Second Captains

dulux99

To go back a couple of days to Derval O' Rourke, she kind of grated on me during his first appearance a couple of weeks ago but I decided to give her the benefit of the doubt, but I found her second appearance just annoying. She struck me as a complete know-it-all, and you can't have an attitude like that when you're promoting a sport like athletics, where probably 95% of the population only watch it every couple of years.

As a big MMA fan I understand how it is when the general public are only interested in your sport once every 6 months or so, but if you contrast her appearances on SC with the likes of Petesy Carroll (MMA journo), it's night and day. I wouldn't like to be sat next to Derval at an athletics event, that's for certain.

Raoul

Arghus wrote: »

I found that of a bit of a strange comnent from Ken. I kind of get his point, but since when did he care about the League of Ireland? He makes his own living poring over every miniscule event in The Premier League looking for significance. Sounded a bit condescending and slightly hypocritical to me.

I don't think it was. He was just stating a fact really. Most LoI supporters hate to see the AVIVA sold out for an absolutely awful friendly.

styron

Raoul wrote: »

I don't think it was. He was just stating a fact really. Most LoI supporters hate to see the AVIVA sold out for an absolutely awful friendly.

Ex Shels manager Dermot Keely made the point strongly about the last Liverpool Aviva friendly in 2014:

“It’s absolutely shocking 42,000 morons going to watch Liverpool’s reserve team – they deserve to go, they deserve to pay their money, they deserve anything they get as far as I’m concerned.
“I do not understand how Irish people cannot support an Irish league. It’s beyond me. If you parachuted half that crowd into Liverpool, they wouldn’t be able to find their way to Anfield.”

He added: “You can’t stall it to go the toilet or make a cup of tea! That’s what they’re into now – you’re in here, you watch your tele and you can go on and stall it, go off and come back and you don’t miss any of the match – that’s not football.”

Even part of the Wikipedia entry for bar stool:

... Bar stools are used in Ireland during weekends by followers of the English Premier League, a practice which led to the creation of the pejorative term "barstoolers" by supporters of the League of Ireland.

corwill

styron wrote: »

Ex Shels manager Dermot Keely made the point strongly about the last Liverpool Aviva friendly in 2014:




Even part of the Wikipedia entry for bar stool:

The LoI doing their usual sterling job of wooing potential adherents. Could teach Shelbyville to chew lemons.

Raoul

corwill wrote: »

The LoI doing their usual sterling job of wooing potential adherents. Could teach Shelbyville to chew lemons.

Well...he is right though.

Anyway, why should LOI fans pander or try to get other fans to come to games. Fooling yourself if you think that calling them morons would have any affect on them. They aren't going to go regardless cos they are morons.

corwill

Raoul wrote: »

Well...he is right though.

Anyway, why should LOI fans pander or try to get other fans to come to games. Fooling yourself if you think that calling them morons would have any affect on them. They aren't going to go regardless cos they are morons.

So, you have no interest in growing attendances at the LoI from the most obvious potential source of attendees? That's super clever. Have a biscuit.

Evil_g

corwill wrote: »

So, you have no interest in growing attendances at the LoI from the most obvious potential source of attendees? That's super clever. Have a biscuit.

The most obvious potential source of attendees are probably people who currently attend rugby or GAA games.

Y'know, people who support Irish teams.

Baggly

Evil_g wrote: »

The most obvious potential source of attendees are probably people who currently attend rugby or GAA games.

Y'know, people who support Irish teams.

I disagree - their allegiances to those teams are just as strong as any LOI allegiances. I don't know if it came down to a choice in terms of money and availability, would anyone who already supports an Irish team be willing to swap for their local LOI team.

I can't fault the effort of the players, but the league has, IMO, major structural issues, an image problem and has a major problem with the best players being poached by the English league.

It's not up to the the fans or Irish public to fix any of those problems.

Evil_g

On a seperate note, I'm surprised we haven't had any one in yet decrying the lack of balance on the Nazi chat.

Should've had a eugenisist on.

dulpit

Evil_g wrote: »

On a seperate note, I'm surprised we haven't had any one in yet decrying the lack of balance on the Nazi chat.

Should've had a eugenisist on.

Really enjoyed that pod, one of the best politics podcasts so far...

Raoul

Pter wrote: »

I disagree - their allegiances to those teams are just as strong as any LOI allegiances. I don't know if it came down to a choice in terms of money and availability, would anyone who already supports an Irish team be willing to swap for their local LOI team.

I can't fault the effort of the players, but the league has, IMO, major structural issues, an image problem and has a major problem with the best players being poached by the English league.

It's not up to the the fans or Irish public to fix any of those problems.

This is and isn't a problem. If the teams were getting paid money for the players then it is great! If they are leaving for free then it is a negative. But if people are continually being poached then maybe you get some of the so called barstoolers coming to games to see the future stars of the International team and the Championship.

