operation transformation 2013

Gee_G

Sorry if this is already posted somewhere!

But it's Starting back next Tuesday night! I love it! I've decided to follow some of the leaders this year too (should be fun!:))

Apple tree

Anyone know of any groups I can join for operation transformation 2013. Drogheda, bettystown area?

DenMan

Thanks OP. I really like the idea of splitting the show into two half hour episodes rather than a once off, one hour, once a week show. The very best of luck to all the participants (on screen and those off).

foggy

I've been looking at the webpage on RTE.ie but there seems to be alot of problems with the links. The breakfast options and lunch options open up the shopping list for weeks 2 & 3. Is anyone else having that problem too?

gubbie

foggy wrote: »

I've been looking at the webpage on RTE.ie but there seems to be alot of problems with the links. The breakfast options and lunch options open up the shopping list for weeks 2 & 3. Is anyone else having that problem too?

I went into Charlottes page. In her biography after one paragraph it suddenly changes to "Linda"

Maybe it was a bit rushed.

hdowney

I think it was a bit rushed in places but hopefully they'l iron out the kinks. So peeved I wanted to sign up for the 5k already but registration doesn't open until the 22nd according to the website. I am hoping to best myself on last year. I did it walking in just under an hour which was a MAJOR achievement for me. I think I am going to follow Charlotte's exercise plan and see how I get on. I am only going to use some of Eva's recipes though as I don't often like them, and use some of the Hairy Bikers Hairy Dieters cookbook and probably my Biggest Loser one too.

Gee_G

Yeah I couldn't download a lot of things off the website! Ah well, will try again tomorrow! Is there no app for OT?

Howjoe1

foggy wrote: »

I've been looking at the webpage on RTE.ie but there seems to be alot of problems with the links. The breakfast options and lunch options open up the shopping list for weeks 2 & 3. Is anyone else having that problem too?

Lots of errors, date for walk seems wrong too. Maybe the crowd running the SUSI grants are in charge:D

ah I'm sure it's only a few teething problems.

Harry Angstrom

I really don't get this programme. Watching it for the past two nights, I reckon some of them need to see a therapist or a psychiatrist to deal with the problems they're encountering first.

I'll probably get shot for saying this but losing weight is not rocket science. Eat less and exercise more. They don't need Eva Orsmond shouting down the phone at them and they certainly don't need a camera crew following them around 24/7.

hardCopy

The website is awful this year.

The recipes have no calorie counts on main meals

They don't say what brand or size of products to use (e.g. tortilla wraps, huge differences between brands).

The lunches do have calorie counts but they're way off, I presume the ingredients are for 4 portions but it doesn't say that. (e.g. 4 x wraps in a 200 calorie lunch???)

They have no meal plans up.

The shopping list doesn't have ingredients for the recipes that are up so far.

spank_inferno

I would agree largely with what you are saying.
I enjoy this series, Its a motivation and I enjoy seeing the joy the participents eventually experience.

However, so far this series though seems to be quite "X factor-ish".

It feels like it is more about the leaders personal journey, instead being about weight loss. & health improvement.
The "experts" seemed to be harsher straight off the bat, Simon Cowell-esque.

The Nordic woman (name escapes me) appears to be mid-transition to ooompa-loompa status!

Though whoever does her makeup has the gun on the wrong setting. :pac:

Handsome Bob

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

I really don't get this programme. Watching it for the past two nights, I reckon some of them need to see a therapist or a psychiatrist to deal with the problems they're encountering first.

I'll probably get shot for saying this but losing weight is not rocket science. Eat less and exercise more. They don't need Eva Orsmond shouting down the phone at them and they certainly don't need a camera crew following them around 24/7.

They're associating all their problems with their weight though and probably not wrongly.

But yeah, I wouldn't fancy going down this route in my weight loss. That circle of truth thing, fair play to them and all, but I wouldn't want family, friends and most of all work colleagues knowing about such personal issues.

