Dublin Airport New Runway/Infrastructure.

MJohnston

Shannon757 wrote: »

How much is all this going to cost?

€320m. The tone of your question suggests you really meant "how much is all this going to cost the tax payer?" in which case the answer afaik is nothing.

Shannon757

MJohnston wrote: »

€320m. The tone of your question suggests you really meant "how much is all this going to cost the tax payer?" in which case the answer afaik is nothing.

I didn't want to know how much this was going to cost the taxpayer.

afatbollix

Seems very cheap Heatrows is going to cost £25 billion. They should pay for a runway at Gatwick, Dublin and Birmingham and a fast railway instead of just one runway.

JCX BXC

afatbollix wrote: »

Seems very cheap Heatrows is going to cost £25 billion. They should pay for a runway at Gatwick, Dublin and Birmingham and a fast railway instead of just one runway.

That's completely ignoring how a hub airport works though, and does not incorporate how the economic benefits or strengthening a Hub airport is greater than a single other airport, which will only gather LCC's who pay abysmally.

Also, the government aren't paying a cent in the UK, so I don't exactly understand why this cost in a commercial business somehow affects UK taxpayers in any negative way at all.

BonkeyDonker

afatbollix wrote: »

Seems very cheap Heatrows is going to cost £25 billion. They should pay for a runway at Gatwick, Dublin and Birmingham and a fast railway instead of just one runway.

At Dublin it is reasonably straight forward from a construction point of view. The land is already owned by the DAA I believe, and the construction requires no special engineering or special works.

Heathrow is a much more complex project as they do not currently own all the required land and need to purchase alot of housing around the airport. There may also be resovoirs that need relocating as well - I know one of the options required this.

Plus it requires the re-routing of a lot more roads and indeed motorways, while keeping these open.

I believe the expansion also includes additional terminal and alot of extra taxiways/apron space all of which drives the cost up.

So overall the Heathrow expansion is many times more complex than Dublin, where a rare bit of forward looks to actually be working out for the most part.

Tenger

billie1b wrote: »

The usual will happen, they'll go for the dearest tender offer, then between that contractor and DAA they'll hire the lads that put in the cheapest offer, hire them to do the work and split the difference to line their own pockets. The way the usual construction malarky goes on in this country

If you are going to contribute then do so, if you are going to try to be cantankerous then do so elsewhere. Making insinuations about the daa is similar to airline bashing

Shannon757 wrote: »

How much is all this going to cost?

MJohnston wrote: »

€320m. The tone of your question suggests you really meant "how much is all this going to cost the tax payer?" in which case the answer afaik is nothing.

Im not sure how you can misinterprete that question, Shannon757 didnt ask "how much will this cost us/me?", they asked "how much will it cost?"
No need for your own interpretation of another poster's simply phrased question. We have had enough interpretation and finger pointing recently on this thread as it is.

Jamie2k9

moloner4 wrote: »

Walking by the airport landside today and noticed to areas of construction:
1. At the oil tanks there was excavators and men working
2. At the end of the runway (near T2 and the cargo area) there was what looked to be a large amount of cement being laid down.

Anyone know anything about theses?

1 - Prob to do with new fuel pipeline
2 - T2 is 5 stands for aircraft to push to/from pier 4, not sure if they will actually allow passengers board at the stand but if not I think it will happen at some stage.

Some EIR passengers have to walk to 200 gates to board now......

Jamie2k9

moloner4 wrote: »

I haven't worked airside in a month so haven't seen this. Are you sure it's pax?

Aer Lingus staff walk down there to get bused to remote stands for stobart.

The 200 gate is a grimly place (as i've got stuck in the lift there twice now with a pax ), but a new lounge is being built there so who really knows what's going on!

It's very recent but here is gates for this mornings first wave of EIR flights. Usually just one or two flights. In saying that they started using the 400 gates again.

