Makes you proud. Good aul honest Irish Politics.

joe swanson · 14-04-2013 10:39pm

nua domhan wrote: »

Masters degree, worked as a professional for over 10 years, never been in a fight in my life. I vote Sinn Fein.

You should probably know better then. If your ok with supporting the murder of innocent people then thats your perogative. Me, my conscience is my guide.

darkhorse · 14-04-2013 10:46pm

cgarrad wrote: »

You know your life has not turned out very well if you vote Sinn Féin.

Why?

Mr Benevolent · 14-04-2013 10:49pm

Fianna Fail and Fianna Gael both had links to terrorist/freedom fighter organisations too.

darkhorse · 14-04-2013 10:57pm

Zaph wrote: »

As long as they stay true to their roots they'll never be in government. As I said before, Irish people have very long memories when it comes to politics.

They don't really.

The latest poll, the Sunday Independent-Millward Brown poll (14th April 2013) puts national support levels for the main political parties/groupings as follows: Fine Gael 24% (down 1%), Labour 12% (up 3%), Fianna Fail 27% (down 2%), Sinn Fein 16% (down 1%), Independents and Others 18% (up 1%), Green Party 2% (up 1%). My constituency-level analysis of these poll figures estimates that party seat levels, should such national support trends be replicated in an actual general election, would be as follows: Fianna Fail 55, Fine Gael 43, Independents and Others 23, Sinn Fein 22, Labour 15,

Pawwed Rig · 14-04-2013 11:10pm

On those figures it wouldn't seem possible to make a govt without SF other than a FF/FG coalition

nua domhan · 14-04-2013 11:10pm

joe swanson wrote: »

You should probably know better then. If your ok with supporting the murder of innocent people then thats your perogative. Me, my conscience is my guide.

In the past Joe. There was a lot of wrong on all sides and most people have moved on, Unionists, Nationalists, Republicans, Loyalists, even victims and relatives.

I'm sure in time you'll be able to move on from all the bad things that happened you during the troubles too Joe and then you'll find some other cause to be contemptuous about.

In fact there's another political party that's trying to move on from the past that needs people like you to remind them where they came from and ensure that the best way to move forward is to make sure that you don't let them forget. (Even if you were never affected.)

Here's their website....http://www.anc.org.za/. Let me know how you get on.

Iwasfrozen · 14-04-2013 11:14pm

nua domhan wrote: »

In the past Joe. There was a lot of wrong on all sides and most people have moved on, Unionists, Nationalists, Republicans, Loyalists, even victims and relatives.

I'm sure in time you'll be able to move on from all the bad things that happened you during the troubles too Joe and then you'll find some other cause to be contemptuous about.

In fact there's another political party that's trying to move on from the past that needs people like you to remind them where they came from and ensure that the best way to move forward is to make sure that you don't let them forget. (Even if you were never affected.)

Here's their website....http://www.anc.org.za/. Let me know how you get on.

Moving on is one thing. Voting for them is another. What's your masters in? As an educated person you should know better then to vote for socialists.

nua domhan · 14-04-2013 11:20pm

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Moving on is one thing. Voting for them is another. What's your masters in? As an educated person you should know better then to vote for socialists.

Erm, he won't vote for them because of the past. So, not moving on then.

As an educated person I can see the deficiencies in Capitalism.

joe swanson · 14-04-2013 11:22pm

nua domhan wrote: »

In the past Joe. There was a lot of wrong on all sides and most people have moved on, Unionists, Nationalists, Republicans, Loyalists, even victims and relatives.

I'm sure in time you'll be able to move on from all the bad things that happened you during the troubles too Joe and then you'll find some other cause to be contemptuous about.

In fact there's another political party that's trying to move on from the past that needs people like you to remind them where they came from and ensure that the best way to move forward is to make sure that you don't let them forget. (Even if you were never affected.)

Here's their website....http://www.anc.org.za/. Let me know how you get on.

I agreeto a certain extent. However, not enough time has past. And there is still a nasty undercurrant in sinn fein as illustrated by the selling of these badges. The items sold in their shops also illustrate this. If the past is the psst, why are items glorifying murder still being sold. It will be a long long time before sinn fein will ever become acceptable, and if they want to be, they need to stop this behaviour.

