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realdanbreen

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: »

Are the Sindo being trolled or doing the trolling lol.

Still, the writer has a point. Its understandable that we in Tipp ere hated, after all we are surrounded by 8 hurling counties and have at one time or other trounced them all. We are a bit like the Gaza strip, without the weather. But why would Kilkenny be hated?

Speak Now

realdanbreen wrote: »

Still, the writer has a point. Its understandable that we in Tipp ere hated, after all we are surrounded by 8 hurling counties and have at one time or other trounced them all. We are a bit like the Gaza strip, without the weather. But why would Kilkenny be hated?

You're starting to run low on fuel Dan :-)
This time next week you'll be making every second post on this page OR doing your lord lucan impression like you did the last couple of years ;-)

Enjoy the week, nothing like week of an All Ireland!

Hitchens

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: »

You're starting to run low on fuel Dan :-)
This time next week you'll be making every second post on this page OR doing your lord lucan impression like you did the last couple of years ;-)

Enjoy the week, nothing like week of an All Ireland!

All dem oul wind turbines on sleeve na mon are starting to affect Dan

20silkcut

It's fair true though the Kk whinging about Kelly is unbearable and nauseating to all outside Kk
.
Kk were gifted an all Ireland in 2009 because of dodgy refereeing.

The 2012 all Ireland replay was killed as a contest by a bad refereeing decision in ye're favour again.

Kelly's so called bad decisions the last day had little bearing on the result.

Grats

20silkcut wrote: »

It's fair true though the Kk whinging about Kelly is unbearable and nauseating to all outside Kk
.
Kk were gifted an all Ireland in 2009 because of dodgy refereeing.

The 2012 all Ireland replay was killed as a contest by a bad refereeing decision in ye're favour again.

Kelly's so called bad decisions the last day had little bearing on the result.

And likewise, it's fair true though that the whinging about us been gifted the title in 2009 is unbearable and nauseating to all inside Kilkenny! Over five years ago and ye still haven't got over it! Don't you think it's time to move on now?

dcrosskid

Grats wrote: »

Exactly. Only somebody actually working for that paper could manage to get such a letter published. Clearly badly disguised. A bigger joke than the Donegal lad up the tree in Kerry spying! Surely Tommy or Damian could do better!

Mind you the writer ought to be careful what he wishes for in asking Brian Gavin to do his duty! Is he suggesting that Barry Kelly didn't do his duty? He may be on to something here though as the stats show that Tipp over carried on 13 occasions in the drawn match and weren't blown once. Now, should Brian Gavin do his duty Tipp could be in deep deep trouble!

The stats you refer to were compiled by a KK fan, posted in a KK discussion thread. Hardly the best source, no offence to the man.

I have watched the match back a couple of times myself and was there on the day and would disagree with a lot of his stats based on my viewing.

20silkcut

Grats wrote: »

And likewise, it's fair true though that the whinging about us been gifted the title in 2009 is unbearable and nauseating to all inside Kilkenny! Over five years ago and ye still haven't got over it! Don't you think it's time to move on now?

As I said there were no devastating consequences for Kk to Kelly's percieved bad decisions.
Ye're whinging musters about as much sympathy as a bank complaining about tracker mortgages on its books.

dirkmeister

20silkcut wrote: »

It's fair true though the Kk whinging about Kelly is unbearable and nauseating to all outside Kk
.
Kk were gifted an all Ireland in 2009 because of dodgy refereeing.

The 2012 all Ireland replay was killed as a contest by a bad refereeing decision in ye're favour again.

Kelly's so called bad decisions the last day had little bearing on the result.

1.tipp were 1 point down after the penalty in 09,plenty of time to come back but lost by 5.

2.cyrill donnellan split JJ in 2012,he didn't actually come back onto the field.

3.barry Kelly's decisions didn't affect the result,how about larkins free that wasn't which resulted in a tipp point?


However,they are all done with so no point getting caught up in that.

Roll on Saturday.

Grats

dcrosskid wrote: »

The stats you refer to were compiled by a KK fan, posted in a KK discussion thread. Hardly the best source, no offence to the man.

I have watched the match back a couple of times myself and was there on the day and would disagree with a lot of his stats based on my viewing.

