Galway Man Wounded by Israeli Soldier. (rubber bullet)

CrinkElite

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/irish-cameraman-hurt-after-being-shot-by-israeli-soldier-1.1343631

Deliberately Injured by a rubber bullet.

Irish times story in link.

Thrill

rubber-coated steel bullet which punctured his upper right arm.

He's not dead, in case anyone is mislead by the title.

minidazzler

Of course it sounds a lot more serious until you hear rubber bullet.

HondaSami

Thread title of the year.

CrinkElite

I wasn't trying to be sensationalist.

I can't change the title,

could a mod do it?

dodderangler

minidazzler wrote: »

Of course it sounds a lot more serious until you hear rubber bullet.

This serious enough for ya

The following information has been extracted from the Sutton 'Index of Deaths'. The list contains brief details of the 17 people who have been killing in Northern Ireland by members of the security forces who were using rubber or plastic bullets (also referred to as 'baton rounds'). The list is in chronological order. Eight of the 17 killed were children. All but one of those killed were Catholics.



Rowntree, Francis 22 April 1972 (11) Catholic
Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: British Army (BA)
Shot by rubber bullet, Divis Flats, Belfast.
Molloy, Tobias 16 July 1972 (18) Catholic
Status: Irish Republican Army Youth Section (IRAF), Killed by: British Army (BA)
Shot by rubber bullet during street disturbances, outside Lifford Road British Army (BA) base, Strabane, County Tyrone.
Friel, Thomas 22 May 1973 (21) Catholic
Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: British Army (BA)
Died five days after being hit by rubber bullet during street disturbances, Creggan Heights, Creggan, Derry.
Geddis, Stephen 30 August 1975 (10) Catholic
Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: British Army (BA)
Died two days after being hit by plastic bullet, Divis Flats, Belfast.
Stewart, Brian 10 October 1976 (13) Catholic
Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: British Army (BA)
Died six days after being hit by plastic bullet near his home, Norglen Road, Turf Lodge, Belfast.
Donnelly, Michael 09 August 1980 (21) Catholic
Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: British Army (BA)
Shot by plastic bullet at the junction of Leeson Street and Falls Road, Belfast.
Whitters, Paul 25 April 1981 (15) Catholic
Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC)
Died 10 days after being shot by plastic bullet, Great James Street, Derry.
Livingstone, Julie 13 May 1981 (14) Catholic
Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: British Army (BA)
Shot by plastic bullet while walking along Stewartstown Road, Suffolk, Belfast.
Duffy, Henry 22 May 1981 (45) Catholic
Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: British Army (BA)
Shot by plastic bullet while walking along street, Bogside, Derry.
Kelly, Carol Anne 22 May 1981 (12) Catholic
Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: British Army (BA)
Died three days after being shot by plastic bullet while walking along Cherry Park, Twinbrook, Belfast.
McCabe, Nora 09 July 1981 (30) Catholic
Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC)
Died one day after being shot by plastic bullet, Linden Street, Lower Falls, Belfast.
Doherty, Peter 31 July 1981 (36) Catholic
Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: British Army (BA)
Shot by plastic bullet at his home, Divis Flats, Belfast.
McGuinness, Peter 09 August 1981 (41) Catholic
Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC)
Shot by plastic bullet outside his home, Shore Road, Greencastle, Belfast.
McConomy, Stephen 19 April 1982 (11) Catholic
Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: British Army (BA)
Died three days after being shot by plastic bullet, Fahan Street, Bogside, Derry.
Downes, Sean 12 August 1984 (22) Catholic
Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC)
Shot by plastic bullet, during anti-internment march, Andersonstown Road, Belfast.
White, Keith 14 April 1986 (20) Protestant
Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC)
Died 15 days after being shot by plastic bullet, during street disturbances, Woodhouse Street, Portadown, County Armagh.
Duffy, Seamus 09 August 1989 (15) Catholic
Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC)
Shot by plastic bullet while walking along Dawson Street, New Lodge, Belfast.

Might I add rubber and plastic bullets were designed to be fire At ground to bounce off And hit the person and basically wind them or give a dead leg
Fired directly at person can result in internal bleeding , punctured lung brain damage if hit in head and cardiac arrest

Duggy747

Not the first time he's been in trouble with Israeli soldiers, either.

From 0:55 onwards:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeIAu-bnQ0Y

The_B_Man

minidazzler wrote: »

Of course it sounds a lot more serious until you hear rubber bullet.

eh "Rubber coated steel bullet"!!

B.A._Baracus

CrinkElite wrote: »

I wasn't trying to be sensationalist.

I can't change the title,

could a mod do it?

You can change a thread title i do believe just click edit post then click 'go advanced'.

