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Fertilizer Plant Explodes in Texas: 'Hundreds of Casualties'.

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    #152
    Cantona's Collars
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    Pudsy33 wrote: »
    Just heard on the radio its being treated as a crime scene.

    They said they are treating it as a crime scene as a matter of procedure,they still don't know if it was an industrial accident or something more sinister so the norm is to treat it as a crime scene.


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    #153
    bhamsteve
    Closed Accounts Posts: 451 ✭✭bhamsteve


    The American authorities are obviously keeping an open mind, unlike after hours keyboard warriors who can tell what has happened from 10,000 miles away.

    Regardless of the cause, I hope the victims are treated better than the victims in Bhopal :(


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    #154
    ScumLord
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    beans wrote: »
    The real story is probably going to become how can there be a large quantity of explosive material close to appartments, nursing homes and schools.

    The ariel photos show just how close it was.
    Could be employees of the plant. Sometimes big factories aren't close to any towns and they have to build accommodation and amenities for the staff.


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    #155
    dfx-
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,663 Mod ✭✭✭✭dfx-


    IM0 wrote: »
    dya think!

    Yup, absolutely convinced of it.

    But maybe they were informed of the plot beforehand and came prepared and are unscathed..


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    #156
    Jimoslimos
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    zerks wrote: »
    They said they are treating it as a crime scene as a matter of procedure,they still don't know if it was an industrial accident or something more sinister so the norm is to treat it as a crime scene.
    Well I'd imagine they'd also have to investigate potential negligence, safety breaches, etc.


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    #157
    Full.Duck
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    Ok im no expert in the matter but from tv shows, movies and books ive always assumed that fertilizer, or what helps make fertilizer, was highly explosive. I would have thought they would evacuate the surrounding area first then let the fire burn out as it would have been extremely dangerous. Then again hindsight is a great thing.


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    #158
    bhamsteve
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    What gets me is that they are allowed to produce and store ammonia in a residential area.


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    #159
    Alias G
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    Awesomeness wrote: »
    Can we please stop with the sarcastic comments at least till we find out what caused this tragedy.

    Many people including a lot of firemen and emergency responders have lost their lives and a town has been destroyed. With the recent boston bombing too lots of people will be affected by all this.

    Surely a bit of respect for those is not too much to ask

    My sarcasm was clearly directed at a previous comment and not with direct regard to the tragedy in question. Take your "holier than thou" elsewhere.


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    #160
    JupiterKid
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    bhamsteve wrote: »
    What gets me is that they are allowed to produce and store ammonia in a residential area.

    Well, that's Texas for you. A state that considers any sort of govt regulation or proper urban planning to be a form of evil communism. Sadly they're reaping what they sow.

    It is indeed a scandal at how a fertiliser plant - one of the most dangerous enterprises there is - was in the heart of a residential area.


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    #161
    bhamsteve
    Closed Accounts Posts: 451 ✭✭bhamsteve


    JupiterKid wrote: »
    Well, that's Texas for you. A state that considers any sort of govt regulation or proper urban planning to be a form of evil communism. Sadly they're reaping what they sow.

    It is indeed a scandal at how a fertiliser plant - one of the most dangerous enterprises there is - was in the heart of a residential area.

    There's not exactly a shortage of space either


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    #162
    paddy147
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    Now this is an explosion.....:eek::eek:


    PEPCOPN...........Space Shuttle rocket fuel factory explosion

    3.5 magnitude registered at over 600 miles away from explosion site.




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    #163
    paddy147
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    JupiterKid wrote: »
    Well, that's Texas for you. A state that considers any sort of govt regulation or proper urban planning to be a form of evil communism. Sadly they're reaping what they sow.

    It is indeed a scandal at how a fertiliser plant - one of the most dangerous enterprises there is - was in the heart of a residential area.


    What about a fireworks factory then???



