SF to refund property tax

dxhound2005

tayto lover wrote: »

A bit below your standard DX.
Are you beginning to struggle here?

What about library services and processing third level grant applications?

Banjo String

dxhound2005 wrote: »

If you examine the functions of Newry and Mourne District Council compared to Louth County Council or Strabane compared to Donegal you may find that they provide much the same services. Their funding model will be roughly similiar again now just as they were pre 1977.

They might be similar funded models, but the fact that you vehemently refuse to acknowledge is that in Derry/Newry/Strabane (an.other) county council in the north provide an array of services in return for the domestic rates being paid.

We receive none.

How can you justify that?

On a side note, would these similarly funded councils have similarly paid council managers and staff?

I also noticed you posted a link to a site thats seemingly protesting about rates in the north, so can I take it that you accept that people elsewhere in the country do not like being taxed on their homes eithet?

I think we're actually getting somewhere now lol?

Banjo String

dxhound2005 wrote: »

What about library services and processing third level grant applications?

Libraries should be next to near obsolete in this digital era, as for processing grants, we have one of the highest and heavily populated ps in Western europe.

Surely a wee grant application shouldn't cause them much hardship?

dxhound2005

SamHall wrote: »

They might be similar funded models, but the fact that you vehemently refuse to acknowledge is that in Derry/Newry/Strabane (an.other) county council in the north provide an array of services in return for the domestic rates being paid.

We receive none.

How can you justify that?

On a side note, would these similarly funded councils have similarly paid council managers and staff?

I also noticed you posted a link to a site thats seemingly protesting about rates in the north, so can I take it that you accept that people elsewhere in the country do not like being taxed on their homes eithet?

I think we're actually getting somewhere now lol?

Go to the website of any County Council and look at what services they are claiming to provide. I think you will find it is more than none.

Banjo String

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Go to the website of any County Council and look at what services they are claiming to provide. I think you will find it is more than none.

What about the county manager and council staff question?

Do you agree that rate payers in the north get reasonably good value for their money compared to someone in the south?

dxhound2005

SamHall wrote: »

What about the county manager and council staff question?

Do you agree that rate payers in the north get reasonably good value for their money compared to someone in the south?

Give me the figures.

Banjo String

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Give me the figures.

To what exactly.?

dxhound2005

SamHall wrote: »

To what exactly.?

You were asking me to answer this question.

On a side note, would these similarly funded councils have similarly paid council managers and staff?


I don't know the answer. Do you?

Banjo String

dxhound2005 wrote: »

You were asking me to answer this question.

On a side note, would these similarly funded councils have similarly paid council managers and staff?


I don't know the answer. Do you?

No, don't have the foggiest.

I'd guess though that some County managers are not on the same salaries.

Take Galway city for example, the manager of the council is on 130k there.
Belfast would have a comparable population, but very very doubtful the manager of Belfast City council gets paid that equivalent.

Maybe someone knows where to obtain that info?

squod

dxhound2005 wrote: »

You were asking me to answer this question.

On a side note, would these similarly funded councils have similarly paid council managers and staff?


I don't know the answer. Do you?

Their' salaries get published AKAIK. Don't think their pensions get published though. Must be nice for you to know they'll be well off for an awful long time while services are being cut to poor people and sick kids to keep their hefty contributions going. Lovely isn't it.


Did you get a letter from them Thanking you for paying the household charge?

Carlow
County manager (Tom Barry): €132,511
5 directors of services: €90,453 to €106,900
Vet inspector: €94,392
3 senior engineers: €73,223 to €87,117
Chief fire officer: €81,232
* What the top 10 earn: €1,103,986

Cavan
County manager (Jack Keyes): €132,511
4 directors of services: €90,453 to €106,900
5 senior engineers: €73,223 to €87,117
* What the top 10 earn: €995,696
Clare
County manager (Tom Coughlan): €142,469
Chief veterinary inspector: €93,436 to €109,927
4 directors of services: €90,453 to €106,900
2 senior engineers: €73,223 to €87,117
Chief fire officer: €73,223 to €87,117
Senior executive officer: €64,426 to €84,036
* What the top 10 earn: €1,025,383

