What are the pros and cons of multiracial multicultural society?

crockholm

laoch na mona wrote: »

I am sorry your wife was verbally abused

now to my point my cousin was called a Paddy bastard by a lad he got in a fight with in London should we hate the English no, was it wrong to use nationality as an insult yes, correlation does not imply causality.

so don't imply that immigrants insulting your wife to them having a problem with Swedish people or Blonde? people

didn't know blonde was a race but ok

My wife was called that in her own country,by immigrants who pestered her and her friends for sex.Blonde is used as a substitute for what they deem as foreign or different to themselves,to give an example,you bastard or you black bastard,which is loaded?

Legs.Eleven

crockholm wrote: »

My wife was called that in her own country,by immigrants who pestered her and her friends for sex.Blonde is used as a substitute for what they deem as foreign or different to themselves,to give an example,you bastard or you black bastard,which is loaded?

Did you miss my post?

jank

old hippy wrote: »

So, what part of equality gets you in a state, then?

Using 'equality' to take people's freedoms.

Legs.Eleven

jank wrote: »

Using 'equality' to take people's freedoms.

Is anyone actually watching the videos this lot are posting up??

old hippy

Yeah, cool clips bro. But I can't access them.

Say it from the heart - why equality and the moves to bring it about upset you so.

Cavehill Red

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

Still waiting for those stats, Woodoo!! Any evidence at all? Any? No? Didn't think so.

How's your Norwegian?
Here's a dedicated report by the Norwegian Police into rape in Oslo, compiled in 2011. You'll see on p. 53 a series of pie charts which categorise the rapists by continent of origin, on a series of years from 2001 to 2010. What's notable is that not in any single year are Norwegians the majority of rapists, even in their own capital.
One particularly eye-opening statistic is that in 2007, there were more African rapists in Oslo than Norwegian ones. And that's from a baseline population of under 50,000 total Africans (women included) living in the entire country.
To summarise: in 2007 there were more rapes in Oslo by the c. 20,000 African men living there than there were by the 600,000 Norwegian men living there.
Figures are similarly concerning relating to men of Middle Eastern origin. And when considering the rape statistics attributed to Asian men it is worth noting that apart from the female immigrants from Thailand and Vietnam, almost all immigrants to Norway classified as 'Asian' are from conservative Muslim nations - Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, Turkey and Afghanistan.
(It's worth noting also that possessing a Norwegian passport or a Norwegian parent qualifies you as Norwegian for the purposes of these statistics. Therefore it is highly possible that some of those categorised as Norwegian rapists are naturalised immigrants or the children of an immigrant.)
In fact, Europeans (which incidentally includes the whole of Europe, not just the EU or EFTA) have not been responsible for the majority of rapes in Oslo for more than a decade now.
It's also notable that as of January 2009, non-Norwegians accounted for only 25% of the city's population, according to ssb.no.
That's just Oslo. They keep very good statistics there. But it's hardly an isolated case. There are plenty of mainstream media reports of very similar patterns in Stockholm, Copenhagen and especially Malmo.

FTA69

crockholm wrote: »

You asked a different poster about living in an immigrant area,I can't answer for him,but I do, and my wife has been called a"Swedish Whore" and "Blonde C##t" by Turks here,as have many of her friends.

Nobody is denying that some immigrants do the b*llocks, or that others (often of an Islamic disposition) categorically oppose their host country and attempt to harass those who don't conform to their outdated nonsense. However the difference is that the above don't represent immigrant communities.

First of all not all Muslims are strictly devout. Second of all the vast majority of devout Muslims don't expect anyone to share their beliefs, least of all the average Brit or Dane or Swede. Lastly even the ones who are devout and only associate within that community are, in the case of the vast majority, unassuming and won't be hassling anyone for not wearing a hijab or whatever. For every arsehole like Abu Hamza there are hundreds of Muslims mortified at his carry on and want nothing to do with that brand at all.

I often work in a part of East London that's overwhelmingly Bangladeshi Muslim, a place where all the women have a hijab and some even a full burkha. And guess what? Nobody has ever said boo to me or my colleagues on the street, in the halal butchers, in the cafe or anywhere because they're too busy minding their own business.

