Dublin Airport New Runway/Infrastructure.

Comhrá

Breaking story on Newstalk.ie - new runway has been announced for Dublin Airport.

Details not online yet - or at least I haven't been able to see them...

Edited:

It's here: http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/dublin-airport-to-get-new-320m-runway-supporting-1200-jobs-during-construction-34606750.html

peejay1986

Would the new runaway be able to cater for larger aircraft? Doesn't look too much longer.

Jamie2k9

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Looks like they want their new runway by 2020

Dublin Airport to get new 320m runway

but other than the headline, nothing new really,

they are still deciding if they use their existing planning permission, or to re-evaluate and apply again.

Using current

pclive

Press release from daa:

https://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-the-airport/latest-news/16-04-07/daa_To_Build_New_Runway_At_Dublin_Airport.aspx

AndyBoBandy

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Using current

Aye, but there are still 2 restrictions they'd like lifted,

I believe I read somewhere that these restrictions will mean parallel ops will be limited at certain times of the day??

tippman1

tippman1 wrote: »

Breaking story on Newstalk.ie - new runway has been announced for Dublin Airport.

Details not online yet - or at least I haven't been able to see them...

Edited:

It's here: http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/dublin-airport-to-get-new-320m-runway-supporting-1200-jobs-during-construction-34606750.html

Already a huge topic on new Dublin airport infrastructure which includes about half a dozen comments on this announcement.

Comhrá

Deleted User wrote: »

Already a huge topic on new Dublin airport infrastructure which includes about half a dozen comments on this announcement.

Yeah, should have posted there......in my haste I overlooked that thread.

kevin711

Very early days, guess we gotta wait to see the detail..
However, if DAA's image is correct, the new runway threshold markings appear to show a SHORTER runway than 10/28; maybe the 'new 3000 metre' runway is a bit of a red herring?

Also, The Journal have a graphic to suggest same?
Their diagram also shows all the land that DAA own - but it seems DAA don't plan to extend a new runway west past the L3132 at St. Margarets, even though they own the land....?

Hmm..

KwackerJack

Sorry but will this not be a 3rd runway?

ned14

kevin711 wrote: »

Very early days, guess we gotta wait to see the detail..
However, if DAA's image is correct, the new runway threshold markings appear to show a SHORTER runway than 10/28; maybe the 'new 3000 metre' runway is a bit of a red herring?

Also, The Journal have a graphic to suggest same?
Their diagram also shows all the land that DAA own - but it seems DAA don't plan to extend a new runway west past the L3132 at St. Margarets, even though they own the land....?

Hmm..

Looking at the planning application (publically available from Fingal Co. Co. here http://documents.fingalcoco.ie/NorthgatePublicDocs/00047239.pdf) It looks like there is a displaced threshold at 28R end of 450m, and 10L end of 280m.

donvito99

kevin711 wrote: »

Very early days, guess we gotta wait to see the detail..
However, if DAA's image is correct, the new runway threshold markings appear to show a SHORTER runway than 10/28; maybe the 'new 3000 metre' runway is a bit of a red herring?

Also, The Journal have a graphic to suggest same?
Their diagram also shows all the land that DAA own - but it seems DAA don't plan to extend a new runway west past the L3132 at St. Margarets, even though they own the land....?

Hmm..

For aircraft taking off it shouldn't matter, and that's the main issue to do with the subject of runway length.

LXFlyer

KwackerJack wrote: »

Sorry but will this not be a 3rd runway?

They mean second main runway - as posted elsewhere the media would only get confused.

Goat Paddock

donvito99 wrote: »

For aircraft taking off it shouldn't matter, and that's the main issue to do with the subject of runway length.

Is the runway long enough for the A380 or even upcoming Boeing ultra long haul jets

AndyBoBandy

Goat Paddock wrote: »

Is the runway long enough for the A380 or even upcoming Boeing ultra long haul jets

current 10/28 is long enough for an A380, just not a fully loaded one.

Goat Paddock

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

current 10/28 is long enough for an A380, just not a fully loaded one.

So it's not long enough then?
The B777 8x ultra long range model will be okay?

Goat Paddock

Goat Paddock wrote: »

So it's not long enough then?
The B777 8x ultra long range model will be okay?