Cork City
City manager (Tim Lucey): €153,260
Assistant city manager: €90,453 to €106,900
5 directors of services: €90,453 to €106,900
3 heads of function: €90,453 to €106,900
* What the top 10 earn: €1,115,360

Cork County
County manager (Martin Riordan): €162,062
3 divisional managers: €125,885
Chief vet officer: €93,436 to €111,177
10 directors of services: €90,453 to €106,900
1 county engineer: €81,077 to €98,379
4 vet inspectors: €60,555 to €94,392
19 senior professionals (engineer/architect/planner/solicitor/scientist): €73,223 to €87,117
* What the top 10 earn: €1,185,394

Donegal
County manager (Seamus Neely): €142,469
5 directors of services: €90,453 to €106,900
4 senior engineers: €74,223 to €87,117
* What the top 10 earn: €1,025,437

Dublin City
City manager (John Tierney): €189,301
City engineer/director of traffic: €142,469
Assistant city manager: €132,511
Head of finance: €132,511
Personnel officer: €132,511
Executive manager: €90,453 to €106,900
Dublin city librarian: €90,453 to €106,900
Financial accountant: €90,453 to €106,900
ICT manager: €90,453 to €106,900
* What the top 10 earn: €1,263,803

Dún Laoighre-Rathdown
County manager (Owen Keegan): €153,260
8 directors of services: €106,900
County law agent: €95,540
County architect: €95,540
* What the top 10 earn: €1,104,000

Fingal
County manager (David O’Connor): €162,062
6 directors of services: €106,900
County architect: €95,540
Law agent: €95,540
5 senior engineers (five of them on the top point of the scale): €73,223 to €87,117
3 senior planners: €87,117
* What the top 10 earn: €1,081,714

Galway city
City manager (Joe O’Neill, acting): €132,511
3 directors of services: €90,453 to €106,900
Head of finance and ICT: €90,453 to €106,900
3 senior engineers: €73,223 to €87,117
Senior planner: €73,223 to €87,117
2 management accountants: €64,426 to €84,036
* What the top 10 earn: €992,615

Galway county
County manager (Martina Moloney): €142,469
5 directors of service: €90,453 to €106,900
2 veterinary inspectors:€60,555 to €94,392
Chief fire officer €76,884 to €91,472
6 senior engineers: €73,223 to €87,117
* What the top 10 earn: €1,044,342

Kerry
County manager (Tom Curran): €142,469
6 directors of services: €106,900 (one not in place; seconded to Limerick Regeneration Agency)
Law agent: €95,540
Veterinary inspector: €94,392
Head of finance: €90,453
* What the top 10 earn: €1,064,254

Kildare
County manger (Michael Malone): €153,260
6 directors of service: €86,408 to €106,900
6 senior engineers: €73,223 to €87,117
* What the top 10 earn: €1,056,011

Kilkenny
County manager (Joe Crockett): €142,469
3 directors of service: €90,453 to €106,900
Head of finance €90,453 to €106,900
Veterinary officer: €60,555 to €94,392
3 senior engineers: €73,223 to €87,117
Senior planner: €73,223 to €87,117
Chief fire officer: €73,223 to €87,117
* What the top 10 earn: €1,012,989

Laois
County manager (Peter Carey): €132,511
2 director of services: €90,453 to €106,900
Head of finance: €90,453 to €106,900
Chief fire officer: €73,223 to €87,117
Senior planner: €73,223 to €87,117
3 senior engineers: €73,223 to €87,117
Financial management accountant: €64,426 to €84,036
* What the top 10 earn: €888,796

Leitrim
County manager (Jackie Maguire): €132,511
4 director of services: €90,453 to €106,900 Head of finance: €90,453 to €106,900
3 senior engineers: €73,223 to €87,117
Veterinary officer: €60,555 to €94,392
* What the top 10 earn: €1,022,754

