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All Blacks Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread

  • 14-05-2013 6:58am
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,631 Swiwi


    What it says on the label...


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,631 Swiwi


    Players named for All Blacks wider training group camps

    Blues
    Frank Halai, Steven Luatua, Keven Mealamu, Charles Piutau, Rene Ranger, Francis Saili, Piri Weepu and Ali Williams.

    Chiefs
    Ben Afeaki, Sam Cane, Aaron Cruden, Tawera Kerr-Barlow, Liam Messam and Brodie Retallick.

    Hurricanes
    Beauden Barrett, Dane Coles, Ben Franks, TJ Perenara, Julian Savea, Brad Shields, Conrad Smith, Jeff Toomaga-Allen and Victor Vito.

    Crusaders
    Dominic Bird, Daniel Carter, Wyatt Crockett, Israel Dagg, Owen Franks, Kieran Read, Luke Romano, Tom Taylor and Samuel Whitelock.

    Highlanders
    Hosea Gear, Andrew Hore, Ma'a Nonu, Aaron Smith, Ben Smith and Tony Woodcock.


    Profiles on the uncapped players here

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10883576


    Talking points of the first squad

    1) Only 1 specialist openside (Cane). Expect to see 1 of Braid, Todd or Latimer named in the final squad. Braid for my money.

    2) Some exciting new faces, anyone with decent SXV form has been rewarded.

    3) The out of form vets are still there, fair enough to show they have still got it, but time must be ticking for a few. No pressure, or anything, lads.

    4) Apparently Ranger has not definitively confirmed a move to Montpellier yet...


    Irish fans can expect to see some new faces in November at the Aviva: the 3 most promising in my opinion

    Ben Afeaki is a highly promising tighthead prop, the best potential since Carl Hayman

    Stephen Luatua looks like NZ's answer to Ferris, and then some

    T J Perenara is a dynamic scrumhalf with a nose for the tryline


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,207 ✭✭✭ durkadurka


    I'm just going to say something so poor old Swiwi isn't posting to himself !


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,631 Swiwi


    durkadurka wrote: »
    I'm just going to say something so poor old Swiwi isn't posting to himself !

    I could talk to myself all day about ABs rugby. They have "secure facilities" for people like me... (mutters to self)


  • Registered Users Posts: 697 pajunior


    At what point do we mention that Heaslip and Kearney are better than Read and Dagg?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,631 Swiwi


    pajunior wrote: »
    At what point do we mention that Heaslip and Kearney are better than Read and Dagg?

    When they are.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,631 Swiwi


    My best wishes to Doug Howlett for the future. All time AB record try scorer and a handy contributor to Munster too. Would make a great backs coach.


  • Registered Users Posts: 431 ✭✭ part time punk


    Request for renaming thread to BNZ Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,218 ✭✭✭✭ bilston


    How has Sam Cane been going this year Swiwi? I remember he made his All Black debut against us last year and he looked just like another McCaw.


  • Registered Users Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭ thomond2006


    Request for renaming thread to BNZ Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread

    How about AIG All Blacks Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread.

    Regards,
    AIG


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,555 ✭✭✭✭ errlloyd


    I realise it's off topic. But how do sponsors game naming rights over national teams like the "Quantas Wallabies". Can they only be called those names during exhibition matches (like lions tours)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,234 trouttrout


    Surprised Andscombe didn't make the squad. Might he be tempted overseas for a year or two?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,631 Swiwi


    bilston wrote: »
    How has Sam Cane been going this year Swiwi? I remember he made his All Black debut against us last year and he looked just like another McCaw.

    He has been going OK for the Chiefs. For reasons I don't fully understand, he doesn't always start, with Rennie sometimes preferring Tanerau Latimer (who is a bit of a journeyman to be frank).

    He looked promising against Ireland I agree, but has had limited opportunities since, so this 3 test series against France is his chance to secure the back-up 7 role.

    McCaw will be a hard act to follow, but when I have seen Cane play, he certainly reads the game well, and runs good lines for an openside.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,631 Swiwi


    errlloyd wrote: »
    I realise it's off topic. But how do sponsors game naming rights over national teams like the "Quantas Wallabies". Can they only be called those names during exhibition matches (like lions tours)

    $ or €, depending on where you live.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,631 Swiwi


    trouttrout wrote: »
    Surprised Andscombe didn't make the squad. Might he be tempted overseas for a year or two?

    He broke bones in his foot, trouttrout, and is out for 6 weeks.

    Unfortunately for him he plays 10 & 15. Good luck getting past Carter (& Cruden) for 10, and even better luck getting past Dagg (or Ben Smith or new whizz-kid Charles Piutau) for 15.