OCorcrainn · 14-04-2013 11:29pm

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Moving on is one thing. Voting for them is another. What's your masters in? As an educated person you should know better then to vote for socialists.

Please oh wise one, enlighten us about why an "educated person" should know better then to vote for socialists, in fact it is apparent that you are inferring that people without an "education" do not know better.

What a superficial, arrogant, narrow-minded and stupid remark you have made, especially for someone that describes themselves as an "internationalist".

But to be honest a lot of your comments on boards are loaded with hypocrisy.

Iwasfrozen · 14-04-2013 11:32pm

nua domhan wrote: »

Erm, he won't vote for them because of the past. So, not moving on then.

As an educated person I can see the deficiencies in Capitalism.

You can move on without voting for them.

As an educated person I see the deficiencies in socialism. If you want to end up like these basket cases go ahead and vote SF. You didn't answer my question, what's your master's in?

Iwasfrozen · 14-04-2013 11:34pm

OCorcrainn wrote: »

Please oh wise one, enlighten us about why an "educated person" should know better then to vote for socialists, in fact it is apparent that you are inferring that people without an "education" do not know better.

What a superficial, arrogant, narrow-minded and stupid remark you have made, especially for someone that describes themselves as an "internationalist".

But to be honest a lot of your comments on boards are loaded with hypocrisy.

Now where did I say people without an education don't know any better? I didn't. I said people with an education should know better. Which is true, he should.

Yamanoto · 14-04-2013 11:43pm

TEMPLAR KNIGHT wrote: »

I am a fourth year economics and finance student who has had a job since I was 17, and I vote sinn fein.

You'd be useful to 'em.

Their economic policies have heretofore been drafted by a fella who studied Windsurfing at Portsmouth Polytechnic.

nua domhan · 14-04-2013 11:46pm

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

As an educated person I see the deficiencies in socialism

Great come back. Clever Links
there too.

I suppose you're gonna tell me your degree in economics and maths makes you better qualified and more superior. I'm not biting.

Iwasfrozen · 14-04-2013 11:51pm

nua domhan wrote: »

Great come back. Clever Links
there too.

I suppose you're gonna tell me your degree in economics and maths makes you better qualified and more superior. I'm not biting.

Nope I wouldn't do that. The inefficiencies of socialism are plain to see for everyone. Now you still didn't tell me what your masters is in?

nua domhan · 15-04-2013 12:10am

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Nope I wouldn't do that. The inefficiencies of socialism are plain to see for everyone. Now you still didn't tell me what your masters is in?

Sure you wouldn't. You just condescendingly tell people they should know better.

As for my masters, it doesn't have any bearing on the debate. The statement from your cheerleader was;

joe swanson wrote: »

In fairness, says more about the sort of people who vote for them. Scroungers, thugs and the uneducated.

He's just plain wrong. And when proved wrong the best they can come up with is "you should know better then".

Reminds me of the dripping arrogance of Bertie to be honest.

lightspeed · 15-04-2013 12:13am

schnitzelEater wrote: »

Classy and Sinn Fein in the same sentence?

Maybe they think the proceeds can plug the deficit. Wouldn't be the daftest economic policy to come from that 'political party'.

Compared to the policies of austerity by the current government which have now been discredited by the same people who put them together?

Iwasfrozen · 15-04-2013 12:14am

nua domhan wrote: »

Sure you wouldn't. You just condescendingly tell people they should know better.

You should.

nua domhan wrote: »

As for my masters, it doesn't have any bearing on the debate. The statement from your cheerleader was;

It has baring on your outlook and opinions in general. For example if your masters was in Irish or History it would help explain why you vote for SF. Because you concentrate more on cultural aspects rather then economic. And culturally SF are the strongest party in this country.

nua domhan wrote: »

He's just plain wrong. And when proved wrong the best they can come up with is "you should know better then".

Reminds me of the dripping arrogance of Bertie to be honest.