Howjoe1

The website is very sloppy with details. Hopefully they will sort it out.

Agree with most of the comments about the opening week of this year. Daily Mail meets TV3 meets X-Factor crass approach.

The use of personal issues and tears and the humiliation of leaders was a bit much. Losing weight is not gonna solve marriage break-ups etc.

And an on-going issue (from all years) I don't get is why can't the Leaders be weighed each week in T-shirts & track bottoms, instead of the public humiliation of warts and all:mad:

But I will continue to watch it for the support and encouragement to get me out walking and exercising and trying to eat healthier.

Bigus

If you use the online guide and put yourself in seriously underweight for your height , it will still guide you to lose the same percentage weight,
Ie 5' 10 weighing 106 kg drop to 95 over seven weeks or 7 ft tall gives same answer.


5' 10 weighing 30 kg drop to 27 kg. or now 4.7 stone drop to 4.25 stone for a nearly 6 foot man !
5' 10' man weighing 10 kg advised to drop to 9kg or 1.41 stone

Ridiculous and potentially dangerous

Quite contrary

spank_inferno wrote: »

I would agree largely with what you are saying.
I enjoy this series, Its a motivation and I enjoy seeing the joy the participents eventually experience.

However, so far this series though seems to be quite "X factor-ish".

It feels like it is more about the leaders personal journey, instead being about weight loss. & health improvement.
The "experts" seemed to be harsher straight off the bat, Simon Cowell-esque.

The Nordic woman (name escapes me) appears to be mid-transition to ooompa-loompa status!

Though whoever does her makeup has the gun on the wrong setting. :pac:

Was that the same woman, that did the walk at the end, and was second to pull out of the walk.Was making the most comical faces,trying to do the walk.

I think they should have picked some heavier leaders, that really needed it.I wouldnt class that other woman who 13st, as being hugely overweight for the show.

Meathlass

Quite contrary wrote: »

I think they should have picked some heavier leaders, that really needed it.I wouldnt class that other woman who 13st, as being hugely overweight for the show.

Isn't that exactly the point they're trying to make though? That as a nation we look at that woman (sorry don't know her name) and say 'yeah she looks fine' when in reality she's probably about 2 stone overweight.

Quite contrary

I get what your trying to say. I would not have thought her that overwight, which proves the point. I suppose Im comparing it to other weight loss, shows, were the contestants are much heavier.

deelite

Is OT available on RTE Player (on the television not PC) - I can't find it?

hdowney

deelite wrote: »

Is OT available on RTE Player (on the television not PC) - I can't find it?

What do you mean by on the television? Do you mean through a playstation or something? Cos it isn't for some reason avail on the player on playstation

deelite

hdowney wrote: »

What do you mean by on the television? Do you mean through a playstation or something? Cos it isn't for some reason avail on the player on playstation

Sorry I mean through the UPC Box thing - it's not there - it mustn't be available.

Meathlass

Quite contrary wrote: »

I get what your trying to say. I would not have thought her that overwight, which proves the point. I suppose Im comparing it to other weight loss, shows, were the contestants are much heavier.

If they had heavier contestants though (like the Biggest Loser etc) it would just reinforce the idea that most people have that they themselves are not fat and only carrying a few pounds and the typical Irish love handles! I think that's the power of the show, to be honest. That they get people who represent as wide a cross section of society as possible and show how measurably better your life can become by even losing those few extra pounds a lot of people carry.

I do think this show though seems to be focusing a bit too much on the emotional issues as well (only 2 eps in so not sure yet) but losing weight etc. isn't going to fix broken marriages etc though it all does work towards self-esteem. Maybe we haven't gotten into it yet but I'd like to see how they got to that weight, what their exercise and diets were like before this.

hardCopy

deelite wrote: »

Sorry I mean through the UPC Box thing - it's not there - it mustn't be available.