Agree with in general though. Still would be great if more people would go to games.

Baggly

Raoul wrote: »

This is and isn't a problem. If the teams were getting paid money for the players then it is great! If they are leaving for free then it is a negative. But if people are continually being poached then maybe you get some of the so called barstoolers coming to games to see the future stars of the International team and the Championship.

Agree with in general though. Still would be great if more people would go to games.

For myself, i was a regular at Dalymount for 10 years or so from age 13-23, but i lost interest as i felt the quality of football wasnt good enough to keep me engaged.

Also i found my fellow Bohs fans terrible negative as i got older. Don't have time for such negativity!

I dont know if im one of the people the league should or shouldnt be targetting, but i barely have time to watch any games anymore (English or Irish), and the league arent, IMO, giving me reasons to put in the extra effort.

Raoul

Pter wrote: »

For myself, i was a regular at Dalymount for 10 years or so from age 13-23, but i lost interest as i felt the quality of football wasnt good enough to keep me engaged.

Also i found my fellow Bogs fans terrible negative as i got older. Don't have time for such negativity!

I dont know if im one of the people the league should or shouldnt be targetting, but i barely have time to watch any games anymore (English or Irish), and the league arent, IMO, giving me reasons to put in the extra effort.

Well there is a pretty stark contrast in the standard of football in the league from the top half to the bottom. Dundalk and Derry (and Rovers) play good passing football which is genuinely great to watch. Cork are also playing at a high standard with a more direct approach. The rest of the teams aren't at this level but still decent enough. This year would actually be a great year to support Bohs. They have a small budget but are playing ok football and outperforming expectations.

I think one of the main issues is the presentation of the football. The premier league is glitz and glamour and professionalism and you can watch the best teams any time you want, most people support a top team. Whereas in the LoI, you are stuck supporting Bohs instead of Dundalk. F*ck people will watch WBA v Burnley on TV, you have the same problem here. Nobody is interested in Drogheda v Sligo.

If you were a Dundalk fan then you are watching an extremely good standard of football week in week out. You are also playing good European teams and putting it up to them. Dundalk drew 2 times with Rosenborg who beat Ajax and were just about beaten by Celtic. It is easy to go and support Dundalk. People don't want to support crap teams unfortunately.

Anyway...sorry for going off topic.

Baggly

Raoul wrote: »

Well there is a pretty stark contrast in the standard of football in the league from the top half to the bottom. Dundalk and Derry (and Rovers) play good passing football which is genuinely great to watch. Cork are also playing at a high standard with a more direct approach. The rest of the teams aren't at this level but still decent enough. This year would actually be a great year to support Bohs. They have a small budget but are playing ok football and outperforming expectations.

I think one of the main issues is the presentation of the football. The premier league is glitz and glamour and professionalism and you can watch the best teams any time you want, most people support a top team. Whereas in the LoI, you are stuck supporting Bohs instead of Dundalk. F*ck people will watch WBA v Burnley on TV, you have the same problem here. Nobody is interested in Drogheda v Sligo.

If you were a Dundalk fan then you are watching an extremely good standard of football week in week out. You are also playing good European teams and putting it up to them. Dundalk drew 2 times with Rosenborg who beat Ajax and were just about beaten by Celtic. It is easy to go and support Dundalk. People don't want to support crap teams unfortunately.

Anyway...sorry for going off topic.

Fair points!

Back on topic - i didnt get to the politics pod yet today, but i a really relishing how annoyed Ken gets looking at transfers. The Neymar one was peak Ken being annoyed.

Ken reviewing the Hoffenheim managers ideas to improve football was particularly good as well.

sayno

I am having problems the last few weeks getting my podcasts to download on a Itouch. Anyone else having problems

Brock Turnpike

Raoul wrote: »

This is and isn't a problem. If the teams were getting paid money for the players then it is great! If they are leaving for free then it is a negative. But if people are continually being poached then maybe you get some of the so called barstoolers coming to games to see the future stars of the International team and the Championship.
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They should push this more in their limited promotion of the league. There are clearly good young players plying their trade in the LOI. The list of players that have gone LOI -> UK -> ROI in the past decade alone is quite impressive..

lawred2

women's rugby

big fat meh

riemann

I like to think between work, football, college and other acquaintances I've made down through the years, that I've a decent variety of friends.

Two things that have never come up in conversation of any kind is women's rugby or mma. I very much doubt I'm in the minority here.

Fair enough Ireland are hosting the women's world cup so i can understand the lads covering it to score some brownie points, no one wants to be branded a sexist.

I can't for the life of me understand their coverage of what is for all intents and purposes a glorified WWE match, and Ken is going to Vegas?! Really brings the tone of the podcast down.

