Dublin Airport New Runway/Infrastructure.

Locker10a

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Building 4 new stands as an extension of the old cargo area.

So 4 new T2 stands ?

Locker10a

Locker10a wrote: »

So 4 new T2 stands ?

Yes, currently they are painting a new "blocking" stand for overnight use 410T

Locker10a

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yes, currently they are painting a new "blocking" stand for overnight use 410T

Aw ok , so will they be remote bus stands, or just where aircraft can be positioned over night and then quickly towed to a gate when one becomes available ?

Locker10a

Locker10a wrote: »

Aw ok , so will they be remote bus stands, or just where aircraft can be positioned over night and then quickly towed to a gate when one becomes available ?

Not sure what the plan is yet. Will ask.

Gaoth Laidir

Is it not the construction of the new fuel pipeline?

http://iaip.iaa.ie/iaip/Published%20Files/SUPP%20Files/2016/EI_SUP_2016_01_EN.pdf

Gaoth Laidir

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

Is it not the construction of the new fuel pipeline?

http://iaip.iaa.ie/iaip/Published%20Files/SUPP%20Files/2016/EI_SUP_2016_01_EN.pdf

Can't argue with that. I'll have to check again as we were told it was extra stands. But I also heard they were dramatically increasing the size of the fuel tanks. Interesting to see if the following phases add stands on top.

JCX BXC

What's the maximum passenger capacity of Dublin Airport currently?

Carnacalla

Carnacalla wrote: »

What's the maximum passenger capacity of Dublin Airport currently?

circa 40 million between T1+2.

18-20 million in T1 and 21.5 in T2.

CAR figures.

Chris_5339762

Would the current runway constrain that though?

sdanseo

Deleted User wrote: »

circa 40 million between T1+2.

18-20 million in T1 and 21.5 in T2.

CAR figures.

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

Would the current runway constrain that though?

You won't get that number of pax through one runway though. Dublin's surface layout is cluttered and inefficient and although Gatwick managed 40m pax last year (world's busiest single runway) they would presumably have a much higher number of passengers per movement.

Chris_5339762

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

Would the current runway constrain that though?

Depends on what types use the last remaining runway slots.

Current average passenger numbers per movement is circa 130 divided into 40,000,000 that gives approximately 310,000 movements or over 50% increase on 2015 movements.

Current max capacity per hour of the runway is 48 multiply that by 18 hours multiplied by 365 is 315,000.

So yes the runway will limit how many passengers can use the terminal per year. But, if larger aircraft types are used or load factors increase then it is possible that both runway and terminal capacity could be acheieved before either a new runway or additional terminal capacity is reached.

Most likely stand capacity will cause a larger headache long before terminal
Capacity is reached.

sdanseo

sdanseo wrote: »

You won't get that number of pax through one runway though. Dublin's surface layout is cluttered and inefficient and although Gatwick managed 40m pax last year (world's busiest single runway) they would presumably have a much higher number of passengers per movement.

Gatwick is getting 155 per movement Dublin is at 131 per movement.

Stealthirl

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

Is it not the construction of the new fuel pipeline?

Slightly related but is there fuel on stand at Dub or do they still tank fuel out ?
I thought T2 had the capability.

Jamie2k9

Stealthirl wrote: »

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

Is it not the construction of the new fuel pipeline?

Slightly related but is there fuel on stand at Dub or do they still tank fuel out ?
I thought T2 had the capability.

Yes, still not used

Hotblack Desiato

sdanseo wrote: »

You won't get that number of pax through one runway though. Dublin's surface layout is cluttered and inefficient and although Gatwick managed 40m pax last year (world's busiest single runway) they would presumably have a much higher number of passengers per movement.

Gatwick actually has two runways, but they're too close together to be used simultaneously.

Imagine the kerfuffle on here if we did that at Dublin :pac: it would be "only in Ireland would we waste all that money on a backup" etc.

Jamie2k9

Times reporting 250 million runway based on current plans and restrictions will be announced in the coming weeks.

http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/ireland/article1682186.ece?CMP=OTH-gnws-standard-2016_03_26

EDIT - Currently RY28 capacity allows 340 movements between 23.00-07.00 so they will have a good case to get the caps lifted.

