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DCM 2013: Mentored Novices Thread......Take 2
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Pride comes before a fall...
Haha, I'm always building myself up for a fall..... BUT......
"Believe it can be done. When you believe something can be done, really believe, your mind will find ways to do it. Believing paves the way to solution"
David F. Shwartz: Magic of thinking big0 -
Haha, I'm always building myself up for a fall..... BUT......
"Believe it can be done. When you believe something can be done, really believe, your mind will find ways to do it. Believing paves the way to solution"
David F. Shwartz: Magic of thinking big
I'm setting a new World Record at this years DCM then!
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Kurt Godel wrote: »Dublin Marathon is measured by 26 mile markers, and also every 5km. Whatever unit of measurement you prefer to use in training, km or miles, is a personal preference, either will be an arbitrary measurement guide for your pace; one is no better than the other.
However, if you are running by pace, its better to run off the 5km splits in the marathon, they'll be a more useful gauge of how you are controlling your pace. Learning what your steady 5km split pace is in training, will be more useful on the day, than your mile pace. Reason for this is that the distance markers (miles or 5km) are fixed to lampposts, and so will err +/- wherever the lampposts are, and there's a greater variation in the mile markers. Therefore if you are making the choice now between miles or kms, everything else being equal, go with the more accurate km.
Jeez, you've spent too much time on the tri forum!
As Lydiard said, miles make champions! (Seriously it's a personal thing and Kurt's point is valid, unless you're too old school like me!) 0 -
Jeez, you've spent too much time on the tri forum! As Lydiard said, miles make champions! (Seriously it's a personal thing and Kurt's point is valid, unless you're too old school like me!)
Haha, I'm of a similar vintage school to yourself pconn! I've been trying to wean myself onto km's for a couple of years now. Yesterday on a run I noticed my garmin average was showing 4:15/km pace and my automatic thought was "Yes! That's 6:50/mile pace" Old habits...
It's all arbitrary if you're just running off whatever time/distance (and for the most part a race pace should be dictated by those around you that you are racing, rather than by your watch). But anyone choosing km's or miles starting off, go with km's. It'll make 10k's, 5k's, easier to pace, as well as Dublin marathon (reasons above).0 -
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career_move wrote: »Is this any good to you?
The one is was thinking of had both miles and kms pace for various distances and various times. But the one you linked will still be handy thank youNo! If you want to run in km's then do - there are a handful of fossils (like Gavlor) from last year's novices who can't accept that we went fully metric nearly 10 years ago. Km also gives you better control / quicker feedback on your pace.
Ah I see, So you're not frowned upon if mentioning your pace in kms/min:D To be honest, what I really want is a good idea of both units. I suppose just using both will give me a better idea in comparison terms.Kurt Godel wrote: »Haha, I'm of a similar vintage school to yourself pconn! I've been trying to wean myself onto km's for a couple of years now. Yesterday on a run I noticed my garmin average was showing 4:15/km pace and my automatic thought was "Yes! That's 6:50/mile pace" Old habits...
It's all arbitrary if you're just running off whatever time/distance (and for the most part a race pace should be dictated by those around you that you are racing, rather than by your watch). But anyone choosing km's or miles starting off, go with km's. It'll make 10k's, 5k's, easier to pace, as well as Dublin marathon (reasons above).
An interesting point... My thoughts would be (for a novice marathoner) to have a target time based on a recent HM, and pace yourself to this initially, then towards end of race try to reel in a few people and push on if you have anything left in you?? If I was to have a race pace based on those around me, I'm sure i'd get carried away with myself and burn out after 10km??
Oh and how you compared both kms/min and miles/min on your run as it happened is what I want. I suppose best to just learn of a few key ones it would give me a fair idea of the rest...0 -
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Hi everyone,
Rob W reporting for duty!
Having spent the last 90 mins or so reading this thread (and take 1) from start to finish I decided it was time to post. I have come across some of you guys in these forums last year while training for the Dublin Half, lurked a lot in this thread last year and always found great advice and support here. So have decided to enter the DCM 2013 this year as my first marathon and looking forward to it ans the progression of this thread already!