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/boeing-reveals-ultra-long-range-777-8x-387108/

KwackerJack

lxflyer wrote: »

They mean second main runway - as posted elsewhere the media would only get confused.

I did think that but when a cross wind hits then 16-35 would technically be the main RW

Anyway, will this be for the current aircraft or will we get to see the big boys coming back in?

Captain Chaos

It will be longer than the current main runway anyway, don't know if it will be longer than Shannon.

LXFlyer

KwackerJack wrote: »

I did think that but when a cross wind hits then 16-35 would technically be the main RW

Anyway, will this be for the current aircraft or will we get to see the big boys coming back in?

Explaining the cross-wind runway I think to Joe Bloggs would be difficult.

Easier just to refer to a second runway - it's just shorthand for second main runway.

Keep it simple!!

goingnowhere

Shannon 3199m

New 28R/10L 3110m
Current 28/10 2637m

donvito99

Goat Paddock wrote: »

So it's not long enough then?
The B777 8x ultra long range model will be okay?

Goat Paddock wrote: »

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/boeing-reveals-ultra-long-range-777-8x-387108/

A new runway caters to these aircraft. By the time it's finished, it's likely there'll be an Emirates scheduled A380 anyway.

There are few if any routes that are feasible at present that demand a longer runway.

Comhrá

lxflyer wrote: »

Explaining the cross-wind runway I think to Joe Bloggs would be difficult.

Easier just to refer to a second runway - it's just shorthand for second main runway.

Keep it simple!!

In fairness nowadays I think most people are reasonably cognisant of things like crosswinds and for those who aren't, it's not too hard a concept to explain

Never under-estimate other folks.

LXFlyer

tippman1 wrote: »

In fairness nowadays I think most people are reasonably cognisant of things like crosswinds and for those who aren't, it's not too hard a concept to explain

Never under-estimate other folks.

You would be surprised.

I recently took a straw poll of about a dozen people who wouldn't have a particular interest in aviation and asked them what dictated the direction aircraft landed or took off.

Not one realised it was due to the wind direction.

Locker10a

tippman1 wrote: »

In fairness nowadays I think most people are reasonably cognisant of things like crosswinds and for those who aren't, it's not too hard a concept to explain

Never under-estimate other folks.

I'm sorry but I very much under-estimate other folk, while there are some people out there switched on enough to cop these things, the majority aren't..... All you have to do is read comments under news items on Facebook..... Alternatively take up a job directly dealing with the public.......

BonkeyDonker

donvito99 wrote: »

A new runway caters to these aircraft. By the time it's finished, it's likely there'll be an Emirates scheduled A380 anyway.

There are few if any routes that are feasible at present that demand a longer runway.

This. A route(s) to China direct is all that is really missing at the moment and anything beyond that would require a stop anyway I would imagine, so is already covered by the existing flights through Dubai etc.

loyatemu

so after this is built and flights are scheduled based on there being 2 runways, what happens when there are cross winds?

LiamaDelta

loyatemu wrote: »

so after this is built and flights are scheduled based on there being 2 runways, what happens when there are cross winds?

Loads of delays and cancellations!!

Goat Paddock

donvito99 wrote: »

A new runway caters to these aircraft. By the time it's finished, it's likely there'll be an Emirates scheduled A380 anyway.

There are few if any routes that are feasible at present that demand a longer runway.

BonkeyDonker wrote: »

This. A route(s) to China direct is all that is really missing at the moment and anything beyond that would require a stop anyway I would imagine, so is already covered by the existing flights through Dubai etc.

The B777 8x could make it direct from Dublin to Australia, alot of Irish people there

Chris_5339762

... but better than a complete shutdown due to wind and a better option than removing 16/34 when its there, in good condition, and gets a reasonable bit of use.

donvito99

Goat Paddock wrote: »

The B777 8x could make it direct from Dublin to Australia, alot of Irish people there

There's lots of Irish there for sure, but that's not the way the industry is going any time soon. There won't be a DUB-SYD, but there'll be plenty doing DUB-DXB/AUH/LHR/FRA/IST/etc-SYD.

The 778x will have plenty of legs, but so does the 772LR and these are heaped in with all other widebodies doing DXB-Europe. The performance of an aircraft isn't as important as it used to be, but may well be in the future if it's economical enough, or if JetA1 stays as low as it is.