Well in the same way that you wouldn't expect Damian Lawlor to write anything bad about Tipp in his column, it is understandable that a Kilkenny fan would highlight particular aspects of the game on a Kilkenny discussion thread! Whether the over carrying count is right or not isn't the issue. The issue is that it is being allowed to a far greater extent than is the past despite the rule governing it. I don't need to watch matches back to confirm what. I see on the day.

20silkcut

dirkmeister wrote: »

1.tipp were 1 point down after the penalty in 09,plenty of time to come back but lost by 5.

2.cyrill donnellan split JJ in 2012,he didn't actually come back onto the field.

3.barry Kelly's decisions didn't affect the result,how about larkins free that wasn't which resulted in a tipp point?


However,they are all done with so no point getting caught up in that.

Roll on Saturday.

Goals change momentum they are more than just three points.
I was referring to Cyril donnellans goal that was called back for a free in. Not the jj incident .
A real slice of luck for Kk which meant the last 20 mins of that game would be a stroll in the park.
That Larkin incident was nothing and occurred early in the first half when the game was far from the melting pot.

dirtyden

dirkmeister wrote: »

1.tipp were 1 point down after the penalty in 09,plenty of time to come back but lost by 5.

2.cyrill donnellan split JJ in 2012,he didn't actually come back onto the field.

3.barry Kelly's decisions didn't affect the result,how about larkins free that wasn't which resulted in a tipp point?


However,they are all done with so no point getting caught up in that.

Roll on Saturday.

You are correct if Barry Kelly gave a free for the trip on Paddy Stapleton prior to TJ Reids goal, Tipp would be all ireland champions.

Grats

dirtyden wrote: »

You are correct if Barry Kelly gave a free for the trip on Paddy Stapleton prior to TJ Reids goal, Tipp would be all ireland champions.

And if Tipp had a decent penalty taker they might have won!

We in Kilkenny had worries about the ref before the drawn match. Those worries were justified and confirmed, in OUR opinion. Tipp were clearly happy with the ref on the day, good for them.

Can't imagine either set of supporters clapping the ref off the pitch after the replay! Different ref, different game!

20silkcut

dirtyden wrote: »

You are correct if Barry Kelly gave a free for the trip on Paddy Stapleton prior to TJ Reids goal, Tipp would be all ireland champions.

Just imagine the bile and vitriol if Kelly had blown that for a free oh lord Jaysus .

Grats

20silkcut wrote: »

Just imagine the bile and vitriol if Kelly had blown that for a free oh lord Jaysus .

And imagine if he had sent off the Tipp player for dragging Power's face guard! He'd never have received the standing ovation!

dcrosskid

Grats wrote: »

And imagine if he had sent off the Tipp player for dragging Power's face guard! He'd never have received the standing ovation!

Power had the but of the hurley pushed right into Stapelton's helmet but nothing was made of it at the time as it wasn't as obvious in the replay, if it was an inch more to the front of his helmet it could have been the very same as Gerry Quinn and Shefflin back in 2005?? Also hasn't Power previous with pulling face guards himself and not only getting away with it, but also somehow manufacturing a free in.

dirtyden

Grats wrote: »

And if Tipp had a decent penalty taker they might have won!

We in Kilkenny had worries about the ref before the drawn match. Those worries were justified and confirmed, in OUR opinion. Tipp were clearly happy with the ref on the day, good for them.

Can't imagine either set of supporters clapping the ref off the pitch after the replay! Different ref, different game!

I will give you that Tipp got a few soft ones the last day no doubt, but we also had a few decisons go against us. I dont think B Kelly had a huge influence on the result and a draw was quite fair. The E Brennan type conspiracy theorists are a bit ridiculous though.

Gentleman Off The Pitch

dcrosskid wrote: »

Power had the but of the hurley pushed right into Stapelton's helmet but nothing was made of it at the time as it wasn't as obvious in the replay, if it was an inch more to the front of his helmet it could have been the very same as Gerry Quinn and Shefflin back in 2005?? Also hasn't Power previous with pulling face guards himself and not only getting away with it, but also somehow manufacturing a free in.