Remmy

By a rubber bullet. Taking part in a palestinian protest in the west bank where they often chuck rocks and other stuff at the IDF.

Yamanoto

...and described by Indymedia as 'the indefatigable activist Tommy Donnellan of IFPAL (Irish Friends of Palestine Against Lisbon)'.

HondaSami

dodderangler wrote: »

This serious enough for ya

The following information has been extracted from the Sutton 'Index of Deaths'. The list contains brief details of the 17 people who have been killing in Northern Ireland by members of the security forces who were using rubber or plastic bullets (also referred to as 'baton rounds'). The list is in chronological order. Eight of the 17 killed were children. All but one of those killed were Catholics.



Rowntree, Francis 22 April 1972 (11) Catholic
Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: British Army (BA)
Shot by rubber bullet, Divis Flats, Belfast.
Molloy, Tobias 16 July 1972 (18) Catholic
Status: Irish Republican Army Youth Section (IRAF), Killed by: British Army (BA)
Shot by rubber bullet during street disturbances, outside Lifford Road British Army (BA) base, Strabane, County Tyrone.
Friel, Thomas 22 May 1973 (21) Catholic
Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: British Army (BA)
Died five days after being hit by rubber bullet during street disturbances, Creggan Heights, Creggan, Derry.
Geddis, Stephen 30 August 1975 (10) Catholic
Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: British Army (BA)
Died two days after being hit by plastic bullet, Divis Flats, Belfast.
Stewart, Brian 10 October 1976 (13) Catholic
Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: British Army (BA)
Died six days after being hit by plastic bullet near his home, Norglen Road, Turf Lodge, Belfast.
Donnelly, Michael 09 August 1980 (21) Catholic
Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: British Army (BA)
Shot by plastic bullet at the junction of Leeson Street and Falls Road, Belfast.
Whitters, Paul 25 April 1981 (15) Catholic
Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC)
Died 10 days after being shot by plastic bullet, Great James Street, Derry.
Livingstone, Julie 13 May 1981 (14) Catholic
Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: British Army (BA)
Shot by plastic bullet while walking along Stewartstown Road, Suffolk, Belfast.
Duffy, Henry 22 May 1981 (45) Catholic
Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: British Army (BA)
Shot by plastic bullet while walking along street, Bogside, Derry.
Kelly, Carol Anne 22 May 1981 (12) Catholic
Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: British Army (BA)
Died three days after being shot by plastic bullet while walking along Cherry Park, Twinbrook, Belfast.
McCabe, Nora 09 July 1981 (30) Catholic
Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC)
Died one day after being shot by plastic bullet, Linden Street, Lower Falls, Belfast.
Doherty, Peter 31 July 1981 (36) Catholic
Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: British Army (BA)
Shot by plastic bullet at his home, Divis Flats, Belfast.
McGuinness, Peter 09 August 1981 (41) Catholic
Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC)
Shot by plastic bullet outside his home, Shore Road, Greencastle, Belfast.
McConomy, Stephen 19 April 1982 (11) Catholic
Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: British Army (BA)
Died three days after being shot by plastic bullet, Fahan Street, Bogside, Derry.
Downes, Sean 12 August 1984 (22) Catholic
Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC)
Shot by plastic bullet, during anti-internment march, Andersonstown Road, Belfast.
White, Keith 14 April 1986 (20) Protestant
Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC)
Died 15 days after being shot by plastic bullet, during street disturbances, Woodhouse Street, Portadown, County Armagh.
Duffy, Seamus 09 August 1989 (15) Catholic
Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC)
Shot by plastic bullet while walking along Dawson Street, New Lodge, Belfast.

Was that list necessary?

orestes

dodderangler wrote: »

*list of Northern Irish deaths by rubber bullet*

What on earth does that have to do with this incident? An Irish journalist is hit with a rubber bullet fired by an Israeli slodier in the West Bank, and of all the examples you could have used to illustrate the potentially lethal effects of rubber bullets, you used that? Seriously?

dodderangler

HondaSami wrote: »

Was that list necessary?

Yes it was these people were not meant to be killed but deterred from rioting
Instead some suffered long painfull deaths
Some were just kids

Thrill

CrinkElite wrote: »

I wasn't trying to be sensationalist.

I can't change the title,

could a mod do it?

Edit post and click "Go advanced". I think you can then edit the title.

ted1

Yes it shows that rubber bullets do kill people and that they have killed people in Ireland. More people have being killed by rubber bullets than sharks or jellyfish!

HondaSami

dodderangler wrote: »

Yes it was these people were not meant to be killed but deterred from rioting
Instead some suffered long painfull deaths
Some were just kids

Yes but it's not what this thread is about.

