No more SW communion/confirmation payments

Gatling

wolfpawnat wrote: »

Suits. They seemingly make them as expensive or more expensive than the dresses to ensure their hefty profits from what I have seen.

My sister in law is forking out 700e on a tailored suit alone for her son , just because most of his friends have got off the rail suits ,
And yet she thinks welfare should be paying part of the money,
Disgrace in my eyes

wolfpawnat

Gatling wrote: »

My sister in law is forking out 700e on a tailored suit alone for her son , just because most of his friends have got off the rail suits ,
And yet she thinks welfare should be paying part of the money,
Disgrace in my eyes

My ENTIRE wardrobe isn't worth 700e!!!!!!

My 4 year old son hasn't gone through that much clothing in 2 years and his nana is a bit of a brand buyer!!!!!

Gatling

wolfpawnat wrote: »

My ENTIRE wardrobe isn't worth 700e!!!!!!

My 4 year old son hasn't gone through that much clothing in 2 years and his nana is a bit of a brand buyer!!!!!

Same here we've two kids and we haven't spent that ,

El Inho

bleg wrote: »

Good.

seeing this post get so many likes makes me happy

MurdyWurdy

Gatling wrote: »

My sister in law is forking out 700e on a tailored suit alone for her son , just because most of his friends have got off the rail suits ,
And yet she thinks welfare should be paying part of the money,
Disgrace in my eyes

My wedding dress cost a lot less than that. That's crazy!!

mrsbyrne

Akrasia wrote: »

I went to a confirmation 2 weeks ago, my wife's niece, and they forced me to sit through a boring mass and pay the child for the priviledge of doing so.

I'm an atheist, when my first born child is 7 years old, I'm going to force all his cousins to stand in a field in the dark for 2 hours looking through a telescope and they'll have to give my kid an envelope stuffed with cash.

I hate communions and confirmations. the one two weeks ago in a small village near limerick, they booked out the local pubs. All of them for the 'children's' party. The kids were fed as much coke cake and crisps as they could fit in them, while the adults drank their weight in booze.

It was an absolute disgrace, some of the children didn't leave the pub until almost 1am. At 8 or 9pm they put on a kareoke 'for the children' and the MC, a middle aged woman croaking into the microphone, on more than a few occasions made comments to the crowd to the effect of 'Get that drink into you, the drunker you are, the better you'll sound'
This was at a party allegedly put on for primary school children.

Why did you go to something you didnt want to go to?!?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Dan_Solo wrote: »

In that case you won't mind if I class my hobbies as equally important as your religion?
(internet porn and home made weed, if you're asking.)

Up to you.

I'm not religious, by the way - I just stated that "a" religion is a bit different from a hobby in that the reasons for participating in a hobby are different to those for participating in a religion. At least to the person participating.

Bajingo

McLoughlin wrote: »

Now make it compulsory to make it in school uniforms.

So are you of the mind that education should go hand in hand with religion?

nozzferrahhtoo

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

I'm not religious, by the way - I just stated that "a" religion is a bit different from a hobby in that the reasons for participating in a hobby are different to those for participating in a religion. At least to the person participating.

That seemingly is not a useful distinction to attempt given it is also true WITHIN the "set" of hobbies you would define in such a way. In other words the reasons for participating in any one hobby likely also differ... from hobby-to-hobby.... as well as from participant-to-participant.

As such if one were to apply your distinction not only would "Religion" fail to qualify as a "hobby" but so would any other "hobby" one could name.

I fail to see much useful distinction.... most certainly not in the context of the point I was originally making when this side conversation sprouted..... between the Catholic Religion and it's churches.... and any other "club" with "clubhouses" that one might be a member of.

meoklmrk91

Gatling wrote: »

My sister in law is forking out 700e on a tailored suit alone for her son , just because most of his friends have got off the rail suits ,
And yet she thinks welfare should be paying part of the money,
Disgrace in my eyes

No offense to you or anything but your SIL is a serious ****ing idiot.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »

That seemingly is not a useful distinction to attempt given it is also true WITHIN the "set" of hobbies you would define in such a way. In other words the reasons for participating in any one hobby likely also differ... from hobby-to-hobby.... as well as from participant-to-participant.

Definte "set" of hobbies? Most peopel participate in a hobby because they find it interesting and as a form of leisure and recreation. With religion, it's more out of habit and tradition.

As such if one were to apply your distinction not only would "Religion" fail to qualify as a "hobby" but so would any other "hobby" one could name.

A hobby would fail to qualify as a hoby because of the person participating in it...??

I fail to see much useful distinction.... most certainly not in the context of the point I was originally making when this side conversation sprouted..... between the Catholic Religion and it's churches.... and any other "club" with "clubhouses" that one might be a member of.

You refered to state funding of a hobby. The state actually funds lots of hobbies. Religious people see it as more of a vocation than a hobby.

nozzferrahhtoo

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Definte "set" of hobbies?