    He's still exceptionally young, but players seems to lose patience very quickly in the modern world (not like when we played rugby back in the good ol' days), so maybe he'll up sticks in a year or 2 if he can't progress. I think he is Welsh-qualified, if he wants.

    Edit: His best bet might be to switch to wing. Hansen mentioned a bit of a lack of depth, especially at 14 with Cory Jane injured, so that might be the way to go. He's going to have to play exceptionally well, or other players get injured, to get a 10 or 15 jersey at the moment.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭ Depp


    They'l really miss richie i reckon


  • Registered Users Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭ thomond2006


    The French squad for the series against New Zealand:

    Avants (19) :

    Eddy Ben Arous (Racing-Métro), Vincent Debaty (Clermont), Thomas Domingo (Clermont),

    Guilhem Guirado (Perpignan), Benjamin Kayser (Clermont), Dimitri Szarzewski (Racing-Métro),

    Luc Ducalcon (Racing-Métro), Daniel Kotze (Clermont), Nicolas Mas (Perpignan),

    Alexandre Flanquart (Stade Français), Yoann Maestri (Toulouse), Christophe Samson (Castres), Sébastien Vahaamahina (Perpignan),

    Yannick Nyanga (Toulouse), Fulgence Ouedraogo (Montpellier), Thierry Dusautoir (Toulouse, cap.), Bernard Le Roux (Racing-Métro), Antonie Claassen (Castres), Louis Picamoles (Toulouse).

    Arrières (16) :

    Maxime Machenaud (Racing-Métro), Morgan Parra (Clermont),

    Frédéric Michalak (Toulon), Camille Lopez (Bordeaux-Bègles), Rémi Talès (Castres),

    Mathieu Bastareaud (Toulon), Gael Fickou (Toulouse), Wesley Fofana (Clermont), Florian Fritz (Toulouse), Maxime Mermoz (Toulon),

    Maxime Médard (Toulouse), Noa Nakaitaci (Clermont), Alexis Palisson (Toulon), Adrien Planté (Perpignan),

    Brice Dulin (Castres), Yoann Huget (Touloluse).

    The big missing name is Francois Trinh-Duc.


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,218 ✭✭✭✭ bilston


    The French squad for the series against New Zealand:

    Avants (19) :

    Eddy Ben Arous (Racing-Métro), Vincent Debaty (Clermont), Thomas Domingo (Clermont),

    Guilhem Guirado (Perpignan), Benjamin Kayser (Clermont), Dimitri Szarzewski (Racing-Métro),

    Luc Ducalcon (Racing-Métro), Daniel Kotze (Clermont), Nicolas Mas (Perpignan),

    Alexandre Flanquart (Stade Français), Yoann Maestri (Toulouse), Christophe Samson (Castres), Sébastien Vahaamahina (Perpignan),

    Yannick Nyanga (Toulouse), Fulgence Ouedraogo (Montpellier), Thierry Dusautoir (Toulouse, cap.), Bernard Le Roux (Racing-Métro), Antonie Claassen (Castres), Louis Picamoles (Toulouse).

    Arrières (16) :

    Maxime Machenaud (Racing-Métro), Morgan Parra (Clermont),

    Frédéric Michalak (Toulon), Camille Lopez (Bordeaux-Bègles), Rémi Talès (Castres),

    Mathieu Bastareaud (Toulon), Gael Fickou (Toulouse), Wesley Fofana (Clermont), Florian Fritz (Toulouse), Maxime Mermoz (Toulon),

    Maxime Médard (Toulouse), Noa Nakaitaci (Clermont), Alexis Palisson (Toulon), Adrien Planté (Perpignan),

    Brice Dulin (Castres), Yoann Huget (Touloluse).

    The big missing name is Francois Trinh-Duc.

    And yet Freddie remains.


  • Registered Users Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭ thomond2006


    bilston wrote: »
    And yet Freddie remains.

    From what I've seen of Lopez, he's a very good player. He'll be at Perpignan next year to compete with James Hook for the 10 shirt.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,234 trouttrout


    Trinh Duc is getting a very raw deal


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,631 Swiwi


    Depp wrote: »
    They'l really miss richie i reckon

    Don't think anyone else will, though :p


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,631 Swiwi


    The French squad for the series against New Zealand

    I'm happy the French appear to have chosen a decent side. Should provide a nice entrée to the main dish in Australia.

    I'd be interested Thomond on your thoughts on some of the uncapped French players, as I never watch Top 14, and I know you keep an eye on it.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 373 ✭✭ Ruck Inspector


    Sam Cane injured?