Limerick city
City manager (Tom Mackey): €142,469
4 directors of service: €98,677 to €106,900
3 senior engineers: €81,886 to €87,117
Senior executive officer: €84,036
* What the top 10 earn: €1,006, 258

Limerick county
County manager (Gerry Behan, acting): €142,469
5 directors of services: €90,453 to €106,900
Head of finance: €90,453 to €106,900
Veterinary officer: €60,555 to €94,393
5 senior engineers: €73,223 to €87,117
Chief fire officer: €73,223 to €87,117
Regional waste co-ordinator: €73,223 to €84,036
* What the top 10 earn: €1,052,496

Longford
County manager (Tim Caffrey): €132,511
2 directors of services (plus one acting director of services): €90,453 to €106,900
Head of finance: €90,453 to €106,900
Senior resident engineer: €80,076
2 senior engineers: €73,223 to €87,117
4 senior executive officer: €64,426 to €84,036
8 senior executive engineers: €62,276 to €78,501
Veterinary inspector: €60,555 to €94,392
2 resident engineers: €59,680 to €68,030
Site technician: €48,147 to €52,363
* What the top 10 earn: €1,066,529

Louth
County manager (Conn Murray) €142,469
5 directors of services: €90,453 to €106,900
Head of finance: €90,453 to €106,900
6 senior engineers: €73,223 to €87,117
Chief fire officer: €73,223 to €87,117
11 in senior executive officer/financial management accountant/senior social worker/county librarian/head of IT posts: €64,426 to €84,036
* What the top 10 earn: €1,025,437

Mayo
County manager (Peter Hynes): €142,469
County engineer: €90,453 to €106,900
4 directors of services: €90,453 to €106,900
Head of finance: €90,453 to €106,900
Chief fire officer: €73,223 to €87,117
Project resident engineer: €88,698
Vet inspector: €60,555 to €94,392
* What the top 10 earn: €1,054,076

Meath
County Manager (Tom Dowling) €153,260
4 directors of services: €90,453 to €106,900
Head of finance: €90,453 €106,900
County Vet: €88,898 to €98,945
Project resident engineer: €88,698
Chief fire officer: €73,223 to €87,117
Senior planner: €73,223 to €87,117
4 senior engineers: €73,223 to €87,117
* What the top 10 earn: €1,049,637

Monaghan
County manager (David Fallon): €132,511
2 directors of services: €90,453 to €106,900
Acting director of services: €90,453 to €106,900
Head of finance: €90,453 to €106,900
3 senior engineers: €73,223 to €87,117
Veterinary inspector: €60,555 to €94,392
Senior executive officer: €64,426 to €84,036
* What the top 10 earn: €999,890

North Tipp
County manager (Joe MacGrath): €132,511
3 directors of service: €90,453 to €106,900
Head of finance: €90,453 to €106,900
Veterinary inspector: €60,555 to €94,392
4 senior engineers: €73,223 to €87,117
* What the top 10 earn: €1,002,971

Offaly
County manager (Pat Gallagher): €132,511
4 directors of services: €90,453 to €106,900
Head of finance: €90,453 to €106,900
3 senior engineers: €73,223 to €87,117
Chief fire officer: €73,223 to €87,117
Senior planner: €73,223 to €87,117
* What the top 10 earn: €995,696

Roscommon
County manager (Frank Dawson): €132,511
3 directors of services: €90,453 to €106,900
Head of finance: €90,453 to €106,900
Veterinary inspector: €60,555 to €94,392
Chief fire officer: €73,223 to €87,117
3 senior engineers: €73,223 to €87,117
* What the top 10 earn: €1,002,971
Sligo County
County manager (Hubert Kearns): €136,509
3 directors of services: €99,970 to €109,268
Senior executive officer: €104,885
Project engineer: €96,167
2 senior engineers: €86,818 to €92,919
Veterinary inspector: €91,336
Chief librarian: €86,573
* What the top 10 earn: €1,012,872