The UPC box is very slow to update with new shows, you'l notice there's no "Latest" section on the menu, a real pain when you just miss a show an want to watch it back.

sillysmiles

Meathlass wrote: »

I do think this show though seems to be focusing a bit too much on the emotional issues as well....

That's one of the positive aspects of the show, that it shows that there is a psychological reason behind (some) of the over-eating done and tackle that. Question's why we eat the way we eat.

Though I feel for the guy with the broken marriage, I would hate to think that he thinks that this is a way to recover his marriage and I sincerely hope that it doesn't get pushed that way for "entertainment".

Howjoe1

sillysmiles wrote: »

That's one of the positive aspects of the show, that it shows that there is a psychological reason behind (some) of the over-eating done and tackle that. Question's why we eat the way we eat.

Though I feel for the guy with the broken marriage, I would hate to think that he thinks that this is a way to recover his marriage and I sincerely hope that it doesn't get pushed that way for "entertainment".

Gavin was on the John Murray show this morning and said the show over played the break-up issue and he was more embarrassed by the show's producers.

Evra could end up being as irratating on the (non)Dr Gilian McKeith.

Meathlass

Howjoe1 wrote: »

Gavin was on the John Murray show this morning and said the show over played the break-up issue and he was more embarrassed by the show's producers.

Evra could end up being as irratating on the (non)Dr Gilian McKeith.

Yeah that's what I meant by focusing too much on things. That's editing for you, I'm afraid though, when you're in these reality tv shows.

coconut5

I thought it was interesting when Karl said that the guy with the four kids had a void in his life and he could use exercise to fill it. I think that could definitely help him, rather than sitting at home feeling lonely, he could do something that would have a positive impact.
They said at the start of the series that they would be looking at people's emotional connection to food, so I don't have an issue with that.
To the person who said it's not rocket science and a reality show is prob not the best way to lose weight, I think these people put themselves forward cos they can't do it by themselves, and having this extra focus and pressure is giving them the push they need. I wouldn't like it, but these people obviously want to do this.

Neeson

Ah here. He can't cook.

Neeson

Ah here. Poor chap.

Neeson

Ah here.

This guy is shocking. The young fella.

Silvio.Dante

20 stone..:(

Neeson

The mother can chat all she wants. She could have stopped when she seen him growing a pair instead of letting him go. Take the hard line. And why was he not wheeled out and weighed like everyone else?

Neeson

Charlotte?

Sure she couldn't lift for sh1te! Sympathy isn't going to shift her gut.

Neeson

I wonder what happens after the show.

These people will just lose a bit of weight. Maybe starve themselves so they don't have that bint roaring down their throats. When it all ends they'll just starting eating for sh1te again. They dropping off a colossal amount of weight in the space of one week.

Quite contrary

Neeson wrote: »

Charlotte?

Sure she couldn't lift for sh1te! Sympathy isn't going to shift her gut.

Neither could Deirdre. I didn't see her lift anything, without the help of Charlotte or one of the other leaders.

Handsome Bob

Neeson wrote: »

I wonder what happens after the show.

These people will just lose a bit of weight. Maybe starve themselves so they don't have that bint roaring down their throats. When it all ends they'll just starting eating for sh1te again. They dropping off a colossal amount of weight in the space of one week.

The only thing I'll say in favour of the show is that it is trying to promote a sustainable lifestyle. Take The Biggest Loser for a comparison, from the first week they try to kill the contestants with insane workouts, while keeping them isolated from their families on some ranch with a chef to tailor their diets for them.

This show, in comparison, promotes changing your lifestyle without asking the contestants to leave their every day lives, to prepare their own food, to progress slowly with exercise etc etc

Neeson

S. De Sousa wrote: »

The only thing I'll say in favour of the show is that it is trying to promote a sustainable lifestyle. Take The Biggest Loser for a comparison, from the first week they try to kill the contestants with insane workouts, while keeping them isolated from their families on some ranch with a chef to tailor their diets for them.