EI
Madrid - 334

EIR
Leeds - 332
Edinburgh - 333
Bristol - 335
Glasgow - 415
Newcastle - 201 - Most Often this Flight
Liverpool - 204
Cardiff - 332

reason vs religion

Economist article: One airport is taking advantage of Britain's dithering over runway expansion.

reason vs religion

moloner4 wrote: »

Can someone copy and paste the article? I already used my free reads for the month

Just delete your cookies and it resets!

Gaoth Laidir

reason vs religion wrote: »

Economist article: One airport is taking advantage of Britain's dithering over runway expansion.

The relative ease of building a second runway in Dublin—which will cost just €320m, or £258m, rather than £18.6 billion for Heathrow’s—is partly due to good long-term planning, claims Mr Toland. The airport started to buy up land for a second runway in the 1960s, has been working with local-authority planners on the project since the 1970s and has plenty of spare capacity in its new terminal. With mounting evidence that airport capacity matters for economic growth, Britain would do well to follow Dublin’s example: just choose somewhere and get building.

£18.6 BILLION for Heathrow's runway? :eek: Bloody hell!!

reason vs religion

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

£18.6 BILLION for Heathrow's runway? :eek: Bloody hell!!

I think it includes airport expansion and improvements to transport links in order to accommodate extra passengers, as well as high land acquisition costs and having to relocate the road and parking areas that are currently between the airport and the intended site. It's from the government-initiated Airports Commision's report and is £4bn more than Heathrow's own estimate. Still bloody expensive either way.

afatbollix

Naw its actually £25 billion as the government has said they will have to pay for the tunnel for the M25 and that's 6 billion alone.

jamo2oo9

Not to mention they have to relocate the motorway and one of the reservoirs nearby. That'll add up quite a lot of money.

Shannon Control

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

£18.6 BILLION for Heathrow's runway? :eek: Bloody hell!!

The British Goverment need to get their (offshore) piggy banks out fairly quickly...

Dardania

Shannon Control wrote: »

The British Goverment need to get their (offshore) piggy banks out fairly quickly...

Maybe brexit will put a dampener on their growth? If it presents hassle to people transiting? Or will it be alright as per 5th freedom style flights?

Noxegon

Dardania wrote: »

Maybe brexit will put a dampener on their growth? If it presents hassle to people transiting? Or will it be alright as per 5th freedom style flights?

I have been wondering that. There's potential impact for us too given that much of our traffic is connections from the UK regions. We live in interesting times.

Jamie2k9

Won't be any impacts.

Shannon Control

Noxegon wrote: »

I have been wondering that. There's potential impact for us too given that much of our traffic is connections from the UK regions. We live in interesting times.

It also means that if Brexit makes it more difficult to connect through London before going to the US that we might get another surge in connecting passengers. Then again we won't know until it happens!

JCX BXC

Shannon Control wrote: »

It also means that if Brexit makes it more difficult to connect through London before going to the US that we might get another surge in connecting passengers. Then again we won't know until it happens!

From where? All the connecting pax in DUB are from the UK!

Shannon Control

Carnacalla wrote: »

From where? All the connecting pax in DUB are from the UK!

All of Aer Lingus' European operation as well as all other airlines from Europe outside the UK?

reason vs religion

Searching Brexit and aviation gives quite a few results that analyse the potential impact. For instance, Brexit up in the air: implications for aviation if the UK votes to leave the European Union. Even if there are no negative consequences, it seems there will be a need to negotiate and agree several bilateral agreements.

JCX BXC

Shannon Control wrote: »

All of Aer Lingus' European operation as well as all other airlines from Europe outside the UK?

That's a very small market currently for DUB, and although a brexit could get more pax for DUB if travel restrictions are implemented (they won't be, just look at Norway, Switzerland and Iceland), we would lose out far more massively as UK account for the vast majority of connecting pax.

