Biggest psychopath in history?

DEFTLEFTHAND

Who in your opinion was the worst human being to ever walk this planet regardless of any innate mental health problems. I was thinking Hitler, what makes it even worse for him was that he wasn't suffering from psychotic tendencies, he was born perfectly normal. Another person I think of is Thug Behram, who was responsible for 931 murders in India in the 19th century, his name is the origin of the word thug in our language.

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DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

I was thinking Hitler, what makes it even worse for him was that he wasn't suffering from psychotic tendencies

When he was a baby, like?

Arawn

Whoever invented the first god. They are dead thousands of years and are still causing deaths

Czarcasm

The fella who invented the internet.

feargalmcc1

The government

Where To

Stalin killed at least ten million of his own people, probably more than double that.

That's pretty good going for a madman I reckon.

FanadMan

Adam.......from his first child, his offspring has killed billions

DEFTLEFTHAND

Jamie Uneven Necktie wrote: »

When he was a baby, like?

A psychopath is born with the problem. Historian's in psycho analysing him found no signs of mental illness in his early development and early adulthood, he developed his crazy views over time. His final mind state was subject to outside influence, a psychopath is born bad. It's an innate feature.

Arawn

FanadMan wrote: »

Adam.......from his first child, his offspring has killed billions

History, as in people who existed. Thousands of years from now do you think people will believe in spiderman?

tommyboy2222

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Who in your opinion was the worst human being to ever walk this planet

Louis Walsh

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Where To wrote: »

Stalin killed at least ten million of his own people, probably more than double that.

That's pretty good going for a madman I reckon.

Some estimates put that figure above 60 million.

Dartz

There're plenty of Popes, Kings and Immams who're known only to historians... A few Chinese emperors maybe.

The only thing Hitler and Stalin had on their sides were notoriety and industry to make for the megadeaths. Pol Pot comes close. Maybe a few African generals.

It's hard to beat Pol Pot for sheer malevolence.

CrackisWhack

Larry Murphy

WumBuster

Difficult to say. Hitler or Stalin never underwent psychological assessments to declare whether they were outright psychopaths or just delusional and misguided, products of their time. Of the two Stalin is the most likely as he reportedly never expressed any emotions.

dodderangler

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Who in your opinion was the worst human being to ever walk this planet regardless of any innate mental health problems. I was thinking Hitler, what makes it even worse for him was that he wasn't suffering from psychotic tendencies, he was born perfectly normal. Another person I think of is Thug Behram, who was responsible for 931 murders in India in the 19th century, his name is the origin of the word thug in our language.

Hitler was not born normal
He grew up basically a midget with a gimp leg
Chap was nuts

Psychopath wise I'd go with likes of Charles Manson
And Jeffrey dalmer
And any Cnut that killed children in my opinion

the_syco

Arawn wrote: »

Whoever invented the first god.

Gods are generally used to explain the unknown.

Sunnyisland

Dr harold shipman

http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=dr%20harold%20shipman&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CDEQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FHarold_Shipman&ei=dZHWUNHuM4mYhQef-IGwBA&usg=AFQjCNGcSHeWw9ksH0odBMyFTMmKm5-wBg&bvm=bv.1355534169,d.ZG4

Sunnyisland

Why am i awake ???

DEFTLEFTHAND

Ted Bundy is another good example of a person born with psychotic tendencies. Jeffery Dahmer like somebody mentioned is another. The one striking feature about Dahmer was that he expressed remorse for his actions and was cleared to stand trial as a sane person, this bucks the trend somewhat. I think in his case there was a sexual aspect to his crimes, he achieved sexual gratification from dismembering bodies.

dr gonzo

Surely an impossible question to answer. Is this question being asked based on figures or methodology or what?

Sunnyisland

Just thinking here, My ex wife was a bit of the trolley :-)

DEFTLEFTHAND

dr gonzo wrote: »

Surely an impossible question to answer. Is this question being asked based on figures or methodology or what?

Yes I put it out there for a discussion. It's purely opinion based, I don't expect us to agree on any one name.

tdv123

Tommy DeSimone.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Salvatore Gravano of the Gambino Mafia Family is another one. Jimmy Coonan the leader of the Irish mob 'The Westies' in Hell's Kitchen Manhattan was another deeply disturbed individual, his captains described his sadism in dept when Jimmy stood trial. Coonan came from a good middle class background but yet found a way to indulge his diseased mind. Gotti Jnr stated in court that the Mafia only took on the Westies because they were afraid of the consequences if they didn't.

