Makes you proud. Good aul honest Irish Politics.

Fratton Fred

Mr Benevolent wrote: »

Fianna Fail and Fianna Gael both had links to terrorist/freedom fighter organisations too.

It's more than links though isn't it. SF have actually presented terrorists at conferences and lauded them as heroes.

fishy fishy

Zaph wrote: »

As long as they stay true to their roots they'll never be in government. As I said before, Irish people have very long memories when it comes to politics.

funniest post of the thread. Irish people have NO memory. why are FF the most popular party again???:rolleyes:

Czarcasm

fishy fishy wrote: »

funniest post of the thread. Irish people have NO memory. why are FF the most popular party again???:rolleyes:

Because it's their turn is coming up on the roundabout, and they'll blame the outgoing government for the mess they left behind, and nobody will actually take responsibility for the multitude of problems this country faces.

Such is the joy of the bureaucratic system.

golfball37

Fratton Fred wrote: »

It's more than links though isn't it. SF have actually presented terrorists at conferences and lauded them as heroes.

Was there any bigger "terrorist" than former tanaiste Frank Aiken? He got plenty of standing ovations at FF conferences.

Slaughtered Protestant women and children at Altnaveigh, something the provos didn't even do in their heyday.

I've no problem slating SF for their past but the other 2 main parties in this Vichy republic are no cleaner.

Fratton Fred

golfball37 wrote: »

Was there any bigger "terrorist" than former tanaiste Frank Aiken? He got plenty of standing ovations at FF conferences.

Slaughtered Protestant women and children at Altnaveigh, something the provos didn't even do in their heyday.

I've no problem slating SF for their past but the other 2 main parties in this Vichy republic are no cleaner.

When the murderers that are associated with SF are dead, or no longer directly involved in SF, then maybe they will start to earn respectability as well.

Kevin Bacon

golfball37 wrote: »

Was there any bigger "terrorist" than former tanaiste Frank Aiken? He got plenty of standing ovations at FF conferences.

Slaughtered Protestant women and children at Altnaveigh, something the provos didn't even do in their heyday.

I've no problem slating SF for their past but the other 2 main parties in this Vichy republic are no cleaner.

I think the crucial difference is Sinn Fein still have people within their party that were members of the IRA. FF/FG don't.

the_syco

fishy fishy wrote: »

funniest post of the thread. Irish people have NO memory. why are FF the most popular party again???:rolleyes:

Two of the main parties are in government. Of the remaining parties, it seems people will pick FF over SF.

And it speaks volumes that they prefer a party that f**ked them over, as opposed to SF.

Duggys Housemate

golfball37 wrote: »

Was there any bigger "terrorist" than former tanaiste Frank Aiken? He got plenty of standing ovations at FF conferences.

Slaughtered Protestant women and children at Altnaveigh, something the provos didn't even do in their heyday.

I've no problem slating SF for their past but the other 2 main parties in this Vichy republic are no cleaner.

The other side - the State forces - were killing civilians indiscriminately. In a war where 80% of the population wanted out of Empire. In one incident the tanks rolled into a game and bombed the civilians watching the game, an incidence which is remarkably not so well known to the supporters of said Empire. In another case the third largest city in Ireland ( Cork) was reduced to rubble. Catholics were killed and raped by the specials.

Its standard, for imperialists, when an empire falls to remember the atrocities of the "terrorists" or independence fighters, and ignore the much larger atrocities of the Empire.

Fratton Fred

Duggys Housemate wrote: »

The other side - the State forces - were killing civilians indiscriminately. In a war where 80% of the population wanted out of Empire. In one incident the tanks rolled into a game and bombed the civilians watching the game, an incidence which is remarkably not so well known to the supporters of said Empire. In another case the third largest city in Ireland ( Cork) was reduced to rubble. Catholics were killed and raped by the specials.

Its standard, for imperialists, when an empire falls to remember the atrocities of the "terrorists" or independence fighters, and ignore the much larger atrocities of the Empire.

Feel better now?

Nodin

Czarcasm wrote: »

Because it's their turn is coming up on the roundabout, and they'll blame the outgoing government for the mess they left behind, and nobody will actually take responsibility for the multitude of problems this country faces.

Such is the joy of the bureaucratic system.

There ye are...I'd appreciate it if you could clarify the whole issue mentioned in the link below.....

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=84146537&postcount=73

Czarcasm

Nodin wrote: »

There ye are...I'd appreciate it if you could clarify the whole issue mentioned in the link below.....

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=84146537&postcount=73

Oh I'm sorry Noddy, I imagined you'd take the hint after the first three times I ignored you-

I have no wish to engage you in any way, shape nor form whatsoever, just to be absolutely and perfectly clear about it.

My name is URL

Czarcasm wrote: »

Oh I'm sorry Noddy, I imagined you'd take the hint after the first three times I ignored you-

I have no wish to engage you in any way, shape nor form whatsoever, just to be absolutely and perfectly clear about it.

Does that mean you cannot back up the claim you made previously?

fishy fishy

Czarcasm wrote: »

Oh I'm sorry Noddy, I imagined you'd take the hint after the first three times I ignored you-

I have no wish to engage you in any way, shape nor form whatsoever, just to be absolutely and perfectly clear about it.

:D:D

fishy fishy

mary lou is great tho. I bet the fianna failure and the fianna gale wind and the labour?? parties wish they had her on side.

She's well able for the lot of them. And as cool as a cucumber as well when she makes idiots of them.

Fratton Fred

fishy fishy wrote: »

mary lou is great tho. I bet the fianna failure and the fianna gale wind and the labour?? parties wish they had her on side.