Despite the hysteria going on about the place it's just a normal gaff to be in.

crockholm

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

You can't prove your claims therefore they are unproven. I wouldn't make claims it was the crab people without being able to back it up. End of conversations.




I was called a blonde slut, whore, slag by white Irish men in Dublin. What's your point? Interestingly, outside of Dublin, the worst I've been called in my multicultural nieghbourhoods is "puta" (whore) by a white Spaniard and also a "Foreign dickhead" by an old Spanish woman and also told to go home back to my own country by another Spanish guy on the Metro.





Nice one.

Police do not mention race when looking for a suspect here,unlike London,IC1,IC2,IC3 etc, so the victims of the gang rapes in sundbyberg and alby,when giving their statements mentioned "Arabic and accented Swedish",so by your logic,police should be questioning Finnish people.

laoch na mona

crockholm wrote: »

My wife was called that in her own country,by immigrants who pestered her and her friends for sex.Blonde is used as a substitute for what they deem as foreign or different to themselves,to give an example,you bastard or you black bastard,which is loaded?

her own country? is she a monarch and how do you know they weren't citizens did they flash their passports, and why is immigrants being arseholes worse then natives being arseholes. As long as patriarchy exists then their will always be dicks making passes and being pervs.

Its laughable that you think immigrant arseholes are worse then native arsewholes. since all that you see is their ethnicity it would have been ok if it was white lads being pervs

FTA69

Also while I've no time for racist claptrap there's no glossing over the fact that some cultures have antiquated views of women and think it's acceptable to behave in a certain manner toward them. Having a large group of unemployed young men hanging around the gaff that have little experience of their host culture and have grown up with the idea of women as second class citizens is a dangerous prospect. One only has to look at the horrific examples of grooming and gang rape of disadvantaged white girls by groups of much older Pakistani men in the north of England.

This is not to say that this is definitive of the Pakistani community, it isn't, but that (along with things like female genital mutilation, killing kids for witchcraft etc) are unfortunately going to feature in any massive mix of cultures like you have in the UK.

Nodin

jank wrote: »

Using 'equality' to take people's freedoms.
..........

Well if two right wingers say so, it must be so.

old hippy

crockholm wrote: »

My wife was called that in her own country,by immigrants who pestered her and her friends for sex.Blonde is used as a substitute for what they deem as foreign or different to themselves,to give an example,you bastard or you black bastard,which is loaded?

"Her own country". What the flip does that mean? I'm sorry she had a horrible experience but explain yourself a bit more...

pabloh999

Cavehill Red wrote: »

How's your Norwegian?
Here's
To summarise: in 2007 there were more rapes in Oslo by the c. 20,000 African men living there than there were by the 600,000 Norwegian men living there.
similar patterns in Stockholm, Copenhagen and especially Malmo.

Any explanation for this? Anyone?
Or is pointing this out deemed racist?
Is this not a problem?

I think this could be called a "con"

Legs.Eleven

How's your Norwegian?

I don't speak it so I can't understand this document.

That's just Oslo. They keep very good statistics there. But it's hardly an isolated case. There are plenty of mainstream media reports of very similar patterns in Stockholm, Copenhagen and especially Malmo.

Yes, that IS just Oslo but nice try. Evidence for the rest of your claims. Stats. Because until I do see those, nothing is proven.

I'm still awaiting for the stats to back up claims that most GANG rapes in EUROPE were carried out by non-white non-Europeans btw. It's taking a while...

old hippy

FTA69 wrote: »

Also while I've no time for racist claptrap there's no glossing over the fact that some cultures have antiquated views of women and think it's acceptable to behave in a certain manner toward them. Having a large group of unemployed young men hanging around the gaff that have little experience of their host culture and have grown up with the idea of women as second class citizens is a dangerous prospect. One only has to look at the horrific examples of grooming and gang rape of disadvantaged white girls by groups of much older Pakistani men in the north of England.