Sligo Borough
Acting director of services: €102,787
Senior executive officer: €81,234
4 senior executive engineers: €71,824 to €76,118
Executive engineer and acting senior executive engineers: €64,373
Executive engineer: €62,374
3 administrative officers: €59,324 to €61,420
* What the top 10 earn: €653,182

South Dublin
County manager (Philomena Poole, acting): €162,062
8 directors of services: €90,453 to €106,900
Project engineer (construction): €87,117
County architect: €78,368 to €95,540
Law agent: €78,368 to €95,540
15 in senior engineer/senior architect/senior planner/parks superintendent/solicitor/health and safety adviser posts: €73,223 to €87,117
* What the top 10 earn: €1,104,379

South Tipp
County manager (Billy McEvoy): €142,469
5 directors of services: €90,453 to €106,900
4 veterinary inspectors: €60,555 to €94,393
* What the top 10 earn: €1,054,541

Waterford City Council
City manager (Michael Walsh): €132,511
3 directors of services: €90,453 to €106,900
Head of finance: €90,453 to €106,900
Senior engineer: €73,223 to €87,117
Senior architect: €73,223 to €87,117
Chief fire officer: €73,223 to €87,117
City librarian: €64,426 to €84,036
Head of information systems: €64,426 to €84,036
* What the top 10 earn: €989,534

Waterford County Council
County manager (Denis McCarthy): €132,511
4 directors of services: €90,453 to €106,900
3 senior engineers: €73,223 to €87,117
County librarian: €68,496
4 senior executive officer: €64,426 to €84,036
* What the top 10 earn: €973,994

Westmeath
County manager (Danny McLoughlin) €142,469
2 directors of services: €90,453 to €106,900
Head of finance: €90,453 to €106,900
Veterinary officer: €60,555 to €94,392
Chief fire officer: €73,223 to €87,117
3 senior engineers: €73,223 to €87,117
County librarian: €64,426 to €84,036
* What the top 10 earn: €990,065

Wexford
County manager (Eddie Breen): €142,469
3 directors of services: €102,787 to €106,900
Head of finance: €94,565
County veterinary officer: €94,392
2 senior engineers: €87,117
Chief fire officer: €84,500
Senior engineer: €84,500
* What the top 10 earn: €991,247

Wicklow
County manager (Eddie Sheehy): €142,469
6 directors of services: €90,453 to €106,900
Head of finance: €90,453 to €106,900
Law agent: €78,368 to €95,540
Veterinary inspector: €60,555 to €94,392
* What the top 10 earn: €1,080,701

darkhorse

dxhound2005 wrote: »

If Sinn Fein were being consistent they would be trying to repeal the tax in the North as well.

Have they got that kind of power in the North?

tayto lover

Jesus Squod it's no wonder we are fcuked with those wages.
They will have to double the LPT to pay that.

squod

tayto lover wrote: »

Jesus Squod it's no wonder we are fcuked with those wages.
They will have to double the LPT to pay that.

Tip of the iceberg.

tayto lover

Oh my God.
What a complete waste of money.

tayto lover

Oh my God.
What a complete waste of money.
No wonder the t.v. licence is so dear.

Sunnyisland

tayto lover wrote: »

Oh my God.
What a complete waste of money.
No wonder the t.v. licence is so dear.

I think I posted in the wrong thread :o

Yitzhak Rabin

That list is shocking.

The county manager of Leitrim is on 132,000 a year. There's only fcuking 32,000 people living in the county ffs.

Phill Ewinn

Yitzhak Rabin wrote: »

That list is shocking.

The county manager of Leitrim is on 132,000 a year. There's only fcuking 32,000 people living in the county ffs.

Shuddup and pay your taxes.

Yitzhak Rabin

Phill Ewinn wrote: »

Shuddup and pay your taxes.

Kinda feel a small bit bad for being a dick about the whole property tax thing now. Those salaries are fairly mental.