I was talking about the set of hobbies that would be defined by YOUR criteria.

In other words if you are going to define things as being (or not being) a "hobby" solely on the basis of the fact the reasons for engaging in it differ.... then nothing would end up in your "set" because reasons differ across both each hobby... and each participant.

As such the distinction you attempt to make is useless, unless you simply cherry pick when to apply it.

starskey77

school uniform thats your answer more money for parents to lush with

swimming in a sea

Maybe been said already, But i would not agree with children having communion in school uniform, Keep religion out of schools.

paddy147

I wonder will they chop/stop the Bereavement Grant of 850 euro at the next budget??

Sure they may aswell target dead peoples families too at this stage.:pac:


http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/death_related_benefits/bereavement_grant.html

Dan_Solo

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Up to you.

I'm not religious, by the way - I just stated that "a" religion is a bit different from a hobby in that the reasons for participating in a hobby are different to those for participating in a religion. At least to the person participating.

Well I'm telling you they're not. I spend far more time on internet porn than any bible basher does praying.
That's the problem with religions. You just have to say you have one and you do. And precisely why they are no business of the state.

Dan_Solo

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Definte "set" of hobbies? Most peopel participate in a hobby because they find it interesting and as a form of leisure and recreation. With religion, it's more out of habit and tradition.

In that case I honestly think my internet porn hobby is more important than religion.

wolfpawnat

paddy147 wrote: »

I wonder will they chop/stop the Bereavement Grant of 850 euro at the next budget??

Sure they may aswell target dead peoples families too at this stage.:pac:


http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/death_related_benefits/bereavement_grant.html

I would see that as different, funerals cost a fortune even on the cheap! And we all die, that is something that we have to accept that. And we have to have something resembling a funeral. A grave can cost anything from 350-1500 pending where you live, then casket, headstone. Not sure what a cremation costs! Communions and Confirmations are elective ceremonies.

Tiddlypeeps

paddy147 wrote: »

I wonder will they chop/stop the Bereavement Grant of 850 euro at the next budget??

Sure they may aswell target dead peoples families too at this stage.:pac:


http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/death_related_benefits/bereavement_grant.html

I don't disagree with this grant existing. If someone in your family dies they need to be buried/cremated and the cost of that falls on the family. If they can't afford it then they are put in an awful situation. Doesn't matter if there are religious affiliations with the ceremony or not, it still needs to be done.

No idea if 850 is a reasonable amount tho as thankfully I've never been in a situation to know the costs involved. If that is excessive then obviously it should be cut, if not then it should probably be left alone.

A grant for a communion dress on the other hand is just stupid and I'm glad it's been abolished.

kylith

paddy147 wrote: »

I wonder will they chop/stop the Bereavement Grant of 850 euro at the next budget??

Sure they may aswell target dead peoples families too at this stage.:pac:


http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/death_related_benefits/bereavement_grant.html

I would presume not, for various reasons such as it's available to everyone, not just people of a certain religion, unlike religious sacraments disposing of corpses appropriately is essential, unlike sacraments grave plots, funeral homes, coffins, and cremations cost a lot of money.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »

I was talking about the set of hobbies that would be defined by YOUR criteria.

In other words if you are going to define things as being (or not being) a "hobby" solely on the basis of the fact the reasons for engaging in it differ.... then nothing would end up in your "set" because reasons differ across both each hobby... and each participant.

As such the distinction you attempt to make is useless, unless you simply cherry pick when to apply it.

We're not talking a definition here. I never definied anything - I merely commented on an aspect of it.

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Well I'm telling you they're not. I spend far more time on internet porn than any bible basher does praying.
That's the problem with religions. You just have to say you have one and you do. And precisely why they are no business of the state.

Em... are we arguing the same topic here? I never stated anything about a hobby beign based on upon your opinion upon the motives of the practitinoers, and I never stated anything about a hobby being defined by the amount of time you spend doing it.

Dan_Solo wrote: »

In that case I honestly think my internet porn hobby is more important than religion.

Again what you do and how you do it is up to you, but it's not relly relelvant. Is it a hobby? Yes, probably. Is it a religion? Probably not.

Dan_Solo

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Again what you do and how you do it is up to you, but it's not relly relelvant. Is it a hobby? Yes, probably. Is it a religion? Probably not.

I've decided it is.
Don't oppress me.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Dan_Solo wrote: »

I've decided it is.
Don't oppress me.

Then don;t oppress people who want to make their own decisions as to why they do thigns! :cool:

OldNotWIse

meoklmrk91 wrote: »

I the Celtic tiger years things went crazy, especially for communion days, everyone was trying to one up each other. I remember watching a show about communions when I was around the age of making my confirmation and some sick twisted person got their daughters leg waxed for her communion, the kid was crying and her mother made her lie there and have it done :mad:

It was all fake tans, the bigger the dress the better, horse drawn carriages and limos. I think it's all a bit sick to be honest, just a way for people to one up each other. I've heard of people taking 30+people out for dinner, it's just crazy! Here I don't mind anyone dressing their kid up nice and having a party for them with their friends or whatever but it was out of hand.

