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€116,000 Consultant positions being snubbed

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    #332
    true
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    Taco Chips wrote: »
    None of that is true.

    Yes it is. We are indeed " borrowing tens of billions a year just to keep things going as it is, and that is not sustainable". That is a well known fact.

    There was a dutch professor in the ERSI who came and worked here for a couple of years, expressed amazement at top public sector wages here, and he left about 6 months ago to go back to the continent. In the the paper some months ago it detailed the experiences of 4 differen thighly qualified professionals who came here from the continent, to work in our public secor offices and hospitals and universities, and their experiences when they admitted publicly what they thought of Irish top public sector wage levels.
    http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2012/01/02/richard-tol-leaves-the-esri/


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    #333
    opinion guy
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    Icemancometh wrote: »
    There are metrics in terms of how many procedures surgeons should do. I read the breast cancer strategy a while back, and it think it recommended that surgeons should be doing 150 breast ops per year. I imagine there's similar for other surgical fields (ie certain number of hip replacements per year for orthopaedics). This probably relates more to competency than to staffing levels for a region, but I'm sure it could be applied if needs be.

    Yes there are those kind of requirements - but those are minimal requirements to maintain skills for surgeons - the polar opposite of what I meant - which is maximum numbers to maintain safety for a population. Essentially there is no guidance that says for 1million people you should have x surgeons, y physicians, z neurosurgeons - etc etc


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    ManMade
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    Solair wrote: »
    The Germans have suggested several times that we should just hire German or other EU doctors if ours are too expensive.

    I don't know why we aren't doing that already!

    Link? Can't find it anywhere, surely would have made the news.


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    ManMade
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    true wrote: »
    Yes it is. We are indeed " borrowing tens of billions a year just to keep things going as it is, and that is not sustainable". That is a well known fact.

    There was a dutch professor in the ERSI who came and worked here for a couple of years, expressed amazement at top public sector wages here, and he left about 6 months ago to go back to the continent. In the the paper some months ago it detailed the experiences of 4 differen thighly qualified professionals who came here from the continent, to work in our public secor offices and hospitals and universities, and their experiences when they admitted publicly what they thought of Irish top public sector wage levels.
    http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2012/01/02/richard-tol-leaves-the-esri/

    We are borrowing billions because taxes weren't high enough during the boom. That money's now being used to pay for a very generous welfare system by European world standards and oversized public service with guarenteed pensions not 3000 hospitals consultants who are over worked and underfunded.

    HSE offers 240k 5 years ago now they offer 116k. Clearly there are better deals to be found when they can't fill the positions.


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    dissed doc
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    Taco Chips wrote: »
    That point has been addressed already. No one wants to work in the Irish health system. The conditions are terrible. That's why they have to resort to recruiting African and East Asian doctors with promises of amazing lifestyles and pay rates, they soon learn better upon arriving.

    Sorry it's South Asia (India, Pakistan).

    We would be very lucky to get any East Asian (Japan, Korea, China) doctors in Ireland; the have usually no interest in places like Ireland; Germany, Netherlands certainly.


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    goes to show money cannot buy everything, if they look on Irish colleagues as being disorganised, corrupt, unfriendly, inefficient, and they go to work in Germany for 100k when consultants wages here were twice that. The authorities in Daisy Hill in Newry have no problem filling their positions, even though they paid and pay considerably less than hospitals south of the border.


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    valder
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    ManMade wrote: »
    We are borrowing billions because taxes weren't high enough during the boom. That money's now being used to pay for a very generous welfare system by European world standards and oversized public service with guarenteed pensions not 3000 hospitals consultants who are over worked and underfunded.

    HSE offers 240k 5 years ago now they offer 116k. Clearly there are better deals to be found when they can't fill the positions.

    if welfare is so good thats your answer draw the dole


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