I don't agree with his statement.

nua domhan · 15-04-2013 12:23am

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

You should.

....

I don't agree with his statement.

:eek::eek::eek:

Iwasfrozen · 15-04-2013 12:33am

nua domhan wrote: »

:eek::eek::eek:

? Do you see some contradiction? If someone says only the uneducated vote for SF and someone else says I'm educated and I vote for them then the first statement is obviously wrong. That doesn't mean the educated person shouldn't know better, of course they should!

nua domhan · 15-04-2013 12:46am

joe swanson wrote: »

You should probably know better then. If your ok with supporting the murder of innocent people then thats your perogative. Me, my conscience is my guide.

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Now where did I say people without an education don't know any better? I didn't. I said people with an education should know better. Which is true, he should.

Pretty much same statement. Unless you're saying you don't agree to the one where voters of Sinn Fein are "Thugs, Scroungers and Uneducated"?

Iwasfrozen · 15-04-2013 12:52am

nua domhan wrote: »

Pretty much same statement. Unless you're saying you don't agree to the one where voters of Sinn Fein are "Thugs, Scroungers and Uneducated"?

Obviously not. If an educated person votes for them then the statement is proven void. Now can we stop talking about semantics? I still want to know what your masters was in. But for some reason you won't tell me.

token101 · 15-04-2013 3:13am

My name is URL wrote: »

Loads of shadow-boxing going on there but you never really answered my question. Why should only one side in an historical conflict be expected to open up 100% about their past involvement?

It wouldn't be of any use for a start. Would those demanding the truth accept as truth what Adams had to say? That's why a commission would need to be set up if people want the actual truth. Otherwise they're being completely facetious in saying they want to know the truth.. all they really want is one groups interpretation of the 'truth', which can then easily be torn asunder and used to perpetuate their own entrenchment.

There's no shadow boxing, I thought it was fairly clear but I'll spell it more clearly out for you: I'm interested in Gerry Adams coming clean because he, as a leader of the party, is asking people to place trust in Sinn Fein. I'm not really interested in what Michael Stone, Johnny Adare or the Shankill Butchers or for that matter the British Gov./Armed Forces have to say because they are not asking me for my vote; Sinn Fein are. How exactly is anyone supposed to trust a man that everyone but a fool knows is lying? Why would a truth commission be any more believable than him just making a general statement?

Nodin · 15-04-2013 8:24am

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Nope I wouldn't do that. The inefficiencies of socialism are plain to see for everyone. Now you still didn't tell me what your masters is in?

I see the thread has moved on from bizarre claims to sneering dismissivness and appeals to authority in my absence.

the_syco · 15-04-2013 8:31am

nua domhan wrote: »

In the past Joe. There was a lot of wrong on all sides and most people have moved on, Unionists, Nationalists, Republicans, Loyalists, even victims and relatives.

So... Fianna Fáil are awesome once more? Since we've forgotten their past? :pac:

.jacksparrow. · 15-04-2013 8:34am

the_syco wrote: »

So... Fianna Fáil are awesome once more? Since we've forgotten their past? :pac:

Judging by recent polls it would seem so yes.

schnitzelEater · 15-04-2013 8:35am

Serious question:

Why do we call them 'The Shinners' when we know they are much more likely to 'knee cap' you that 'shin' you?

Why not 'The Kneecappers'?

nua domhan · 15-04-2013 8:51am

Yamanoto wrote: »

You'd be useful to 'em.

Their economic policies have heretofore been drafted by a fella who studied Windsurfing at Portsmouth Polytechnic.

Back your statement up.

Describe here one of their policies and dissect it for all to see please.

schnitzelEater · 15-04-2013 8:54am

nua domhan wrote: »

Back your statement up.

Describe here one of their policies and dissect it for all to see please.

I wasn't even aware SF had policies. I thought that was the parties main problem. Oppose everything but offer no viable alternatives.

Are you saying that they have policies?

Nodin · 15-04-2013 9:03am

schnitzelEater wrote: »

I wasn't even aware SF had policies.

Yet you're here chastising them. Amazing stuff.

Makes you proud. Good aul honest Irish Politics.

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