Like almost every contest under a dropping ball between two players, the player trying to catch the ball uses the arm holding the hurl to hold off his player. To say "Power had the but of the hurley pushed right into Stapelton's helmet" is being very dramatic in fairness, and the incident was not compariable in anyway to Jerry Quinn on Shefflin, except for both cases there was a sending offence commited by the non Kilkenny player

Well you're kinda correct, Power does have expereince of face guards being pulled alright
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Gentleman Off The Pitch

dirtyden wrote: »

You are correct if Barry Kelly gave a free for the trip on Paddy Stapleton prior to TJ Reids goal, Tipp would be all ireland champions.

It's unfortunate for Tipp that Barry Kelly isn't as good a ref as his legion of Tipp fans think, since if he was, he would have blown for the blatant dragging back by Stapleton on Power before Power kicked out and Kilkenny would have had tapped over a free rather than scored a goal moments later.

realdanbreen

Grats wrote: »

And if Tipp had a decent penalty taker they might have won!

We in Kilkenny had worries about the ref before the drawn match. Those worries were justified and confirmed, in OUR opinion. Tipp were clearly happy with the ref on the day, good for them.

Can't imagine either set of supporters clapping the ref off the pitch after the replay! Different ref, different game!

I met Brian Gavin going into Supervalue in Nenagh at the weekend, he's in great form and can't wait for Saturday to come. We had a great chat as all his people came from around Borrisokane.

GerB40

realdanbreen wrote: »

I met Brian Gavin going into Supervalue in Nenagh at the weekend, he's in great form and can't wait for Saturday to come. We had a great chat as all his people came from around Borrisokane.

Supervalu in Nenagh closed 5 years ago Dan...

Justice for the individual

The one thing I noticed was the way the different teams tackled the man in possession. The Tipperary backs were far more aggressive and did not stand on ceremony. This appears to be the trend/mindset of the teams Kilkenny play over the last few years and would this be because of a carte blanche received from the referees to act in this manner. The Tipperary player, if caught in possession, (I think it was the corner back/s), the ball was thrown on the ground or away from the point of contact, to avoid a free against them. The referee, and we won't go into who it is, let them away with it.

Kilkenny, on the other hand, who have been reported as "playing on the edge" for years by other team managers and commentators, have been penalized out of existence in some matches to the advantage of the rival team.

Some of the Tipperary backs when in possession were charging the man, and were not whistled up. Brian Hogan, for the last free to Tipperary, was stopped in his tracks, while going forward with the ball, and had a crucial free awarded against him. Granted, it was a bit far out for O'Dwyer and he did not convert it. If the free had been given to Kilkenny, it was much nearer to the Tipperary goal and very convertable. It was a debatable decision, but fortunately, did not result in a winning point for Tipperary. Kilkenny do not look for any favouritism, but we would demand fair play from the officials who are appointed to referee in an even-handed manner.

There is a perception that Kilkenny, and the backs in particular, are more closely refereed than the opposition, and this may explain the soft tackling on the Tipperary forwards, and thus the sight of Tipperary forwards playing ducks and drakes with the Kilkenny backs.

Hopefully, we will see a different attitude adopted by Kilkenny for the replay, and not allow loose play to develop, which suits the Tipperary fast movement, interchanging forward style of play (an adaptation of the Cork, Galway and Clare styles of recent times)

We trust Brian has the antidote to counteract this for the replay and introduce a remedy of his own to inflict a defeat on this good Tipperary team and Kilkenny will lift their game, especially for this one.

oconnol1

Hello all, anyone know if the KK supportors club have had their draw for tickets yet. Thanks.

deadybai

GerB40 wrote: »

Supervalu in Nenagh closed 5 years ago Dan...

Jesus Supervalu is fair popular for meeting GAA people

fed up sick and tired

realdanbreen wrote: »

Still, the writer has a point. Its understandable that we in Tipp ere hated, after all we are surrounded by 8 hurling counties and have at one time or other trounced them all. We are a bit like the Gaza strip, without the weather. But why would Kilkenny be hated?

Is that why they call ye The Stonethrowers ?

Very funny post though, fair play to you.

Grats

You can just sense the real fear in some Tipp boys with a new ref for the replay! Having chats with the ref in Supervalu, advising him in the Sindo etc!

