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Croke Park deal to fail

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    #122
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    Are the revenue part of this deal?


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    #123
    handlemaster
    Registered Users Posts: 6,003 ✭✭✭handlemaster


    tayto lover wrote: »
    You will when you need a nurse, doctor, garda and have to stay at home to mind your children while the teachers are out.

    this is always the gun to the head. id like to believe that most people are decent and will realise they were over paid for a period of time you just have to look at your neighbour that is not in the public sector. the government need yo grow a set and implement the changes necessary. Typical irish there will be a few rumblings and then we all move on together. Hopefully with fewer public service workers that are leaching off the state.


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    #124
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,652 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    mikom wrote: »
    Are the revenue part of this deal?

    yes. So hold onto your Property Tax money as they might not be collecting it now :D:D


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    #125
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    tayto lover wrote: »
    yes. So hold onto your Property Tax money as they might not be collecting it now :D:D

    A property tax go slow............ me likey.

    Still haven't got my bully letter yet, by the way.


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    #126
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,652 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    handlemaster wrote: »
    this is always the gun to the head. id like to believe that most people are decent and will realise they were over paid for a period of time you just have to look at your neighbour that is not in the public sector. the government need yo grow a set and implement the changes necessary. Typical irish there will be a few rumblings and then we all move on together. Hopefully with fewer public service workers that are leaching off the state.

    Your bias shines through like a beacon.
    I'd say you'd hardly share the footpath with them while "moving on together".


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    #127
    1hottmofo
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    tayto lover wrote: »
    I don't know what they are on as i'm not a PS employee but from reading posts here they are not on great wages at all.
    What I do know is that they were being shafted and needed to stand up and fight.
    I want my nurse and doctor to have pride in their work and feel useful. not treated like a second class citizen and not have pride in their job.

    So would you take an extra 2% tax cut to prevent the PS from pay cuts?


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    #128
    Always number 1
    Registered Users Posts: 1,139 ✭✭✭Always number 1


    Stinicker wrote: »
    There should be no cuts in my opinion what should be is around 100,000 forced redundancies and cut the fat from the system and get rid of the failed sons and daughters of fianna fail cronies who got jobs in the Public service under the Previous Government because most of them were unemployable anywhere else.

    Oh yes, lets put another 100,000 out of work and into the dole queue :rolleyes:
    Not everyone got into the Public Service via cronyism, all jobs (except technical ones such as engineers, architects etc where you need the relevant qualifications) were advertised in an open competition but too many people were enjoying the big bucks that accompanied the Celtic Tiger and turned their noses up at the paltry pay that the public service was offered at the time.


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    #129
    not yet
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    mikom wrote: »
    Are the revenue part of this deal?

    Yup


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    #130
    SB2013
    Closed Accounts Posts: 805 ✭✭✭SB2013


    NinjaTruncs wrote: »
    Were these changes in the CP2 going to mean the difference between people being able to put food on the table or not? serious question, I understood CP2 outlined extra hours for most/all workers and reduce pay for people over a certain pay level, was there something else that hasn't been widely announced in CP2?

    Shift allowance for nights, weekends and bank holidays were given massive cuts.
    handlemaster wrote: »
    this is always the gun to the head. id like to believe that most people are decent and will realise they were over paid for a period of time you just have to look at your neighbour that is not in the public sector. the government need yo grow a set and implement the changes necessary. Typical irish there will be a few rumblings and then we all move on together. Hopefully with fewer public service workers that are leaching off the state.

    My neighbour is unemployed. His wife works part time in M&S. They have four kids and two cars. Their home would have been bought for more than 350k and they have just come back from a 3 week holiday. They seem to be doing pretty good. Did you have a point with that suggestion?


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    #131
    kippy
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    Sergeant wrote: »
    I'd rather have a long winter of discontent and a FG/FF coalition than have my kids and grandkids paying increased taxes for the next 40 years, as we didn't have the balls to deal with the massive overweight elephant in the room - public sector pay and pensions.
    I dont disagree with your comments in general but what about the elephants in the room that had a major part in getting us into this mess? What about the crap that these guys pensions are untouchable? Yet revenue can take monies from your pension for the household charge? Or the fact that any of those currently being investigated will be long dead before trial? Or the mortgage crisis around the corner or indeed the even bigger elephant in the room, the social welfare bill........


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    #132
    Pappa Charlie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 853 ✭✭✭Pappa Charlie


    I reckon this is the start of the finish for this government, labour will get cold feet, if they legislate they are finished completely! A little less arrogance from the likes of shatter and Rabbitte and they might have got it through! Bunch of muppets!


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    #133
    tayto lover
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    1hottmofo wrote: »
    So would you take an extra 2% tax cut to prevent the PS from pay cuts?

    That would work out at just over 1% after tax etc.
    I'm paying that for Quinn Insurance and have done for PMPA before.
    Yes I would, would you?
    I like my nurses and doctors to be happy and to have pride in their job. Cuts do the opposite.


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    #134
    schnitzelEater
    Registered Users Posts: 269 ✭✭schnitzelEater


    The sense of entitlement from the PS and their refusal to take some of the pain disappoints me.

    Hopefully we can reduce unnecessary public spending to cut out the unsustainable deficit we continue to have despite so called austerity.

    I think PS workers and ther unions have forgotten the proper relationship between employer and employee. The tail has been leading the dog for too long now.


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    #135
    SB2013
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    schnitzelEater wrote: »
    The sense of entitlement from the PS and their refusal to take some of the pain disappoints me.

    Hopefully we can reduce unnecessary public spending to cut out the unsustainable deficit we continue to have despite so called austerity.