    Also surprised Brad Shields was overlooked.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,631 Swiwi


    Sam Cane injured?

    Also surprised Brad Shields was overlooked.

    Minor injury for Cane means he misses the game this weekend, but he'll be right for the French tests. The Canes coach rotates Brad Shields in and out of the starting XV. I'm still not 100% convinced by Shields, although he has definitely been better this season than last. I'd say the AB selectors will go with Messam & Luatua as their 6s.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,152 ✭✭✭ GiftofGab


    Don't think the All-Blacks should be as feared as they were a few years ago. My person opinion only! Think they might dip in form this year. Australia would give these guys a great run for the money at the moment.

    Some players are way off form / past it. Nonu for example. He shouldn't make any top international side any more. Great in his time. Dagg once set the world alight but hasn't done anything in a while.

    They need Ranger at the moment. Can't afford to lose him. He's moved to 13 and has been playing some of the best rugby of his career.

    Halai is another wonder. Looking forward to seeing him in an all black shirt.

    Would have though Nani-Williams should be in the squad. He should have taken Nonu's spot.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,631 Swiwi


    GiftofGab wrote: »
    Don't think the All-Blacks should be as feared as they were a few years ago. My person opinion only! Think they might dip in form this year. Australia would give these guys a great run for the money at the moment.

    Some players are way off form / past it. Nonu for example. He shouldn't make any top international side any more. Great in his time. Dagg once set the world alight but hasn't done anything in a while.

    They need Ranger at the moment. Can't afford to lose him. He's moved to 13 and has been playing some of the best rugby of his career.

    Halai is another wonder. Looking forward to seeing him in an all black shirt.

    Would have though Nani-Williams should be in the squad. He should have taken Nonu's spot.

    I'm hoping GiftofGab that the Bledisloe series will be more closely fought this year than in recent times, where it has become a bit of a yawn. The Aussie team does potentially look stronger this year, although the Crusaders 8 made mincemeat of the Brumbies pack a couple of weeks ago. However, there are not too many Aussie certs from the Brumbies pack (probably just George Smith), so I'm not reading too much into that.

    Both Nonu & Dagg have made an artform of converting lackadaisical SXV form into compelling international displays, so I wouldn't write either of them off. Dagg in particular now has genuine competition for the 15 jersey, so he can't afford to slacken off. Ever since I've watched rugby, depth at 12 has always been an issue for the ABs, we usually have one (maximum 2) good 12 on the books, and have never produced our own Tim Horan.

    For me the jury is still out on Ranger & TNW. Ranger has all the skills & ability, but needs to show he can play error-free rugby at the highest levels, while TNW needs to show he can tackle. As it is, TNW is out of rugby for a few weeks with a stomach ulcer, so he wasn't available.

    Frank Halai has kind of crept up on NZ rugby, at 25 he's relatively old to be playing his first season of SXV, but he has a good chance of starting the June internationals in the 14 jersey. Looks to have all the requisite skills for an international winger.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,881 PhatPiggins


    Swiwi wrote: »
    Minor injury for Cane means he misses the game this weekend, but he'll be right for the French tests. The Canes coach rotates Brad Shields in and out of the starting XV. I'm still not 100% convinced by Shields, although he has definitely been better this season than last. I'd say the AB selectors will go with Messam & Luatua as their 6s.

    Really like and respect Messam as a player and as someone who stuck it out to become an All Blacks regular.

    Could have moved abroad numerous times but is one of those good ol days players you talk about Swiwi.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,631 Swiwi


    Really like and respect Messam as a player and as someone who stuck it out to become an All Blacks regular.

    Could have moved abroad numerous times but is one of those good ol days players you talk about Swiwi.

    You can add Hosea Gear to that list. A lot of players seem to throw the toys out of the cot if they don't make the ABs after 1 or 2 seasons but Messam & Gear have stuck with it and like yourself I admire them for it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 927 AngeGal


    I guess slightly off topic but would you know much about Jake Heenan Swiwi?


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,317 ✭✭✭ Teferi


    AngeGal wrote: »
    I guess slightly off topic but would you know much about Jake Heenan Swiwi?

    Was just coming into the thread to ask about him myself.

    Very strange. Surely if someone is captaining the U20's they are all but destined for an All Black shirt, at the very least they would have a lot of potential anyway. Seems like a bit of a coup for Connacht tbh, hopefully he does well for them.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 687 lurtz


    he was co captain, Id imagine Lam convinced him that a few years abroad would do him the world of good,like gatland convinced junior charlie back in the day. or maybe less likely,he doesnt think he'll ever play for NZ,or maybe jsut wants to give himself the option of either


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