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    #242
    XxMCRxBabyxX
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 7,439 Mod ✭✭✭✭XxMCRxBabyxX


    opinion guy wrote: »
    trial by media ?

    Again, different legal and police system. Trial by media doesn't really exist in SA. This is normal really for big cases.


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    #243
    opinion guy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,001 ✭✭✭✭opinion guy


    XxMCRxBabyxX wrote: »
    Again, different legal and police system. Trial by media doesn't really exist in SA. This is normal really for big cases.

    Well I can't really argue as to what is normal there. But how can trial by media not exist ??:confused:


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    #244
    XxMCRxBabyxX
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 7,439 Mod ✭✭✭✭XxMCRxBabyxX


    opinion guy wrote: »
    Well I can't really argue as to what is normal there. But how can trial by media not exist ??:confused:

    Because it is not a concept recognised by the SA legal system. If this was an Irish case we couldn't even discuss it on boards in case of that risk.


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    #245
    Degringola
    Registered Users Posts: 415 ✭✭Degringola


    Why was there blood on the bat if he only used it to break down the door?

    And Reeva had head wounds:

    " A source with inside knowledge of the case told the newspaper Rapport that Reeva Steenkamp’s skull had been “crushed,” possibly by blows to the back of her head."
    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/bloody-cricket-bat-center-reeva-steenkamp-murder-case-reports-article-1.1266376


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    #246
    Gosub
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    He says he used the bat to break down the bathroom door. But the bat was covered with blood. What kind of door bleeds?


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    #247
    opinion guy
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    Degringola wrote: »
    Why was there blood on the bat if he only used it to break down the door?

    And Reeva had head wounds:

    " A source with inside knowledge of the case told the newspaper Rapport that Reeva Steenkamp’s skull had been “crushed,” possibly by blows to the back of her head."
    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/bloody-cricket-bat-center-reeva-steenkamp-murder-case-reports-article-1.1266376

    ---->
    Wossack wrote: »
    'sources close to the investigation' - license to print anything really


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    #248
    davet82
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    Gosub wrote: »
    He says he used the bat to break down the bathroom door. But the bat was covered with blood. What kind of door bleeds?

    a door with somebodies head pressed against it maybe...

    point is they will have to cover alot bases if he is to be proven innocent imo


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    #249
    Gosub
    Closed Accounts Posts: 874 ✭✭✭Gosub


    davet82 wrote: »
    a door with somebodies head pressed against it maybe...

    point is they will have to cover alot bases if he is to be proven innocent imo
    Only if the head was being pressed against it by the holder of the bat. Why would she keep her head against the inside of a door that is being battered in? Surely it would take more than one blow from a bat to break an internal door, even if it was poor quality, which seems unlikely in this case.


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    #250
    Duggys Housemate
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    The baseball bat hasn't been mentioned in court to my knowledge.


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    #251
    seamus
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    Degringola wrote: »
    Why was there blood on the bat if he only used it to break down the door?
    Plausibly? You'd break down the door, then throw the bat on the ground. There could be blood on the ground, or it could splatter onto the bat as he tried to move her.


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    #252
    Gosub
    Closed Accounts Posts: 874 ✭✭✭Gosub


    seamus wrote: »
    Plausibly? You'd break down the door, then throw the bat on the ground. There could be blood on the ground, or it could splatter onto the bat as he tried to move her.
    Possible. It would be interesting to hear if there was other matter on the bat. That would be harder to talk away.


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    #253
    davet82
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭davet82


    Gosub wrote: »
    Only if the head was being pressed against it by the holder of the bat. Why would she keep her head against the inside of a door that is being battered in? Surely it would take more than one blow from a bat to break an internal door, even if it was poor quality, which seems unlikely in this case.

    I agree!
    seamus wrote: »
    Plausibly? You'd break down the door, then throw the bat on the ground. There could be blood on the ground, or it could splatter onto the bat as he tried to move her.

    The smashed skull seems to be the problem though!


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    #254
    Wossack
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    Duggys Housemate wrote: »
    The baseball bat hasn't been mentioned in court to my knowledge.

    "Mr Pistorius broke the door down with a cricket bat to find his girlfriend shot inside, the statement said." - just from the bbc website

    no word of it being bloody mind you, or there being any related injuries to Reeva


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    #255
    opinion guy
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    davet82 wrote: »
    I agree!



    The smashed skull seems to be the problem though!

    Again was this mentioned in court ?

    I would agree if this is true then he is guilty, however so far I've only seen it reported as a leak from 'an insider with knowledge'


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    #256
    Wossack
    Registered Users Posts: 7,005 ✭✭✭Wossack


    opinion guy wrote: »
    Again was this mentioned in court ?

    I would agree if this is true then he is guilty, however so far I've only seen it reported as a leak from 'an insider with knowledge'

    If there were related wounds, I really would have thought the prosecution would have mentioned it - but they only say:

    "Prosecutor Gerrie Nel told the court that on the evening of 14 February, Mr Pistorius - a double amputee - had got up from bed, put on his prostheses, and fired his gun through the door of the small bathroom."

    again just per the bbc site (link)


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    #257
    fishy fishy
    Registered Users Posts: 3,456 ✭✭✭fishy fishy


    opinion guy wrote: »
    Yup.
    Have they presented evidence of this to the judge ?

    don't knnw, but it came from the police department in an interview. Be realistic.