This show, in comparison, promotes changing your lifestyle without asking the contestants to leave their every day lives, to prepare their own food, to progress slowly with exercise etc etc

This is true.

coconut5

The size of that child next to the other boy in his class! I did feel sorry for the mother though. Absolutely clueless. I really hope things improve for them.

Handsome Bob

coconut5 wrote: »

The size of that child next to the other boy in his class! I did feel sorry for the mother though. Absolutely clueless. I really hope things improve for them.

The show had some youngster similar last year, but never did a follow up.

deelite

Neeson wrote: »

The mother can chat all she wants. She could have stopped when she seen him growing a pair instead of letting him go. Take the hard line. And why was he not wheeled out and weighed like everyone else?

Felt so sorry for the child. What I don't understand is why his mother stocked crisps and coke etc., in the house. I don't this this child is the only one in the country who has weight issues - it would have been interesting to see his progress on a weekly basis to encourage others in similar positions.

GastroBoy

On the bus yesterday I heard this show being referred to as "Oppo-Transfo",
I died a little inside.....

hardCopy

S. De Sousa wrote: »

The only thing I'll say in favour of the show is that it is trying to promote a sustainable lifestyle. Take The Biggest Loser for a comparison, from the first week they try to kill the contestants with insane workouts, while keeping them isolated from their families on some ranch with a chef to tailor their diets for them.

This show, in comparison, promotes changing your lifestyle without asking the contestants to leave their every day lives, to prepare their own food, to progress slowly with exercise etc etc

It would be a nice idea to have a couple of follow up specials, 3 months, 6 months and then maybe another just before the start of the next season.

Gee_G

deelite wrote: »

Felt so sorry for the child. What I don't understand is why his mother stocked crisps and coke etc., in the house. I don't this this child is the only one in the country who has weight issues - it would have been interesting to see his progress on a weekly basis to encourage others in similar positions.

It was so sad, a child of his age, the poor thing. What got to me was the mother saying "oh well as a mother its very hard to tell your child they can't eat when they are hungry"(or something along the lines of that) but then he went on to list out what she actually gives him to eat on a saturday when he's at home! And he listed out about 6bags of crisps! Its mean of parents!

Anyway, I don't like the two shows a week actually! I was only getting into it last night(I think Charlotte did amazing with her loss! ) but then it was over! I'm Very impatient and don't like waiting for tonights:D

ncmc

Neeson wrote: »

I wonder what happens after the show.

These people will just lose a bit of weight. Maybe starve themselves so they don't have that bint roaring down their throats. When it all ends they'll just starting eating for sh1te again. They dropping off a colossal amount of weight in the space of one week.

Killian Byrne from last years OT ran Dublin City Marathon in October and is currently training for the Limerick Marathon in May, he can be found over on the training forum on Boards! So it goes to show that it can have long term results for some.

Neeson wrote: »

The mother can chat all she wants. She could have stopped when she seen him growing a pair instead of letting him go. Take the hard line. And why was he not wheeled out and weighed like everyone else?

That boys weight was absolutely shocking, I actually gasped when Eva said he was nearly 21 stone. He was about 3 times the size of the boy beside him in school, I can only imagine the teasing he gets and it’s likely to get much worse after the show airing.

Looking at the mother, she was obese herself so it could be down to a lack of education on her part. Weight gain is a creeping thing and some people just put their head in the sand and ignore as they or a loved one get heavier and heavier. That said, the mother is totally enabling the boy. She should have acted years ago before he got to this size. She seems to be a single mother, so maybe she is over indulging him in food to make up for the lack of a father figure. To be honest, I can’t see a long term improvement in this poor boy. He has to lose half his body weight and keep it off and I just didn’t see the determination from either himself or his mother.

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

I really don't get this programme. Watching it for the past two nights, I reckon some of them need to see a therapist or a psychiatrist to deal with the problems they're encountering first.