    I think PS workers and ther unions have forgotten the proper relationship between employer and employee. The tail has been leading the dog for too long now.

    Some of the pain? I think you've missed the massive cuts the PS has already taken before this.


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    #136
    schnitzelEater
    Registered Users Posts: 269 ✭✭schnitzelEater


    tayto lover wrote: »
    That would work out at just over 1% after tax etc.
    I'm paying that for Quinn Insurance and have done for PMPA before.
    Yes I would, would you?
    I like my nurses and doctors to be happy and to have pride in their job. Cuts do the opposite.

    Pass.

    No reason why the private sector should pay more tax to protect the public sector.


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    #137
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,652 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    schnitzelEater wrote: »
    The sense of entitlement from the PS and their refusal to take some of the pain disappoints me.

    Hopefully we can reduce unnecessary public spending to cut out the unsustainable deficit we continue to have despite so called austerity.

    I think PS workers and ther unions have forgotten the proper relationship between employer and employee. The tail has been leading the dog for too long now.

    "wagging" and you're wrong on the other stuff too.


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    #138
    HondaSami
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    schnitzelEater wrote: »
    The sense of entitlement from the PS and their refusal to take some of the pain disappoints me

    The PS have taken some of the pain all ready or did you miss that ?

    How many pay cuts do you think the PS should take before it's enough for you?


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    #139
    1hottmofo
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    tayto lover wrote: »
    That would work out at just over 1% after tax etc.
    I'm paying that for Quinn Insurance and have done for PMPA before.
    Yes I would, would you?
    I like my nurses and doctors to be happy and to have pride in their job. Cuts do the opposite.


    No thanks.I have a good wage and I can assure you that Im fully stretched.I would have no interest in paying extra tax so the PS can avoid cuts


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    #140
    tayto lover
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    schnitzelEater wrote: »
    Pass.

    No reason why the private sector should pay more tax to protect the public sector.

    That's probably what will happen i'd say.


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    #141
    KCC
    Registered Users Posts: 268 ✭✭KCC


    schnitzelEater wrote: »
    The sense of entitlement from the PS and their refusal to take some of the pain disappoints me.

    Hopefully we can reduce unnecessary public spending to cut out the unsustainable deficit we continue to have despite so called austerity.

    I think PS workers and ther unions have forgotten the proper relationship between employer and employee. The tail has been leading the dog for too long now.

    Ever heard of Croke Park 1? The pain has been taken. Our arses are red raw.


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    #142
    schnitzelEater
    Registered Users Posts: 269 ✭✭schnitzelEater


    SB2013 wrote: »
    Some of the pain? I think you've missed the massive cuts the PS has already taken before this.

    You're having a laugh, right?


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    #143
    KCC
    Registered Users Posts: 268 ✭✭KCC


    mikom wrote: »
    Are the revenue part of this deal?

    Of course the Revenue Commissioners are staffed by civil servants.


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    #144
    Fiery mutant
    Registered Users Posts: 1,553 ✭✭✭Fiery mutant


    paddy147 wrote: »
    Anyone remember the postal strike in 1979.

    Posties all went out on strike for 20 WEEKS.

    Bring those days back, the unions go all out on strike,and see how much balls FG and Labour have then.

    They will run a fcuking mile,I can tell you that.

    Thats whats needed now..stick it to FG and Labour.

    Let the posties go on strike. Their job is almost redundant now anyway, all my mail these days comes with an e before it.

    We should defend our way of life to an extent that any attempt on it is crushed, so that any adversary will never make such an attempt in the future.



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    #145
    SB2013
    Closed Accounts Posts: 805 ✭✭✭SB2013


    schnitzelEater wrote: »
    You're having a laugh, right?

    So you didn't know about CP1 then.


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    #146
    schnitzelEater
    Registered Users Posts: 269 ✭✭schnitzelEater


    KCC wrote: »
    Ever heard of Croke Park 1? The pain has been taken. Our arses are red raw.

    Croke Park kept increments and all the allowances. I fear you are exaggerating.

    Private sector has shed 200,000 jobs through mostly involuntary redundancy.

    How many involuntary PS redundancies? How many PS employees went from 50k plus to €188 a week?


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    #147
    Dyr
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    Still, great to see that little creep Howlins' attempt to sway the votes with his threats backfire on him.

    Maybe he should consider his position. Presuming that the concept is not totally unknown to an irish minister


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    #148
    schnitzelEater
    Registered Users Posts: 269 ✭✭schnitzelEater


    SB2013 wrote: »
    So you didn't know about CP1 then.

    I know it protected PS interests to the detriment of the rest of society. Is there more we need to know?


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    #149
    schnitzelEater
    Registered Users Posts: 269 ✭✭schnitzelEater


    HondaSami wrote: »
    The PS have taken some of the pain all ready or did you miss that ?

    How many pay cuts do you think the PS should take before it's enough for you?

    We need a third round of benchmarking, to bring PS in line with equivalent private sector salaries, taking full account of PS pensions and all other allowances / perks etc.


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    #150
    KCC
    Registered Users Posts: 268 ✭✭KCC


    daveyeh wrote: »
    What will Labour do now?

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0416/381586-croke-park-agreement/

    Can't wait to see. It will definitely finish them if they legislate for it but they will also have to follow through on their threats. I also can't wait to see how the Union leaders will react.


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    #151
    handlemaster
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    tayto lover wrote: »
    Your bias shines through like a beacon.
    I'd say you'd hardly share the footpath with them while "moving on together".

    reality has been protected from the public service for to long. Thats my opinion. Theres over 400k unemployed on our tiny island need i say any more.


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