Dublin Airport New Runway/Infrastructure.

AndyBoBandy

Hi folks, probably not the correct thread but what check in desks do BA typically use in Terminal 1?

Nibs05

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Hi folks, probably not the correct thread but what check in desks do BA typically use in Terminal 1?

Area 4, but please double check screens just in case.

andy_g

Nibs05 wrote: »

Area 4, but please double check screens just in case.

it is area 4 unless a codeshare with ei

AndyBoBandy

It was indeed area 4, and the queue was huge!! And moving really slowly, so I just blagged herself into the business class queue.

Job done.

AndyBoBandy

Dublin Airport hosting North Runway Public Information & consultation events.


DAA hosting North Runway Public Consultation

Tangey99

I'd guess that Britains Brexit will indirectly have a positive effect on DUB growth, and hence accelerate the need for another runway. Medium term, more companies will prefer to locate in Ireland within the EU, rather than UK outside the EU. IAG's recent purchase of EI may have turned out to be a much shrewder decision than could have been imagined at the time.

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Tangey99 wrote: »

I'd guess that Britains Brexit will indirectly have a positive effect on DUB growth, and hence accelerate the need for another runway. Medium term, more companies will prefer to locate in Ireland within the EU, rather than UK outside the EU. IAG's recent purchase of EI may have turned out to be a much shrewder decision than could have been imagined at the time.

I'd be surprised if anything but negative, weaker GBP, suppressed growth, uncertainty with largest travel partner. Time will tell of course but this will lead to less growth in next 6-24 months imo.

JCX BXC

Id imagine the loss of some UK pax will severely outweigh any benefits.

Fattes

Tangey99 wrote: »

I'd guess that Britains Brexit will indirectly have a positive effect on DUB growth, and hence accelerate the need for another runway. Medium term, more companies will prefer to locate in Ireland within the EU, rather than UK outside the EU. IAG's recent purchase of EI may have turned out to be a much shrewder decision than could have been imagined at the time.

Weaker Pound makes UK a nightmare for us, More expensive to visit Ireland, = a drop in UK tourism. Its a fairly stable pattern over the last 30 years. Also the UK accounts for nearly 50% of all departures and arrivals from Dub.

It could go either way in relation to the N Runway and its use

Jamie2k9

Fattes wrote: »

Weaker Pound makes UK a nightmare for us, More expensive to visit Ireland, = a drop in UK tourism. Its a fairly stable pattern over the last 30 years. Also the UK accounts for nearly 50% of all departures and arrivals from Dub.

It could go either way in relation to the N Runway and its use

Not true!

JCX BXC

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Not true!

Care to elaborate?

Jamie2k9

Carnacalla wrote: »

Care to elaborate?

50% to the UK is incorrect, there may be a slight fall off in numbers coming but it will be short lived and remember the pound is not as bad as it was 4 years ago when the Eurozone about to implode.

Don't want to get to political but the impact on DUB will be minimal in terms of a loss or gain, suggesting anything otherwise is madness.

spintheglobe

That is so expensive - I am sure though they will pull it off though! Irish are great at projects eg. aviva stadium

Fattes

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

50% to the UK is incorrect, there may be a slight fall off in numbers coming but it will be short lived and remember the pound is not as bad as it was 4 years ago when the Eurozone about to implode.

Don't want to get to political but the impact on DUB will be minimal in terms of a loss or gain, suggesting anything otherwise is madness.

Thats why I said almost 50% based on CSO figures for 2014/15 UK flights account for 43.8% of all passenger numbers from Dublin Airports top 50 destinations

Obviously an increase in cost via a devalued currency to the DAA biggest single market will have no impact on the DAA. London alone accounts for about 20% of flights from Dublin. With a potential flight of financial service operations from London to Dublin this has a potential to impact operations and number.

Fattes

Figures from CSO

Top 50 airports from Dublin total flights 14/15 19,310,344.00
Total to UK airports 8,459,930.00
Total to London 4,102,274.00

http://www.cso.ie/px/pxeirestat/Statire/SelectVarVal/Define.asp?maintable=ctm01

Knock yourself out if you think I am wrong.

Airport Passengers
Handled
London Heathrow 1,683,041
London Gatwick 1,086,940
London Stansted 879,552
Manchester 862,928
Birmingham 785,376
Edinburgh 540,495
London City 452,941
Glasgow International 449,341
Bristol 378,077
London Luton 340,713
Liverpool 338,495
Leeds Bradford 285,957
Newcastle 199,888
East Midlands 176,186

Jamie2k9

Fattes wrote: »

Thats why I said almost 50% based on CSO figures for 2014/15 UK flights account for 43.8% of all passenger numbers from Dublin Airports top 50 destinations

Obviously an increase in cost via a devalued currency to the DAA biggest single market will have no impact on the DAA. London alone accounts for about 20% of flights from Dublin. With a potential flight of financial service operations from London to Dublin this has a potential to impact operations and number.

35.5% of traffic in 2015.....

Fattes

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

35.5% of traffic in 2015.....

Nope London Manchester, Birmingham, and Edinburgh accounted for 23.35% of all flights from Dublin alone in 2015

Flights to the UK account for 39.8% across all Irish Airports, Dublin is slightly higher % due to the frequency of the London Dublin route.

http://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/er/as/aviationstatistics2015/

Than again the CSO could be wildly wrong

Jamie2k9

Fattes wrote: »

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

35.5% of traffic in 2015.....