Brian Gavin will be disappointed not to be applauded off the pitch by the Tipp supporters like ye did for Kelly. Then again, he'll realise that ye just don't do two in a row!

Grats

Justice for the individual wrote: »

The one thing I noticed was the way the different teams tackled the man in possession. The Tipperary backs were far more aggressive and did not stand on ceremony. This appears to be the trend/mindset of the teams Kilkenny play over the last few years and would this be because of a carte blanche received from the referees to act in this manner. The Tipperary player, if caught in possession, (I think it was the corner back/s), the ball was thrown on the ground or away from the point of contact, to avoid a free against them. The referee, and we won't go into who it is, let them away with it.

Kilkenny, on the other hand, who have been reported as "playing on the edge" for years by other team managers and commentators, have been penalized out of existence in some matches to the advantage of the rival team.

Some of the Tipperary backs when in possession were charging the man, and were not whistled up. Brian Hogan, for the last free to Tipperary, was stopped in his tracks, while going forward with the ball, and had a crucial free awarded against him. Granted, it was a bit far out for O'Dwyer and he did not convert it. If the free had been given to Kilkenny, it was much nearer to the Tipperary goal and very convertable. It was a debatable decision, but fortunately, did not result in a winning point for Tipperary. Kilkenny do not look for any favouritism, but we would demand fair play from the officials who are appointed to referee in an even-handed manner.

There is a perception that Kilkenny, and the backs in particular, are more closely refereed than the opposition, and this may explain the soft tackling on the Tipperary forwards, and thus the sight of Tipperary forwards playing ducks and drakes with the Kilkenny backs.

Hopefully, we will see a different attitude adopted by Kilkenny for the replay, and not allow loose play to develop, which suits the Tipperary fast movement, interchanging forward style of play (an adaptation of the Cork, Galway and Clare styles of recent times)

We trust Brian has the antidote to counteract this for the replay and introduce a remedy of his own to inflict a defeat on this good Tipperary team and Kilkenny will lift their game, especially for this one.

Absolutely spot on.

dirkmeister

Regarding fouling and so on....

Tipp backs were a little bit cuter where they were prepared to foul, any time a Kilkenny forward looked like breaking away then it was a simple pull back 40 yards from goal.
In contrast, Kilkennys backs would wait until it was too late, ie penalty or goal.

It happened at least 3 times in the drawn game

randd1

dirkmeister wrote: »

Regarding fouling and so on....

Tipp backs were a little bit cuter where they were prepared to foul, any time a Kilkenny forward looked like breaking away then it was a simple pull back 40 yards from goal.
In contrast, Kilkennys backs would wait until it was too late, ie penalty or goal.

It happened at least 3 times in the drawn game

Yeah, I actually thought the Tipp backs were a bit more cuter than ours the last day myself, certainly when in the tackle.

Fair play to them all the same, they did what they had to do and to be honest, it was their best and most ruthless defensive performance by a mile since the 2010 final.

I felt our lads were a bit lackadaisical at times, especially in the last 10 minutes where lads were looking for booming clearances, when a simple layoff to the man in space would have resulted in a better clearance. It resulted in a couple of turnovers that ended up in points, silly stuff compared to what was being done at the far end.

ttowncat

are there any open training nights this week?

piuswal

randd1 wrote: »

Yeah, I actually thought the Tipp backs were a bit more cuter than ours the last day myself, certainly when in the tackle.

Fair play to them all the same, they did what they had to do and to be honest, it was their best and most ruthless defensive performance by a mile since the 2010 final.

I felt our lads were a bit lackadaisical at times, especially in the last 10 minutes where lads were looking for booming clearances, when a simple layoff to the man in space would have resulted in a better clearance. It resulted in a couple of turnovers that ended up in points, silly stuff compared to what was being done at the far end.

Any ideas as to why this happened.

As far as I can recall on at least 2 occasions a man was free behind the man with the ball and there was no effort to pass back?

How of the scores happened after Henry came on/

Did his coming on cause the the drop in concentration? Either by the thought "Henry is on, we have it now" or because Henry was on the previous leaders relaxed ever so slightly?