I'll probably get shot for saying this but losing weight is not rocket science. Eat less and exercise more. They don't need Eva Orsmond shouting down the phone at them and they certainly don't need a camera crew following them around 24/7.

Yes, weight loss is not rocket science, take less calories in than you use up, and I’m sure the people taking the part in the show know this, but for whatever reason, they haven’t been able to follow that simple mantra. Whether it be lack of will power, boredom, lack of education or personal problems that make them eat to fill a void, there are plenty of reasons why people become overweight and don’t do anything about it. I think the point of the show is to thrust these people into the limelight which in turn make us the viewer look at our lifestyles. They are called ‘leaders’ rather than contestants because the point of the show is not just for them to lose weight, but for all following at home to lose weight too.

A perfect case in point is the man that was featured last week, he followed Killian and lost a whopping 10 stone in the last year

gjc

I never watch this programme but happened to flick it over when the boy was on....I was shocked to see how overweight he was....it kept me watching....would watch it if it devoted itself to helping him, otherwise not interested in the others. Some tough love is needed to help him. I hope he can turn himself around. One point Id like to make all the specials in shops tend (not always I realise) but tend to be always rubbish like biscuits and sweets, mammy here needs to evaluate her shopping list. My lot are like every other kid who likes their sweets and junk...I started getting them to cook a meal/dessert for themselves from scratch rather than processed rubbish...perhaps he needs to take some responsibility himself and try and cook one healthy meal a week for himself and his family...rather than mammy doing all the cooking. Listen we re all experts but thats my tw0 pence worth.

rainbowtrout

ncmc wrote: »

That boys weight was absolutely shocking, I actually gasped when Eva said he was nearly 21 stone. He was about 3 times the size of the boy beside him in school, I can only imagine the teasing he gets and it’s likely to get much worse after the show airing.

Looking at the mother, she was obese herself so it could be down to a lack of education on her part. Weight gain is a creeping thing and some people just put their head in the sand and ignore as they or a loved one get heavier and heavier. That said, the mother is totally enabling the boy. She should have acted years ago before he got to this size.

In the home visit though the mother mentioned that the last time the child was weighed was when he was in hosptial 4 years ago ( so assuming he was 8) and he weighed 14 stone.


Aside from the mother not acting to sort this out, didn't anybody in the hospital pull them aside and say an 8 year old should not weigh 14 stone?????

groovyg

I just watched it on player, that poor kid, he's only 12 years old and 20 stone!!! The mother is entirely to blame, stocking the house with rubbish food, she knew he had a problem from a very early stage and didn't do anything about it. It really annoyed me when she said she didn't like to deny him food, all the 'food' he was eating was processed junk.

sillysmiles

groovyg wrote: »

..... The mother is entirely to blame ......

I haven't watched it yet, but was there anyone else in the house? Was it just the child and his mother?

Neeson

sillysmiles wrote: »

I haven't watched it yet, but was there anyone else in the house? Was it just the child and his mother?

Think they said the father died from fatness or something. Not sure though.

Rovi

Neeson wrote: »

Think they said the father died from fatness or something. Not sure though.

Just watched that segment again; there's no mention of the young lad's father (other than by omission, his mother is rearing him by herself), but his mother said that her father developed diabetes "as an old man".

Neeson

Rovi wrote: »

Just watched that segment again; there's no mention of the young lad's father (other than by omission, his mother is rearing him by herself), but his mother said that her father developed diabetes "as an old man".

That was it. Heard father mentioned somewhere.

trishasaffron

Someone earlier said how come one of the participants was only 13 stone! Only 13 stone:eek:

All of the weights are obese. I wish they'd include someone overweight by say 1 stone or 7 lbs. These amounts are just as relevant to overall health but so much more difficult to shift. Having the massive weight losses of 10 lbs or so is much easier but very unhelpful and unrealistic. Yes it makes for more sensational TV but I think most people have gone beyond sensational and are really interested in how to make the long terms adjustments that ensure a healthy weight.