Nope London Manchester, Birmingham, and Edinburgh accounted for 23.35% of all flights from Dublin alone in 2015

Flights to the UK account for 39.8% across all Irish Airports, Dublin is slightly higher % due to the frequency of the London Dublin route.

http://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/er/as/aviationstatistics2015/

Than again the CSO could be wildly wrong

There was around 9 million out of 25 million on UK routes in 2015 which is 35.5% of traffic...

Fattes

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

There was around 9 million out of 25 million on UK routes in 2015 which is 35.5% of traffic...

10,419,632, to be exact.

Jamie2k9

Fattes wrote: »

10,419,632, to be exact.

daa came out with 8.9 million between DUB-UK and the CSO stats also show that figure is correct on 23 routes. The UK CAA states also back it up.

I'm not sure how they have come up with over 10 million but it's incorrect as their own data published on the site also indicates it's incorrect.

So 35.6% of traffic at DUB is to the UK based on 2015 figures.

Tenger

Fattes wrote: »

Weaker Pound makes UK a nightmare for us, More expensive to visit Ireland, = a drop in UK tourism. Its a fairly stable pattern over the last 30 years.

Pound always rebounds after short term setback vs Punt/Euro....fairly stable pattern over the last 40 years.

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Tenger wrote: »

Pound always rebounds after short term setback vs Punt/Euro....fairly stable pattern over the last 40 years.

We're going to see a lot of volatility in GBP. Pretty much everyone expects the UK to slip into recession for remainder of 2016 into 2017. Every 1% drop in UK GDP will result in 0.3% GDP drop in Ireland based on historical trends. Eurozone was already in trouble before this vote and no question the UK will want to weaken the pound in the short to medium term to ride this out. BoE have already said they will do whats needed to ensure liquidity which is sure to suppress any rebound.

Back on topic.. Both IAG and Ryanair will be lowering forecasts next year, the only buffer at the moment is that fuel and airline leasing costs are historically low and luckily so. Either way this will affect DUB volumes given the dependence on UK.

As another aside it will be interesting to see the affect this will have on bond market given DAA still need to finance the runway.

Fattes

IATA seem to agree with me and the fact that the DAA still have to go to the market to finance the new runwat the airports reliance on the UK will be of concern

Razor44

Irrespective of brexit, Ireland as a country still needs to invest in its infrastructure. I can't see brexit putting the breaks on the northern runway, even if some would wish it.
It may however be more challenging to fund, but such is the world we live in. It still needs to be built. Much like metro north and the N20, the country needs them regardless of current developments

Could on the other hand make it easier to fund as money floods out of the UK back in to the EU. But thats all speculation one way or the other.

Rock of Gibraltar

Deleted User wrote: »

Could on the other hand make it easier to fund as money floods out of the UK back in to the EU. But thats all speculation one way or the other.

Its not that money is flooding out of the UK and back into the EU, its that investors are pulling out of corporate bonds/shares and into safe havens such as German Bund, US Treasury Notes and interestingly the UK Gilt. Irish Government Bonds weathered the immediate brexit aftermath pretty well but don't really have safe haven status.

I'd expect that if DAA issued again anytime soon they wouldn't get as good a deal as they got earlier this month, still probably better than when they issued in 2008.

Tenger

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

There was around 9 million out of 25 million on UK routes in 2015 which is 35.5% of traffic...

Fattes wrote: »

10,419,632, to be exact.

Do we really need to be than bloody pedantic to argue over an exact figure we got off another website? This is a casual discussion forum. We can have different opinions on this forum, we dont get points for "winning" a debate. None of us know what effects Brexit will have on the Irish economy, aviation sector, industry, politics, and either do the "experts"
So lets all stop trying to be top of the class in this debate and say "may you live in interesting times"

Fattes

Tenger wrote: »

Do we really need to be than bloody pedantic to argue over an exact figure we got off another website? This is a casual discussion forum. We can have different opinions on this forum, we dont get points for "winning" a debate. None of us know what effects Brexit will have on the Irish economy, aviation sector, industry, politics, and either do the "experts"
So lets all stop trying to be top of the class in this debate and say "may you live in interesting times"

1.5 Million difference from total passenger numbers of 25 million is a substantial difference.

The core point is the vast majority of DAA business is reliant on one destination the UK. The events of the weekend and the general feeling in the industry is that the current upward passenger numbers is starting to slow. All of these factors are important in strategic planning.

Tenger

Fattes wrote: »

1.5 Million difference from total passenger numbers of 25 million is a substantial difference.

The core point is the vast majority of DAA business is reliant on one destination the UK. The events of the weekend and the general feeling in the industry is that the current upward passenger numbers is starting to slow. All of these factors are important in strategic planning.

I dont doubt that 9 million is substantially different from 10,419,632 from a planning point of view. Im sure the DAA have taken that into account, Im also sure that they are looking at the VERY significant impact of Brexit on the pax flow at DUB.

My subtle point as a moderator on this discussion forum was "lets not get bogged down on statistics and points scoring"
Some moderators are less subtle than me, I enjoy reading the debate and indeed taking part in it (and as Im sure many have noticed, being corrected from time to time!)

Fattes

Anything from €12-60 per passenger charge at 1.5 million passengers is quite significant. As for planning the DAA have form on doing it wrong a lot

https://www.dublinairport.com/regulation-and-planning/airport-charges/airport-charges-2016