This is not to say that this is definitive of the Pakistani community, it isn't, but that (along with things like female genital mutilation, killing kids for witchcraft etc) are unfortunately going to feature in any massive mix of cultures like you have in the UK.

And be used by our friends here to warn us of the perils of diversity.

I've been laughed at before, for suggesting that we're only a few steps away from generating hate groups like BNP/EDL/UKIP but sometimes, esp when reading the comments on any thread like this, I despair...

Cavehill Red

Just to qualify that statistic about Africans in Oslo, the vast majority of African immigrants into Norway come from Somalia, Eritrea and Ethiopia, with the remainder largely Moroccan (who may have been classified by the police as Middle Eastern for the purposes of the rape statistics - they don't make that clear.)

Legs.Eleven

pabloh999 wrote: »

Any explanation for this? Anyone?
Or is pointing this out deemed racist?
Is this not a problem?

I think this could be called a "con"

I can't read those stats as they're in a language I can't speak. As you obviously understand them, you obviously speak Norweigan, so maybe you could translate?

How many rapes were there in Oslo last year? How many carried out by Africans?

Cavehill Red

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

I don't speak it so I can't understand this document.

Cut and paste into Bing. Or Google translator. You'll find I've not misrepresented the charts. In any case, you may find that Afrikan and Mid-Ostern are quite easy terms to translate.

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

Yes, that IS just Oslo but nice try.

And what do you have to say about Oslo? No comment? What a surprise. You've been so forthright with your opinions up to now. So tell us what you make of the demographics of Oslo rapists.

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

Evidence for the rest of your claims. Stats. Because until I do see those, nothing is proven.

Feel free to read back through the thread. I haven't made any claims. I've simply given you proof from the Oslo police that Muslim immigrants in Oslo for the past decade and a half are consistently culpable for a vastly disproportionate amount of rape. I'd like to know what you think about that.

Legs.Eleven

Cavehill Red wrote: »

Just to qualify that statistic about Africans in Oslo, the vast majority of African immigrants into Norway come from Somalia, Eritrea and Ethiopia, with the remainder largely Moroccan

(who may have been classified by the police as Middle Eastern for the purposes of the rape statistics - they don't make that clear.)

You don't know that for sure.


I'll ask you again as I can't understand the document. How many rapes were carried out in Oslo last year and how many carried out by Africans? Obviously a huge amount considering there's 20,000 sex crazed black people living there...

I'd like you to copy and paste or at least highlight the bit that shows it to if you don't mind.

pabloh999

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

I don't speak it so I can't understand this document.




Yes, that IS just Oslo but nice try. Evidence for the rest of your claims. Stats. Because until I do see those, nothing is proven.

I'm still awaiting for the stats to back up claims that most GANG rapes in EUROPE were carried out by non-white non-Europeans btw. It's taking a while...

I think in some countries, Scandanavian for instance, as has been pointed out, numerous times, certain parts of the world are massively over represented in rape crimes. How is this an arguement?
Youve been presented with a police report

Cavehill Red

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

How many rapes were there in Oslo last year? How many carried out by Africans?

c. 150, of which 132 culprits were identified in 2011. Of those, around a third were African, out of a c. 20,000 population of African men in a city of 1.6 million people, who are 3/4 Norwegian.

laoch na mona

pabloh999 wrote: »

Any explanation for this? Anyone?
Or is pointing this out deemed racist?
Is this not a problem?

I think this could be called a "con"

again causality does not imply correlation or African=/=rapist. there most be another factor at play. we can't blame it on culture either seen as acording to christian teaching marital rape does not exist.
Multiculturalism would lead to a blending of cultures where these negative aspects are cast aside as we advance. unfortunately people fear progress and want to remain in the dark ages scared of moors

Legs.Eleven

And what do you have to say about Oslo? No comment? What a surprise. You've been so forthright with your opinions up to now. So tell us what you make of the demographics of Oslo rapists.

Before we carry on, I'd like you show me the bit where it says the amount of rapes carried out by blac Africans. I can't make head nor tail of it. I think that's reasonable.

Cavehill Red

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

You don't know that for sure.