But I suppose anyone who actually believes the property tax is actually to pay for local services is living on cloud cuckoo land. Its just another tax to try and narrow the gap between what we take in in tax vs what we pay out. Calling it a local services charge is just window dressing.

awec

Yitzhak Rabin wrote: »

That list is shocking.

The county manager of Leitrim is on 132,000 a year. There's only fcuking 32,000 people living in the county ffs.

That is a perfectly reasonable salary for someone with the responsibilities of a county council manager. I think the issue is the amount of people at the high levels, rather than the salaries themselves.

It is a problem with the public sector in general in Ireland. There is far too many of them. TDs included.

dxhound2005

awec wrote: »

That is a perfectly reasonable salary for someone with the responsibilities of a county council manager. I think the issue is the amount of people at the high levels, rather than the salaries themselves.

It is a problem with the public sector in general in Ireland. There is far too many of them. TDs included.

I would say it's a reasonable salary. I don't know if someone in a betting company would have 50 times as much responsibility as the man in Leitrim. But he gets 50 times as much.

http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/paddy-power-boss-pockets-68m-win-29120329.html

I'm not against that but people in the public service have to get paid as well, it's not a vocation. I see there are over 3000 people in the UK in local government on over £100,000 so it's not just here and they had property tax all along.

squod

dxhound2005 wrote: »

I'm not against that but people in the public service have to get paid as well, it's not a vocation.

Some of these districts and councils are hundreds of millions in debt. Would you keep the board of a loss making company because of some bizarre ''job for life'' leftie bullshit ?

Lots of those people need sacking. They can go to the UK if they want. Truth is most of them wouldn't get jobs packing shelves.

Banjo String

dxhound2005 wrote: »

I would say it's a reasonable salary. I don't know if someone in a betting company would have 50 times as much responsibility as the man in Leitrim. But he gets 50 times as much.

http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/paddy-power-boss-pockets-68m-win-29120329.html

I'm not against that but people in the public service have to get paid as well, it's not a vocation. I see there are over 3000 people in the UK in local government on over £100,000 so it's not just here and they had property tax all along.

When Paddy power, William Hill etc start to get revenue to threaten us to bet to pay their salaries, I'll be first in line refuse that levy also.

tayto lover

Yitzhak Rabin wrote: »

Kinda feel a small bit bad for being a dick about the whole property tax thing now. Those salaries are fairly mental.

But I suppose anyone who actually believes the property tax is actually to pay for local services is living on cloud cuckoo land. Its just another tax to try and narrow the gap between what we take in in tax vs what we pay out. Calling it a local services charge is just window dressing.

I'd much prefer honesty and truthfulness from those we elected.

Banjo String

It's now April and I've still received nothing from revenue.

Maybe coincidence, but i didn't register for the hhc either.

Anyone else in same boat, or have any of you that didn't pay /register for the hhc receive anything yet?

Phoebas

SamHall wrote: »

It's now April and I've still received nothing from revenue.

Maybe coincidence, but i didn't register for the hhc either.

Anyone else in same boat, or have any of you that didn't pay /register for the hhc receive anything yet?

I haven't had my LPT letter yet, but I did register for the HHC.


On what date does your outstanding €100 HHC get upgraded to a €200 LPT bill?

DoesNotCompute

Ireland: the only country in the world where so called socialists oppose a tax on private property.

Banjo String

DoesNotCompute wrote: »

Ireland: the only country in the world where so called socialists oppose a tax on private property.

I didn't realise Enda and Leo were socialists?

I mean, they were staunchly opposed to it until their bloated salaries depended on one

DoesNotCompute

SamHall wrote: »

I didn't realise Enda and Leo were socialists?

I mean, they were staunchly opposed to it until their bloated salaries depended on one

Enda and Leo are opportunistic populists, not like Sinn Feinn of course :rolleyes:

Banjo String

DoesNotCompute wrote: »

Enda and Leo are opportunistic populists, a pair of money grabbing hypocrites, not like Sinn Feinn of course :rolleyes:

That's better.