    This was in Denmark.:eek:









    And in Holland....watch what happens at 2 minutes 30 seconds.:eek::eek:




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    #164
    Gbear
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    Another angle:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTVUA-jJ11I


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    #165
    donkey balls
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    JupiterKid wrote: »
    Well, that's Texas for you. A state that considers any sort of govt regulation or proper urban planning to be a form of evil communism. Sadly they're reaping what they sow.

    It is indeed a scandal at how a fertiliser plant - one of the most dangerous enterprises there is - was in the heart of a residential area.

    The plant has been there since the 60s so maybe houses/schools etc were built around the plant as has happened both here in Ireland and the UK with manufacturing plants,According to my Dangerous goods training
    anhydrous ammonia is a TOXIC Corrosive substance.


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    #166
    NuckingFacker
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    donkey balls wrote: »
    The plant has been there since the 60s so maybe houses/schools etc were built around the plant as has happened both here in Ireland and the UK with manufacturing plants,According to my Dangerous goods training
    anhydrous ammonia is a TOXIC Corrosive substance.
    And Ammonium Nitrate is the basis of all industrial explosives, i.e C.A.N fertiliser.. above 30% and you need a Garda escort to move it in bulk.


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    #167
    shedweller
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    Closer look at the apartments near the end of this video. It's not on youtube yet so i can't embed. I'm sure it will be on youtube so hopefully somebody can embed it when it does.
    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bcb_1366319087
    Those apartments got destroyed. Man that must be hard on the soul to witness something like that.

    Edit, here it is:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_axCC6oWIXo


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    #168
    Killer Wench
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    JupiterKid wrote: »
    Well, that's Texas for you. A state that considers any sort of govt regulation or proper urban planning to be a form of evil communism. Sadly they're reaping what they sow.

    It is indeed a scandal at how a fertiliser plant - one of the most dangerous enterprises there is - was in the heart of a residential area.
    It is a rural community that services farmers. The factory would be in the heart of the community as it served as the heart of the economy. As for ammonia, it is great for growth.


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    #169
    .jacksparrow.
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    I woke up to go to the toilet at 5 the other morning and sky news were reporting this saying there is 60 or 70 people dead, now I'm reading 14.

    Why are they constantly exaggerating casualties lately, between this and Boston.


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    #170
    bhamsteve
    Closed Accounts Posts: 451 ✭✭bhamsteve


    I'm sorry but anybody who cannot see a problem with manufacturing and storing ammonia 100 meters away from a school and a nursing home is a fool, and any government official who allows it should, at the least, be fired.

    Ammonium nitrate disasters


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    #171
    demakinz
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    .jacksparrow. wrote: »
    I woke up to go to the toilet at 5 the other morning and sky news were reporting this saying there is 60 or 70 people dead, now I'm reading 14.

    Why are they constantly exaggerating casualties lately, between this and Boston.

    I seen today 14 or 15 dead and 60 still unaccounted for. This would be the top story on the news today only for Boston. This is a truly tragic story also.


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    #172
    Amirani
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    .jacksparrow. wrote: »
    Why are they constantly exaggerating casualties lately, between this and Boston.

    So people continue to watch?


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    #173
    Zio
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    FouxDaFaFa wrote: »
    It was a siege that took place in Waco at a property belonging to a cult, the Branch Davidians. It lasted well over a month and ended in a huge fire which killed most of the cult members. Who exactly started the fire has remained a huge issue for years, with some saying that the American government overreacted and pretty much caused the deaths of all those people.

    I believe it was one of the main gripes of the Unabomber.

    It's kind of a symbol of the worst side of the american government to those who would identify as anti-government.

    Pretty sure that was Timothy McVeigh who was upset about Waco, then he planted the Oklahoma City bomb at the FBI Building. Most of the Unabombers acts were a good few years before Waco happened, both complete nut jobs of course.


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    #174
    hatrickpatrick
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    Bit ignorant of chemistry - just how toxic is the stuff?
    And how much of it would be consumed by the fire versus how much would end up in a poisonous gas cloud emerging from the site?


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