I'll ask you again as I can't understand the document. How many rapes were carried out in Oslo last year and how many carried out by Africans? Obviously a huge amount considering there's 20,000 sex crazed black people living there...

I'd like you to copy and paste or at least highlight the bit that shows it to if you don't mind.

I already told you. The pie charts on page 53. They are pie charts, so you can't go hiding behind the 'I don't understand' nonsense. In any case, all the text is easily copied and pasted into an online translator if words like 'Afrikan' confuse you.

jank

Nodin wrote: »

Well if two right wingers say so, it must be so.

Why don't you attack the argument instead of the usual ad hominem?

Legs.Eleven

pabloh999 wrote: »

I think in some countries, Scandanavian for instance, as has been pointed out, numerous times, certain parts of the world are massively over represented in rape crimes. How is this an arguement?
Youve been presented with a police report

I can't read it!! Can you??

crockholm

FTA69 wrote: »

Nobody is denying that some immigrants do the b*llocks, or that others (often of an Islamic disposition) categorically oppose their host country and attempt to harass those who don't conform to their outdated nonsense. However the difference is that the above don't represent immigrant communities.

First of all not all Muslims are strictly devout. Second of all the vast majority of devout Muslims don't expect anyone to share their beliefs, least of all the average Brit or Dane or Swede. Lastly even the ones who are devout and only associate within that community are, in the case of the vast majority, unassuming and won't be hassling anyone for not wearing a hijab or whatever. For every arsehole like Abu Hamza there are hundreds of Muslims mortified at his carry on and want nothing to do with that brand at all.

I often work in a part of East London that's overwhelmingly Bangladeshi Muslim, a place where all the women have a hijab and some even a full burkha. And guess what? Nobody has ever said boo to me or my colleagues on the street, in the halal butchers, in the cafe or anywhere because they're too busy minding their own business.

Despite the hysteria going on about the place it's just a normal gaff to be in.

I see your point,I really do,and would love to discuss these kind of things over a pint with you,because you are rational and mannered,and willing to hear other points of veiw which conflict with their own.I am glad that you have had good experiences in London,there was a previous poster IW who also lived in london and had sometimes had negative comments thrown at her by Muslims who thought her attire was inappropriate in the street.These are not isolated incidents, it happens in Brussels,Stockholm and Malmö.Only yesterday,I read about the 6 extremists in Birmingham whose plans were thwarted by bad timing and bad luck,otherwise the potential for loss of life was great.I understand fully that not all Muslims are nutjobs,worked with nice men from Tunisia and a kurd(they lived in Spain), but sheeeet,everytime you open a paper,there's some attempt at mass murder or something with them. So,as sh1tty as it sounds,(and bigoted) I really don't want much to do with them,as it just seems like while your neighbour Asif is a nice man,his cousin Nasser hates everything about you and your culture,and cares not if they kill you and your family.I want to raise my family in peace,grow old and die surrounded by my grandkids,not die with them on a bus.P.S. I was in Stockholm Centrum when our native jihadi Taimur Abdulwahab,decided to self detonate in 2010. The even crazier thing was that he still got student payments after he died for a few weeks

jank

old hippy wrote: »

Yeah, cool clips bro. But I can't access them.

Say it from the heart - why equality and the moves to bring it about upset you so.

There is nothing wrong with equality in the classic liberal sense. However the modern day version of that word has no meaning to its past. We should be putting liberty and freedom before equality, first and always.

Legs.Eleven

Cavehill Red wrote: »

I already told you. The pie charts on page 53. They are pie charts, so you can't go hiding behind the 'I don't understand' nonsense. In any case, all the text is easily copied and pasted into an online translator if words like 'Afrikan' confuse you.

What do you want me to say exactly?

old hippy

crockholm wrote: »

So,as sh1tty as it sounds,(and bigoted) I really don't want much to do with them,as it just seems like while your neighbour Asif is a nice man,his cousin Nasser hates everything about you and your culture,and cares not if they kill you and your family.I want to raise my family in peace,grow old and die surrounded by my grandkids,not die with them on a bus.

Yep, it does sound like bigoted excrement. I hope you raise your family to think beyond your limitations.