Started running last year and ran the Dublin Half 2012 quite comfortably and loved it, since then have tipped away over the winter not following any particular plan, but just keeping fitness up. Am quite busy with college work at the moment, but that's all done in May (thank god :rolleyes:) and ill be getting back on track fully then. Will try and get a parkrun in over the next few weeks to get a 5k race time, (but currently doing 5k in training in 25:00)
*I have taken a shine to Hal Higdons Marathon 3 Plan, slightly adjusted to suit my schedule, (see link https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/47146575/Robs%20Training%20Log.pdf) and would appreciate feedback on suitability for a first marathon!*
So now down to the nitty gritty!
Have you raced before? If so what are your PBs? (Date and distance please!)
Just the one race last year! Did it quite comfortably, for fear of going out to fast!
Dublin HM 2012 1.53
Do you still need to take walk breaks in your training?
Nope, but havent done more than 10k in the last few months, but don't generally take them anyway!
How much training do you currently do? Distances, how many days a week, cross training - whatever you think is relevant
Lately have been busy with the final year of college, so rarely spend time outside of the library
. I try to nip down to the gym during breaks and get a couple of miles in up to three times a week, about 3 - 5 miles each time. Just want to keep some sort of fitness there until I start training properly. Kind of been doing that all through the winter, but was running a bit more frequently before xmas than I am now.
I also cycle, around 100km a week, using commuting time to get a bit of a workout when I can!
What do you want to achieve? Dream finishing time and realistic finishing time?
Would be absolutely chuffed with a sub 4 marathon, but being my first I just want to get over that line in October!
How many days a week can you train?
Should be free to train up to 5 times a week, once I finish college in May will have much more free time on my hands!
I am looking for a plan that can combine running with cycling as my crosstraining, the Hal Higdon Marathon 3 looks promising, I have adjusted it around slightly to meet race dates I plan on entering, see the link to my plan at the start of this post. I would like some advice on whether you guys think this may be a suitable plan for me to follow, (Hal Higdon says it fits in between his novice and intermediate plans), I am interested in it because it allows me to get some cycling in too and I am confident I could handle it, but am open to suggestions if you guys think the running is more important.......whatever it takes to get me over the finish line
Why are you running this marathon?
Its something I have wanted to do for a long time, but other commitments last year saw me not enter the DCM after contemplating about doing it once I finished the Dublin HM. I had a strange sense of longing or something the weekend of the marathon when I knew I should have been out there doing it, so there is no stopping me this year :cool:. Also using the opportunity to raise some funds for a charity I am currently volunteering for.0 -
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Hi Rob welcome to the thread*I have taken a shine to Hal Higdons Marathon 3 Plan, slightly adjusted to suit my schedule, (see link https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/47146575/Robs%20Training%20Log.pdf) and would appreciate feedback on suitability for a first marathon!*
Your plan looks tough. Sept looks very intense with 3 x 20m and a HM. All I can say is see how its going and be careful of your pace cause I could see you easily getting injured if you go too fast with that work load. Best of luck with it 0 -
I'd be inclined to only do one club session and three easy runs and not worry about the extra mileageI'm with my local running club we train on Tuesday and Thursday looking at the novice plan 1 on these days it never goes over 5 miles. What would be the best way to incorporate the extra miles, or just have two club sessions and two easy runs? 0 -
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It's race day today, doing the Patsy Kelly 5k in Dundalk.
The goal is to run under 20 min but I'm not too sure where I'm at fitness wise so I'm thinking of starting off fast and just trying to hold on. Could be a recipe for disaster but no matter what I'll be getting a PB seeing as it's my first 5k Unless of course it goes so wrong that I don't finish it 
It's looking a bit windy out there but I got my haircut so I should be fine on the aerodynamic side of things.0 -
ahnowbrowncow wrote: »It's race day today, doing the Patsy Kelly 5k in Dundalk.
The goal is to run under 20 min but I'm not too sure where I'm at fitness wise so I'm thinking of starting off fast and just trying to hold on. Could be a recipe for disaster but no matter what I'll be getting a PB seeing as it's my first 5k Unless of course it goes so wrong that I don't finish it
It's looking a bit windy out there but I got my haircut so I should be fine on the aerodynamic side of things.
How did your race go???0 -
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