Yitzhak Rabin

You attend a palestinian protest that regularly descends into low level violence such as rock-throwing, and is usually dispersed by baton rounds and tear gas, then you'll occasionally get a dead arm and irritated eyes.

You haven't really given an opinion on it OP. Whats your take on it?

I think its a non-story.

Pappa Charlie

Is that tommy from shell to sea? Big tall fella with grey hair? Hope he's ok

Rabies

ted1 wrote: »

Yes it shows that rubber bullets do kill people and that they have killed people in Ireland. More people have being killed by rubber bullets than sharks or jellyfish!

Come get me when they shoot sharks and jellyfish at rioting or hostile crowds. I want to youtube that sh!t

Gatling

Going back to north vs South Korea thread rubber bullet shooting and not in Dublin

gurramok

HondaSami wrote: »

Was that list necessary?

Yes the poster illustrated the devastating effect of rubber bullets, especially on kids.

dodderangler

HondaSami wrote: »

Yes but it's not what this thread is about.

I agree its off topic my apologies to the op but I responded to this quote

Of course it sounds a lot more serious until you hear rubber bullet.

So I pointed out how serious they are and thought a good example is what happened up the north with all the troubles in past

dodderangler

Rabies wrote: »

Come get me when they shoot sharks and jellyfish at rioting or hostile crowds. I want to youtube that sh!t

How bout sharks shooting rubber bullets
( take that dr evil with your sharks with frickin lazer beams on their frickin heads)



My last posts were serious so had to try make a joke
How'd I do?

seven_eleven

He probably deserved it to be honest.

Rabies

Do you want them to fire fluffy pillows or cotton wool balls?

Why on earth would anyone have their kid next to them in the middle of angry crowd?

Of course rubber bullets can kill. They are supposed to hurt like a motherfvcker! It acts as a strong deterrent. Same with the use of a water canon.
Rubber bullets will not have the same accuracy as a normal bullet, death or serious injury may occur. Want to avoid it? Get away from the immediate area.

Yamanoto

ted1 wrote: »

More people have being killed by rubber bullets than sharks or jellyfish!

Firing rubber bullets at jellyfish increases the chance of ricochet by 82%

FACT.

fasttalkerchat

Thankfully he'll be okay in a few days and it wasn't lethal or a child hit.
Hopefully it wont deter others from covering what is happening in the occupied lands.

Seaneh

Rabies wrote: »

Do you want them to fire fluffy pillows or cotton wool balls?

I'd rather they ****ed off back across the boarder, stopped illegally occupying another country, ethnically cleansing the indigenous population, building illegal settlements, violating basic human rights, committing war crimes, murdering civilians, enforcing apartheid laws and generally being *****, to be perfectly ****ing honest.

666irishguy

Another Irish person who thinks we have a special bond with the Palestinians, didn't get a "oh your Irish, carry on pass" from an Israeli soldier. Non Story in my opinion. He knew what he was getting into and where he was going. Wouldn't surprise me if he went out of his way or isn't a bit happy he got hit. Good publicity.

Rabies

Seaneh wrote: »

I'd rather they ****ed off back across the boarder, stopped illegally occupying another country, ethnically cleansing the indigenous population, building illegal settlements, violating basic human rights, committing war crimes, murdering civilians, enforcing apartheid laws and generally being *****, to be perfectly ****ing honest.

We're on about the use of use of non-lethal projectiles of the rubber or animal kingdom variety, not who is occupying who.

Would you prefer to rubber up or go hard steel ?

Seaneh

Rabies wrote: »

We're on about the use of use of non-lethal projectiles of the rubber or animal kingdom variety, not who is occupying who.

Would you prefer to rubber up or go hard steel ?

It shouldn't be an issue, it shouldn't be happening at all. There is no legitimate reason for the IDF to be in the west bank. They shouldn't be using rubber or steel or ****ing marshmallows, they should be in their own country minding their own business, not terrorising Palestinians and shooting at protesters.

Duckworth_Luas

Galway and Israel, always at it, will they ever learn?

dodderangler

Duckworth_Luas wrote: »

Galway and Israel, always at it, will they ever learn?

Gasrael or israway

Grayson

Remmy wrote: »

By a rubber bullet. Taking part in a palestinian protest in the west bank where they often chuck rocks and other stuff at the IDF.

To be fair,

1) they're chucking rocks at tanks n stuff.

2) In that video (linked on the first page) you can see an israeli soldier chucking one back. (Not having a go at the soldier. He's carrying a big gun and he fecked a rock back. Not unrestrained, but still, not too unrestrained)

minidazzler

Grayson wrote: »

To be fair,

1) they're chucking rocks at tanks n stuff.