Tenger

The trouble with the Brexit vote (sick if that term personally) is that we cant be sure how a yes/no result will impact us either way. Will a leave be good/bad for Ireland Inc? We can't really tell? It could be great, but it could be awful? That's the problem.
It really is out of our hands. I have 2 siblings in London, they think they will be coming home if its a Leave vote, they work in international finance.
Saw an interesting analysis on the media bias on the coverage, hope people dont mind me linking to it here:
https://theconversation.com/hard-evidence-analysis-shows-extent-of-press-bias-towards-brexit-61106

Tenger

After all the heated debate recently lets hope that all residents concerns are aired on the expansion of DUB and the impact of the new runway on the surrounding area:
https://www.dublinairport.com/latest-news/detail/daa-to-host-north-runway-public-information-and-consultation-events

daa will host two public information and consultation events over the coming weeks to provide an opportunity for local residents and community groups to view at first-hand the plans for Dublin Airport’s new runway.

The 3,110m North Runway was granted planning permission in 2007 and will be located within existing daa lands. North Runway will facilitate the creation of 31,200 new jobs over the next 20 years, as well as contributing an extra €2.2 billion to the Irish economy. The development of the runway will allow the airport to grow for the benefit of the Irish economy by supporting additional trade, tourism and foreign direct investment in Ireland.

North Runway is also a highly significant strategic project for the Fingal area, which has been a major beneficiary of the economic activity at Dublin Airport. The airport currently supports about 97,000 jobs, one-quarter of which is held by Fingal residents.

daa has said previously that two of the existing runway planning conditions impact the airport’s ability to accommodate future demand at key operational times. This would mean that the airport would have less capacity with two runways during these key periods than it currently has with one.

daa intends to enter a process to address these two onerous conditions and to retain the operating flexibility that currently exists at Dublin Airport.

As part of this process, daa will be preparing an Environmental Impact Statement (EIS) and is inviting members of the public to identify matters that they would like daa to take into consideration when developing this EIS. The EIS will be the focus of a further public engagement process, which is likely to take place in the autumn.

“Given the strategic importance of this project to the country and in particular to Fingal, we would like to share information about our plans with all interested parties, most especially our neighbours in the community with whom we continue to work closely,” said Dublin Airport spokeswoman Siobhan O’Donnell.

“A team from daa, together with external experts will be available to share information in relation to the North Runway and to answer any questions that attendees may have.”

Details of the public events to share information on these issues are as follows:

Roganstown Hotel & Country Club, Naul Road, Swords

1pm - 8pm Friday 24th June

10am - 6pm Saturday 25th June

The Grand Hotel, Malahide

1pm - 8pm Friday 1st July

10am - 6pm Saturday 2nd July

Carnacalla

Carnacalla wrote: »

From where? All the connecting pax in DUB are from the UK!

A large number of connecting passengers come from elsewhere in Europe, the early Rome flight for example has been recently rumoured to be upgraded to an A330 because of the transfers. It's a high priority flight for EI, they've give it priority of all other flights to get the pax out to Rome and back in again to make the TA flights. The issue with not going to an A330 is the added time to turn in Rome and it's near normal to pick up a delay in Rome. Next year EI will be reorganising their departure times to spread them out across the day. So the morning 757 is now thought to be going year round and the 105 will slide back to lunch with evening 109 moving back till tea time etc. So that should help.

I can't see much changing in terms of transfer pax from UK to be honest. Most pax won't have noticed/cared whether they needed a passport to get through their local airport to fly. Only real issue could be with currency and exchange rate meaning cost of ticket could be more or indeed less. As Tenger says no one really knows what is going to happen. If all turns out to be rosy for the UK we could indeed follow the UK out at some stage.

Shannon Control

Carnacalla wrote: »

From where? All the connecting pax in DUB are from the UK!

On my flight last week from Berlin with EI there were 50 transferring pax all going to JFK and ORD, it is a lot bigger than you think.

reason vs religion

Deleted User wrote: »

If all turns out to be rosy for the UK we could indeed follow the UK out at some stage.

George Soros has said he thinks Brexit would likely precipitate the collapse of the EU...leaving nothing for us to exit.

Rock of Gibraltar

Any word on when the new lounge after preclearance will open?

Was supposed to be sometime in June according to the Dublin Airport twitter account in March
https://twitter.com/DublinAirport/status/712534917201137665

afatbollix

It's been said July 11th on another forum.