Also I noticed that while some people will say to you "it's the kids day" they still use it as an excuse to get plastered, but apparently it's acceptable to get **** faced while your kids are around because "their day"

I think the whole thing has become exceptionally inappropriate, when I got my communion I got to wear a pretty dress and my aunty plaited my hair so it was curly, now it's almost a given that they have to get tans, make up, nails and hair done, making them look like baby prostitutes or those pageant kids.

If people want to do this on their own dime fine, we shouldn't be paying for frivolous things with our taxes, we don't do it for kids of any other religion, and meanwhile people with disabilities were hiving services cut, our healthcare system is in tatters and countless other services were cut while this stayed in place until dec 2012.

And for those that say that this will widen the gap between the have and the have nots, in fairness people need a wake up call, they are living in dreamland and spending money that they do not have, getting in debt up to their eyeballs to keep up with the joneses.

So disturbing. When I was in primary, I was friends with a girl whose mum forced all her kids (2 girls and a boy) to eat, sleep and drink ballroom dancing. She was one of these...how would you say...tacky parents who thought more was...more? She'd eek out the money on shop brand products and cheapest of the cheap everything. Nothing wrong with that if you dont have money...but she would spend thousands on this ballroom rubbish. Specially made dresses that just made them look far too grown up. High heels, makeup like you wouldnt see in the moulin rouge and hair jewels etc. I was this scaldy kid running around in jeans going..wtf? Anyway one of my memories is of me over at her house, pleading with her to come out and play and she couldnt - she was waiting for the immac to work!! We were 11 :eek: Looking back, the whole thing was so disturbing. Kids were regularly pulled from school for competitions too

lennyloulou

my cousin 38yrs, 2 kids, the oldest is 8yr ,making Holy Communion next month, she is taking approx. 39 people for meal to local hotel @ 20e per head. Some of these are kids so perhaps she is getting a discount/half portion size meals. anyhow 1 industrial wage coming into the house from husband with infrequent part time work from her.
They are at least a year and a half paying interest only on their mortgage and struggle to often pay for oil and food. I know this because every Xmas SVP give a few hundred to her and I also give her a few quid- She is constantly non stop moaning about money and sometimes not having enough bread for lunches for school on a Sunday night.
I told her my opinion on what she planning to do - she says she feels she has to do this because her & Hubbie have been invited to so many big bash holy communions in the past- Crazy stuff!!!

Dan_Solo

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Then don;t oppress people who want to make their own decisions as to why they do thigns! :cool:

I'm not. I just don't want to pay for their dopey fantasyland Jedi skyman voodoo whatever if nobody's going to pay for mine.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Dan_Solo wrote: »

I'm not. I just don't want to pay for their dopey fantasyland Jedi skyman voodoo whatever if nobody's going to pay for mine.

Never argued to the contrary.

Gatling

meoklmrk91 wrote: »

No offense to you or anything but your SIL is a serious ****ing idiot.

I totally agree with you

the groutch

lennyloulou wrote: »

my cousin 38yrs, 2 kids, the oldest is 8yr ,making Holy Communion next month, she is taking approx. 39 people for meal to local hotel @ 20e per head. Some of these are kids so perhaps she is getting a discount/half portion size meals. anyhow 1 industrial wage coming into the house from husband with infrequent part time work from her.
They are at least a year and a half paying interest only on their mortgage and struggle to often pay for oil and food. I know this because every Xmas SVP give a few hundred to her and I also give her a few quid- She is constantly non stop moaning about money and sometimes not having enough bread for lunches for school on a Sunday night.
I told her my opinion on what she planning to do - she says she feels she has to do this because her & Hubbie have been invited to so many big bash holy communions in the past- Crazy stuff!!!

the insolvency legislation can't come quick enough for eejits like this.

Sulla Felix

lennyloulou wrote: »

my cousin 38yrs, 2 kids, the oldest is 8yr ,making Holy Communion next month, she is taking approx. 39 people for meal to local hotel @ 20e per head. Some of these are kids so perhaps she is getting a discount/half portion size meals. anyhow 1 industrial wage coming into the house from husband with infrequent part time work from her.
They are at least a year and a half paying interest only on their mortgage and struggle to often pay for oil and food. I know this because every Xmas SVP give a few hundred to her and I also give her a few quid- She is constantly non stop moaning about money and sometimes not having enough bread for lunches for school on a Sunday night.
I told her my opinion on what she planning to do - she says she feels she has to do this because her & Hubbie have been invited to so many big bash holy communions in the past- Crazy stuff!!!

Grab some screen shots of her showing off tge pics on fb.
Email to svp and bank.
Laugh maniacally.