Maybe I'm completely misjudging the public discourse here, but I think they have got it all wrong and are damaging their brand in the long term. You can't laugh and sneer at something and then travel half way across the world to cover it, reeks of having ones cake and eating it.

Ol' Donie

I'm glad Ken's going, because I seem to remember his previous trips to Vegas were gas.

Don't know why people seem to be so sure Mayweather will win this. My money's on The Undertaker roaring in on his Harley to swipe the belt or whatever the winner gets (apart from billions of dollars).

Ol' Donie

Meanwhile, I too know nobody who follows MMA, except that absolute numbskull who squared up to the (non national) guy behind the till in Centra the other day. "Wanna step outside, boy?" And so on. Matching Conor McGregor haircut, beard etc.

He got all het up because his card was declined, and decided the poor guy who was just doing his job was "trying to make a show" of him.

So many, many positives surrounding cage fighting.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

Ol' Donie wrote: »

Meanwhile, I too know nobody who follows MMA, except that absolute numbskull who squared up to the (non national) guy behind the till in Centra the other day. "Wanna step outside, boy?" And so on. Matching Conor McGregor haircut, beard etc.

He got all het up because his card was declined, and decided the poor guy who was just doing his job was "trying to make a show" of him.

So many, many positives surrounding cage fighting.

YOU ****ING WOT M8 ILL SMASH YOURE HEAD IN M8 U LIKE PICKN UP YER BROKEN TEETH WITH UR BROKEN FINGERS M8?

/cage fighter.

Arghus

Some of you guys have never had a conversation about MMA? For real? I think I hear about it everyday at work - no exaggeration.

I don't follow MMA and I think that, yes, this fight is largely a nonsense, but I'm bloody glad Ken is going. I think he'll see it for what it is and give the complete and unvarnished truth about all of it - the hype, the setting, the ludicrousness of it all. That kind of stuff is usually him at his very best. His last trip to Vegas was absolutely gas. I think they can sneer at something and still send their best man out to cover it, because it is bigger than a regular sporting contest - it isn't even really a sporting contest: it's a cultural event of spectacular bad taste, blown out of all proportion by hype and money. And Ken is the man to get to the core of it. Looking forward immensely to his reports.

JoseJones

riemann wrote: »

I like to think between work, football, college and other acquaintances I've made down through the years, that I've a decent variety of friends.

Two things that have never come up in conversation of any kind is women's rugby or mma. I very much doubt I'm in the minority here.

Fair enough Ireland are hosting the women's world cup so i can understand the lads covering it to score some brownie points, no one wants to be branded a sexist.

I can't for the life of me understand their coverage of what is for all intents and purposes a glorified WWE match, and Ken is going to Vegas?! Really brings the tone of the podcast down.

Maybe I'm completely misjudging the public discourse here, but I think they have got it all wrong and are damaging their brand in the long term. You can't laugh and sneer at something and then travel half way across the world to cover it, reeks of having ones cake and eating it.

I agree with you here, there is huge public interest.

Baggly

I think it's important that journalists don't just cover things they like or agree with.

If that were the case, we wouldn't have informed debate on both sides of an issue.

tomwaits48

IT are likely sending Ken to Vegas.

Say Your Number

I grew weary of this McGregor phenomenon a long time ago, but I'm really looking forward to Ken's take on it, someone made the genius decision to send him to the London Olympics in 2012 and he was brilliant, I'd be far more interested on his take on things than any UFC experts out there.

lawred2

Anyone using pocketcasts end up with both of yesterday's pods being the same audio file? Despite being named differently?

lawred2

JoseJones wrote: »

riemann wrote: »

I like to think between work, football, college and other acquaintances I've made down through the years, that I've a decent variety of friends.

Two things that have never come up in conversation of any kind is women's rugby or mma. I very much doubt I'm in the minority here.

Fair enough Ireland are hosting the women's world cup so i can understand the lads covering it to score some brownie points, no one wants to be branded a sexist.

I can't for the life of me understand their coverage of what is for all intents and purposes a glorified WWE match, and Ken is going to Vegas?! Really brings the tone of the podcast down.

Maybe I'm completely misjudging the public discourse here, but I think they have got it all wrong and are damaging their brand in the long term. You can't laugh and sneer at something and then travel half way across the world to cover it, reeks of having ones cake and eating it.

I agree with you here, there is huge public interest.

Perversion more like.

CiaranW

lawred2 wrote:

Anyone using pocketcasts end up with both of yesterday's pods being the same audio file? Despite being named differently?

Yeah, it happened to me on podcast addict, refreshed the podcasts and the football showed up then, over an hour long.

CaptivePortal

riemann wrote: »

I like to think between work, football, college and other acquaintances I've made down through the years, that I've a decent variety of friends.

Two things that have never come up in conversation of any kind is women's rugby or mma. I very much doubt I'm in the minority here.

Same but for League of Ireland