2) In that video (linked on the first page) you can see an israeli soldier chucking one back. (Not having a go at the soldier. He's carrying a big gun and he fecked a rock back. Not unrestrained, but still, not too unrestrained)

Actually no, he threw a CS gas grenade at them. Which is tear gas.

Israel a country of 8 million surrounded by 200,000,000 who would like to see them dead.... yeah, I'm sure if they just went home they'd be left alone to their own devices as the only Jews in a region of Muslims.

WayneMolloy

Gonna have a cool scar. He will be a hero to all the hippies in that commune (Galway) when he gets back.

Fr_Dougal

Shocking story.

We should really stop these Israeli soldiers from coming to Ireland to shoot people, how would they like it if we went to Israel causing trouble.

Grayson

minidazzler wrote: »

Actually no, he threw a CS gas grenade at them. Which is tear gas.

Israel a country of 8 million surrounded by 200,000,000 who would like to see them dead.... yeah, I'm sure if they just went home they'd be left alone to their own devices as the only Jews in a region of Muslims.

200,000,000..... All want to see israelis dead?

easy to see which extreme of the fence you're sitting on.

Logical_Bear

HondaSami wrote: »

Was that list necessary?

did you need to quote it again?:pac:

minidazzler

Grayson wrote: »

200,000,000..... All want to see isaelis dead?

easy to see which extreme of the fence you're sitting on.

I'm to no extremes, but I'm moderately in favour of Israel. While I may not agree with their tactics, they can't just sit back and wait to die.

And given Israel are close by to Egypt, Syria, Iran and Saudi Arabia, all of whom have indicated a displeasure with Israel, they would be offensively defensive.

I'm happier they have nuclear weapons than any of the listed countries.

Miri5

minidazzler wrote: »

I'm to no extremes, but I'm moderately in favour of Israel. While I may not agree with their tactics, they can't just sit back and wait to die.

And given Israel are close by to Egypt, Syria, Iran and Saudi Arabia, all of whom have indicated a displeasure with Israel, they would be offensively defensive.

I'm happier they have nuclear weapons than any of the listed countries.

+1

Mint Sauce

dodderangler wrote: »

Yes it was these people were not meant to be killed but deterred from rioting
Instead some suffered long painfull deaths
Some were just kids

So then why did you list their religion or even make a comment about their religion, or even comment if it was the police or army who fired.

This thread is about a man shot in the west bank, who just happened to be Irish. Its not about the political/religious/sectarianism sitiuation in NI.

It seems you are focusing more on the situation in NI rather than highlighting the use of rubber bullets and their effects.

anncoates

Can you imagine the mileage he'll get out of this is crusty bars in Galway for the next 20 years?

He'll need a cattle prod to hold them off.

Balmed Out

I hope our foreign serivces arent having to spend money helping this idiot out.

Anyone

Why are Israeli Soldiers in Galway?

snubbleste

Maybe he is Israeli but happens to have acquired a Galway passport :cool:

mattjack

Anyone wrote: »

Why are Israeli Soldiers in Galway?

There not , yer man the sniper was a good shot , he hit him from Israel as the journo walked out by Spiddal .

c_man

Anyone wrote: »

Why are Israeli Soldiers in Galway?

The Gathering gone nuts

BlackEdelweiss

I know people who have kept the rubber bullets they have been shot with, sat with them on the table in the pub. It takes a very unlucky shot to get killed with a rubber bullet. Why is this guy from Galway not up in Belfast or Derry protesting. Looking for sympathy out in Palestine.

Seaneh

minidazzler wrote: »

Israel a country of 8 million surrounded by 200,000,000 who would like to see them dead....

Hyperbolic ****ing nonsense.
Do you have any proof of that besides a war which was almost 50 years ago, which Israel instigated?

Are you going to purposely misquote Mahmoud Ahmadinejad next and claim he said Iran wanted to "wipe Israel off the map"?. Because you probably already know he never said any such thing.

minidazzler wrote: »

if they just went home they'd be left alone to their own devices as the only Jews in a region of Muslims.

They aren't the only Jewish people in the region. That's nonsense. There is a sizeable Jewish population in a lot of Muslim countries, Iran for example has a large Jewish population in Tehran.

But beyond that, yeah, if they ****ed off and withdrew from Palestinian land, stopped occupying Syrian land in the Golan and gave up their habit of invading southern Lebanon every few years, yeah most of the countries in the region would officially recognise Israel, as leaders of those nations have said several times. King Abdullah of Jordan, a nation with normalised relations with Israel, being one of the most outspoken proponents of this plan.