She's well able for the lot of them. And as cool as a cucumber as well when she makes idiots of them.

Any politician is great if they say what you want to hear.

Nodin

Czarcasm wrote: »

Oh I'm sorry Noddy, I imagined you'd take the hint after the first three times I ignored you-

I have no wish to engage you in any way, shape nor form whatsoever, just to be absolutely and perfectly clear about it.

So thats your license for making strange claims and not backing them up?

I don't want to engage you - I want you to explain what you're on about. Seeing as this is a discussion board and you made a remark, thats a fairly basic request, otherwise we might as well all be on our own little blogs ranting into the ether.

fishy fishy

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Any politician is great if they say what you want to hear.

not really - some people might think gilmore or kenny are great because they agree with them. They are not - they couldn't defend themselves out of a paper bag - whether you like Mary Lou or not, she is great at what she does. Im sure even the naysayers would have to give her that. She's well able to cut through the bull.

Also no matter how much you might like any politician the reality its that sometimes they say things that you don't want to hear or don't like. To blindly love everything out of your favorite politicians mouth would be supremely naive .

Spook_ie

Mr Benevolent wrote: »

Errr... no. They're being taken more and more seriously as an alternative to the others. Let's face it, they'll be in power in a couple of elections time.

The signs weren't being sold by SF.

Would seem they were...

15 April 2013

IRA merchandise was for sale in the Sinn Fein shop at the ard fheis, writes Michael Brennan.


There were 'Sniper at Work' badges, plaques with the 'Tiocfaidh Ar La' IRA slogan and glass mementos of the eight IRA members shot dead by the SAS in the Loughgall Ambush in Tyrone in 1987.

And a new addition was green-coloured Margaret Thatcher T-shirts saying 'as Gaeilge', "I still hate Margaret Thatcher".

There is no doubt that feelings against Mrs Thatcher run deep. There were displays at the Ard Fheis featuring each of the 10 IRA members who died during the hunger strikes while she was in charge.

So Sinn Fein is playing to its base – but is damaging its chances of attracting new voters who are turned off by 'Brits out'-style rhetoric.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/sniper-badges-and-thatcher-tshirts-on-sale-29195865.html

Nodin

That t-shirt has been out a good while.

foggy_lad

Saab Ed wrote: »

You gotta ask yourself should anybody, who partakes in this carry on, ever be allowed outside again. The embarrassment of these tramps. These are supporters of a mainstream Irish political party

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/old-style-paraphernalia-for-sale-at-sinn-f%C3%A9in-ard-fheis-1.1359926?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Could we ever expect more from a gang of murderers extortionists criminals and general thugs? Sinn fein is supported mostly by those who want benefits for free and who feel entitled to all the state can offer without ever giving back anything except for unloading their bastard offspring on the state to wreak havoc on society.

Sergeant

We all apply our own moral judgements to these things.

Nodin

foggy_lad wrote: »

Could we ever expect more from a gang of murderers extortionists criminals and general thugs? Sinn fein is supported mostly by those who want benefits for free and who feel entitled to all the state can offer without ever giving back anything except for unloading their bastard offspring on the state to wreak havoc on society.

Quick - squeeze one more generalisation in and ye get onto the bonus round!!!!!1

schnitzelEater

Nodin wrote: »

Yet you're here chastising them. Amazing stuff.

You missed the point (again). I'm chastising them because they don't have policies. Amazing that something so simple is beyond you.

bohsman

Fratton Fred wrote: »

It's more than links though isn't it. SF have actually presented terrorists at conferences and lauded them as heroes.

While Fine Gael went off and fought on Francos side in Spain.

Nodin

schnitzelEater wrote: »

You missed the point (again). I'm chastising them because they don't have policies. Amazing that something so simple is beyond you.

They do have policies. You refuse to acknowledge them as such.

HoggyRS

Czarcasm wrote: »

Oh I'm sorry Noddy, I imagined you'd take the hint after the first three times I ignored you-

I have no wish to engage you in any way, shape nor form whatsoever, just to be absolutely and perfectly clear about it.

So basically you admit your claim was 100% bull****?

Great, glad we're clear now.

TINA1984

foggy_lad wrote: »

Could we ever expect more from a gang of murderers extortionists criminals and general thugs? Sinn fein is supported mostly by those who want benefits for free and who feel entitled to all the state can offer without ever giving back anything except for unloading their bastard offspring on the state to wreak havoc on society.

This is a bit rich coming from someone who uses and abuses the DSP free travel pass for their own ends :rolleyes:

Sergeant

bohsman wrote: »

While Fine Gael went off and fought on Francos side in Spain.

Historical inaccuracy and whataboutery rolled into one post.

Congrats dude.

Iwasfrozen

Nodin wrote: »

They do have policies. You refuse to acknowledge them as such.

Criticising the other side is not a policy.

TINA1984

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Nope I wouldn't do that. The inefficiencies of socialism are plain to see for everyone. Now you still didn't tell me what your masters is in?

What's your masters? Clearly it isn't in political science or anything related, because, if it was, you might have a reasonable knowledge on the growth of PSF as a political entity and their divergence away from doctrinaire marxism since they split with OSF.

Sheet you don't even need a masters to look at where PSF are in power - Northern Ireland - to see that it isn't a workers republic in the stylings of North Korea or the like, which was another bunkum claim you made.

When someone has resorted to Reds under the beds scare mongering - as witnessed most recently on here with the scare mongering about the Labour Party prior to the 2011 election - you know they've ran out of steam and can only use cliche's in place of logic & reason.