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    #258
    davet82
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    opinion guy wrote: »
    Again was this mentioned in court ?

    I would agree if this is true then he is guilty, however so far I've only seen it reported as a leak from 'an insider with knowledge'


    I acknowledge your point but it has been mentioned already in this thread, i will try use 'allegedly' or 'as reported' then


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    #259
    Duggys Housemate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,298 ✭✭✭Duggys Housemate


    davet82 wrote: »


    I acknowledge your point but it has been mentioned already in this thread, i will try use 'allegedly' or 'as reported' then

    Lets not use it at all. We've had a bail hearing. The prosecution didn't mention it. It didn't happen.

    The shooting happened. That's not in dispute.


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    #260
    davet82
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭davet82


    Duggys Housemate wrote: »
    Lets not use it at all. We've had a bail hearing. The prosecution didn't mention it. It didn't happen.

    The shooting happened. That's not in dispute.

    ok i'll settle with that then


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    #261
    fishy fishy
    Registered Users Posts: 3,456 ✭✭✭fishy fishy


    this is just a bail hearing. its not a trial - not everything has to be mentioned.


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    #262
    sham69
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    only the 2 of them were in the house.
    Why did she lock the bathroom door?

    He said he grabbed his gun (in a darkened room) and went to the bathroom door.
    Said he let a shout and told his girlfriend to call the police?
    Surely if someone is shouting at you to get out of the house thinking you were someone else you would respond in some way?


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    #263
    robinph
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    sham69 wrote: »
    only the 2 of them were in the house.
    Why did she lock the bathroom door?
    Because she heard him shouting about there being someone in the house maybe?


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    #264
    Rascasse
    Registered Users Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭Rascasse


    sham69 wrote: »
    only the 2 of them were in the house.
    Why did she lock the bathroom door?

    He said he grabbed his gun (in a darkened room) and went to the bathroom door.
    Said he let a shout and told his girlfriend to call the police?
    Surely if someone is shouting at you to get out of the house thinking you were someone else you would respond in some way?

    I'd imagine he'd argue that when he left the room for the fan she went to the bathroom (locking the door in the process), he heard someone in the toilet, got his gun from beside his bed, shouted to her and fired.

    I'm not troubled so much by the locked door, more so by the fact that he didn't see she wasn't in bed and that she didn't answer back when he shouted.


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    #265
    Ash.J.Williams
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    ha ha the BBC just had to apologise for playing jimi hendrix "hey joe" after their segment on the Oscar case!!


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    #266
    sham69
    Registered Users Posts: 2,321 ✭✭✭sham69


    Rascasse wrote: »
    I'd imagine he'd argue that when he left the room for the fan she went to the bathroom (locking the door in the process), he heard someone in the toilet, got his gun from beside his bed, shouted to her and fired.

    I'm not troubled so much by the locked door, more so by the fact that he didn't see she wasn't in bed and that she didn't answer back when he shouted.

    what I meant was, I never lock the door in the bathroom in my house unless we have guests etc...

    I suppose I don't live in South Africa although Cabra can be quite rough at times :)


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    #267
    LizT
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    sham69 wrote: »

    what I meant was, I never lock the door in the bathroom in my house unless we have guests etc...

    I suppose I don't live in South Africa although Cabra can be quite rough at times :)

    I do, even if the house is empty. It's just force of habit.


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    #268
    fishy fishy
    Registered Users Posts: 3,456 ✭✭✭fishy fishy


    just a thought....

    if you are so security conscious, that you would have a gun by your bed, then why would you leave a bathroom window open with ladders nearby?


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    #269
    sham69
    Registered Users Posts: 2,321 ✭✭✭sham69


    LizT wrote: »
    I do, even if the house is empty. It's just force of habit.

    Woman thing obviously which is fair enough I suppose...


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    #270
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users Posts: 85,734 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Oscar Pistorius has denied murdering his girlfriend, saying he shot her by mistake thinking she was an intruder.
    He told a packed bail hearing in Pretoria that he loved Reeva Steenkamp and had never intended to kill her.
    Prosecutors accuse Mr Pistorius of premeditated murder. They say he shot his girlfriend dead deliberately, firing through a locked bathroom door.
    The hearing came as Ms Steenkamp's family held her funeral.
    The case has shocked South Africans and many around the world who admire Oscar Pistorius for overcoming adversity to become a Paralympic champion.
    Tuesday's hearing began with the prosecution giving its account of the killing, which it says was premeditated murder by the 26-year-old athlete at his home in Pretoria.
    Prosecutor Gerrie Nel told the court that in the early hours of the morning of 14 February, Mr Pistorius - a double amputee - had got up from bed, put on his prostheses, and fired his pistol through the locked door of the bathroom.
    He shot four times and hit Ms Steenkamp three times, Mr Nel said.
    He added that the defendant later broke down the bathroom door with a cricket bat and carried the body downstairs.

    I think she locked herself away in the bathroom as she was afraid of him


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    #271
    davet82
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭davet82


    sham69 wrote: »
    Woman thing obviously which is fair enough I suppose...

    not really i often lock the door when i'm in the house by myself out of habit tbh


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