Jamie2k9

Applied for last Thursday

Full Development Description


The construction of a Pre-Boarding Zone for passengers at the western end of Pier 1. This will comprise the removal of an existing equipment set-down area and staircore to the west of Pier 1; the construction of a single storey extension (c. 7.8m high) with a part mezzanine level plant room, linked to the existing west elevation of Pier 1 with a c. 7.75m. long linked corridor; and localised alterations to the glazing on the west elevation of Pier 1 to facilitate linkages with the proposed Pre-Boarding Zone. The proposed development will result in additional gross floor area of c. 1,066 sq.m. and includes all other ancillary site development works above and below ground. The application site comprises an area of c. 0.22 hectares.

http://www.fingal.ie/planning-and-buildings/apply-or-search-for-a-planning-application/search-planning-applications-online/searchplanningapplicationsonline/

TheFitz13

I know it's years away, but eventually when T3 is being planned, where do you all think they're going to put it?

Jamie2k9

TheFitz13 wrote: »

I know it's years away, but eventually when T3 is being planned, where do you all think they're going to put it?

Between both runways and it's a long time off. Would be ideal for all IAG carriers and other long haul operators to be based there.

Shannon Control

TheFitz13 wrote: »

I know it's years away, but eventually when T3 is being planned, where do you all think they're going to put it?

Should be around 16/34 area mid-field, but i'd say the west apron area will eventually be built into a terminal.

AndyBoBandy

Wherever T3 goes, it needs to have its own dedicated acces roads, and not rely on the current (M1) access into T1 & T2, which is a dastardly terrible set up.

Shannon Control

Shannon Control wrote: »

Should be around 16/34 area mid-field, but i'd say the west apron area will eventually be built into a terminal.

No on both counts, 16/34 is staying and new terminal will be sited roughly north of E5/E6.

AndyBoBandy

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Wherever T3 goes, it needs to have its own dedicated acces roads, and not rely on the current (M1) access into T1 & T2, which is a dastardly terrible set up.

Access will be from M2 via a spur.

Jamie2k9

https://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-the-airport/latest-news/16-04-05/%E2%82%AC40_Million_Aviation_Fuel_Storage_Facility_For_Dublin_Airport.aspx

€40 million aviation fuel storage facility with six times the current capacity is to be built at Dublin Airport Dublin Airport has awarded the Spanish company CLH Group a contract to Design, Finance, Build, Operate and Transfer (DFBOT) the aviation fuel storage facility at the airport.

They will finally commission the fuel hydrant system for use built as part of Pier E. I know D will also get one, would be surprised if they wast money for B and or A when there future is not fully known.

Idbatterim

Times reporting 250 million runway based on current plans and restrictions will be announced in the coming weeks.

http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/...ard-2016_03_26

EDIT - Currently RY28 capacity allows 340 movements between 23.00-07.00 so they will have a good case to get the caps lifted.

this was my question, if they simply build what they have permission for, can they not then when it is built or before, seek to get things changed?

Idbatterim

the issue with the caps is due to noise pollution for the most part I assume, I also assume that this is becoming less and less of an issue with new aircraft?

KoolKid

THE Dublin Airport Authority (DAA) is to press ahead with the building of a €250m second runway at the capital’s airport as passenger and cargo traffic numbers surge.

Should it not be 3rd if 16/34 is staying?

Tenger

KoolKid wrote: »

Should it not be 3rd if 16/34 is staying?

Its easier to say "2nd runway", as then they would have to explain why they need 16/34 AND 28/10 as it is. ("Second main runway" might be more correct) The media can just about cope with the fact that a runway can be used in both directions as it is.

jimbis

Yet another transport plan announced...... Metro north a go once again.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/luas-lines-to-bray-finglas-and-lucan-included-in-10-3bn-transport-plan-1.2601080

AndyBoBandy

Looks like they want their new runway by 2020

Dublin Airport to get new €320m runway

but other than the headline, nothing new really,

they are still deciding if they use their existing planning permission, or to re-evaluate and apply again.