , its illegal in this country to financially discriminate against someone based on gender , race etc

women tend to opt out of the workforce younger ( for obvious reasons ) and this in turn inevitably leads to an income imbalance as time served leads to higher salary etc

not a comment on the play in question I might add , I have not heard of it

Nodin

jim_jim wrote: »

women may very well ( on average ) earn less than men but the difference is not down to gender , its illegal in this country to financially discriminate against someone based on gender , race etc

women tend to opt out of the workforce younger ( for obvious reasons ) and this in turn inevitably leads to an income imbalance as time served leads to higher salary etc

not a comment on the play in question I might add , I have not heard of it

Well it seems to have been Swedish and presumably relates to some situation or other over there. I looked it up merely to see if it matched the description given earlier, which it does not.

GalwayGuy2

Hey, Nodin.

You left this quote from the play out.

"Behind every successful man stands a woman with a part time job. Behind every successful woman is a divorce!"

Meh, I can't really comment on the play as I haven't seen it. But would people be okay with mandatory attendance at a political play organized by MRA's?

jim_jim

Nodin wrote: »

Well it seems to have been Swedish and presumably relates to some situation or other over there. I looked it up merely to see if it matched the description given earlier, which it does not.

if financial discrimination based on gender is against the law in Ireland , id be amazed if its not also against the law in Sweden too

lies , lies and damn statistics , something feminist idealogues have always been masters at

Nodin

GalwayGuy2 wrote: »

Hey, Nodin.

You left this quote from the play out.

............

Wow, you're right. Now all of a sudden it DOES sound like the earlier description "The piece she was performing translated as 'Bitter Pussy' and consisted of her screaming about rape and men for over an hour".

Jim jim wrote:

I seriously doubt if financial discrimination based on gender is against the law in Ireland , its not against the law in Sweden too............

I've no clue. My sole point is that the content seems to have been misrepresented.

old hippy

Davelarson wrote: »

Yes I remember as a kid and an adult being forced to attend the anti-woman shows and the anti-black male performance pieces staged by the local neo-nazis.

You were never forced to watch the school play, then?

You've lost me on the neo nazi stuff, though? Perhaps you could kindly explain what that has to do with radical feminist art?

Laois_Man

I was called racist the other day for saying it is difficult to estimate the age of a black person

oldyouth

Laois_Man wrote: »

I was called racist the other day for saying it is difficult to estimate the age of a black person

I had a witty response to that bit I decided against posting it.

Jaysus, the PC brigade have my balls in a sling :mad:

jim_jim

ive never actually met a member of the pc brigade , then again I don't tend to hang around D4 , nor do I work in the media or a tax funded QUANGO

old hippy

The PC brigade is a mythical entity. Usually invoked by those who feel their freedom to spout offensive slurs and epithets is being threatened...

The Dom

GalwayGuy2 wrote: »

You left this quote from the play out.

"Behind every successful man stands a woman with a part time job. Behind every successful woman is a divorce!"

Sounds like an aptly named play so.

RDM_83 again

Nodin wrote: »

Wow, you're right. Now all of a sudden it DOES sound like the earlier description "The piece she was performing translated as 'Bitter Pussy' and consisted of her screaming about rape and men for over an hour".



I've no clue. My sole point is that the content seems to have been misrepresented.

Its still representing a fringe movement and its still dubious to have mandatory attendance at an ideologically driven event by a public secular school.

I hope there was no math or social science teachers in the audience to get annoyed at the misuse of statistics :P

rovoagho

<UNPC>Get a room folks, you're boring the balls off the rest of us.</UNPC>

jim_jim

old hippy wrote: »

The PC brigade is a mythical entity. Usually invoked by those who feel their freedom to spout offensive slurs and epithets is being threatened...

it so is not

old hippy

jim_jim wrote: »

it so is not

It is made up piffle, a boogeyman to wave about when one fears one canot speak ill of others. It is oft used in conjunction with strawmen and such blatantly untrue statements as "we're not allowed talk about this".

See also "if this was a white person being abused/bullied/etc boardsies would ignore it/condone it" etc.

The Dom

old hippy wrote: »

Usually invoked by those who feel their freedom to spout offensive slurs and epithets is being threatened...

No, people who complain about the "PC Brigade" are doing so because they are sick to the back teeth of the decisions being made in society by liberals who get the horn by being offended on other people's behalf, of which there any many examples of in this very thread.

Take the Baa Baa Black Sheep as an example. These clowns thought black people would offended by the word black. A black parent had to come forward and tell them they were being ridiculous to even think about banning the nursery rhyme.

The lines spoken by the major from Fawlty Towers were taken out for similar reasons. Yet he was playing a senile racist who was clearly being portrayed as being a bumbling old fool. If those bafoons were not card carrying members of the PC Brigade, then I don't know who are.

There are hundreds of others and sticking your head in the sand and saying they people who raise these issues are really just people who want to offend minorities just makes you sound foolish. It's the type of crap that Stewart Lee has made a career out of but it's clear to anyone with half a brain, that he is a cultural bully who gets his jollies from trying to appear morally superior to those he is condescending.

Of course he does it all under the guise of 'defending' minorities but the vast majority of people aren't offended by the crap he pretends they are. That is why he has to go back to the 50s and 60s and drag up old slogans from racist politicians, as he has fcuk all other ammunition. He's a idealistic student who never grew the fcuk up and lived in the real world and if it wasn't for pretentious, high brow, non-conformists, arseholes like him, who think they are deep and profound cause they 'get' him, then his gigs would be fcuking deserted.

jim_jim

old hippy wrote: »

It is made up piffle, a boogeyman to wave about when one fears one canot speak ill of others. It is oft used in conjunction with strawmen and such blatantly untrue statements as "we're not allowed talk about this".

See also "if this was a white person being abused/bullied/etc boardsies would ignore it/condone it" etc.

their are pre approved causes and demographic groups which are out of bounds for criticism these days , do you deny this ?

jim_jim

The Dom wrote: »

No, people who complain about the "PC Brigade" are doing so because they are sick to the back teeth of the decisions being made in society by liberals who get the horn by being offended on other people's behalf, of which there any many examples of in this very thread.

Take the Baa Baa Black Sheep as an example. These clowns thought black people would offended by the word black. A black parent had to come forward and tell them they were being ridiculous to even think about banning the nursery rhyme.

The lines spoken by the major from Fawlty Towers were taken out for similar reasons. Yet he was playing a senile racist who was clearly being portrayed as being a bumbling old fool. If those bafoons were not card carrying members of the PC Brigade, then I don't know who are.

There are hundreds of others and sticking your head in the sand and saying they people who raise these issues are really just people who want to offend minorities just makes you sound foolish. It's the type of crap that Stewart Lee has made a career out of but it's clear to anyone with half a brain, that he is a cultural bully who gets his jollies from trying to appear morally superior to those he is condescending.

Of course he does it all under the guise of 'defending' minorities but the vast majority of people aren't offended by the crap he pretends they are. That is why he has to go back to the 50s and 60s and drag up old slogans from racist politicians, as he has fcuk all other ammunition. He's a idealistic student who never grew the fcuk up and lived in the real world and if it wasn't for pretentious, high brow, non-conformists, arseholes like him, who think they are deep and profound cause they 'get' him, then his gigs would be fcuking deserted.

im framing this

not for the PC stuff but your deconstruction of stuart lee