Sunnyisland

Is any person who kills/murder people psychopaths ? what about eamon dunne who was alleged to have over 12/13 people murdered here ?

DEFTLEFTHAND

realies wrote: »

Is any person who kills/murder people psychopaths ?

No it's an innate feature in a person. The word is often misused in modern media.

Sunnyisland

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

No it's an innate feature in a person. The word is often misused in modern media.

Explain more there please DEFTLEFTHAND, genuine interested

DEFTLEFTHAND

realies wrote: »

Explain more there please DEFTLEFTHAND, genuine interested

It's a personality disorder characterised by shallow emotions. No empathy, no fear, irresponsibility, egocentricity and lack of remorse. It often leads to anti social behaviour, because they lack such features as empathy or remorse they tend to veer off in the wrong direction in life. It's a recognised mental disorder, the person can't help the way they act. In most cases it's untreatable.

marcsignal

realies wrote: »

Dr harold shipman

the old dear hunter ?

Galwayguy35

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Ted Bundy is another good example of a person born with psychotic tendencies. Jeffery Dahmer like somebody mentioned is another. The one striking feature about Dahmer was that he expressed remorse for his actions and was cleared to stand trial as a sane person, this bucks the trend somewhat. I think in his case there was a sexual aspect to his crimes, he achieved sexual gratification from dismembering bodies.

I watched a programme about Bundy, he was a well educated guy who socialised in well to do circles and was a sadistic killer behind it all.

He admitted to 30 murders I think but it was reckoned he killed well over a hundred girls.

crazygeryy

Dartz wrote: »

It's hard to beat Pol Pot for sheer malevolence.

all he did was win britains got talent, he's hardly a psychopath.

ted bundy

DEFTLEFTHAND

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

I watched a programme about Bundy, he was a well educated guy who socialised in well to do circles and was a sadistic killer behind it all.

He admitted to 30 murders I think but it was reckoned he killed well over a hundred girls.

Superficial charm is another characteristic of psychopath. They're manipulative and often use others. The scary thing is the symptoms aren't always easy to pick up on, we all know assholes in our lives but do we assume that they're psychopaths?

Like you mentioned Ted Bundy, he was popular intelligent and good looking, he didn't have to coerce any girls to go with him, his charm led the way.

Galwayguy35

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Superficial charm is another characteristic of psychopath. They're manipulative and often use others. The scary thing is the symptoms aren't always easy to pick up on, we all know assholes in our lives but do we assume that they're psychopaths?

Like you mentioned Ted Bundy, he was popular intelligent and good looking, he didn't have to coerce any girls to go with him, his charm led the way.

An interesting fact is that during his trial the court was full of "groupies", young women who were nearly fighting each other to get his attention.

They didn't seem to realise that if he met them on a dark night they would be dead.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

An interesting fact is that during his trial the court was full of "groupies", young women who were nearly fighting each other to get his attention.

They didn't seem to realise that if he met them on a dark night they would be dead.

Yeah I remember reading about that. Isn't it strange that some women are attracted to this type of person, is it the bad boy image or what?

Galwayguy35

Another interesting case is the Green River killer, married twice and had a family, he was only caught by pure chance.

magick

Hat McCullen

wicklowwonder

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Yeah I remember reading about that. Isn't it strange that some women are attracted to this type of person, is it the bad boy image or what?

Every country has a lady killer like Bundy. Larry Murphy here is rumored to be responsible for what 6 disappearances and was only caught by pot luck. Didn't he get back into bed with his pregnant wife after spotted by the hunters.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Shams wrote: »

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Markcheese

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

It's a personality disorder characterised by shallow emotions. No empathy, no fear, irresponsibility, egocentricity and lack of remorse. It often leads to anti social behaviour, because they lack such features as empathy or remorse they tend to veer off in the wrong direction in life. It's a recognised mental disorder, the person can't help the way they act. In most cases it's untreatable.

I heard that it's not that a psychopath doesn't know right from wrong it's that they don't care (unless something affects them directly) . A total lack of empathy . Many people in society have a tendency , a lot of business people , risk takers , leaders ect.
Many fake empathy as they believe society demands it and an absence would hinder their advancement... Try Wikipedia

Grayson

Markcheese wrote: »

I heard that it's not that a psychopath doesn't know right from wrong it's that they don't care (unless something affects them directly) . A total lack of empathy . Many people in society have a tendency , a lot of business people , risk takers , leaders ect.
Many fake empathy as they believe society demands it and an absence would hinder their advancement... Try Wikipedia

It's not a total lack of empathy. But you are right about risk takers. There's a book called Risk whick goes into some detail about them.
A good point he mentions is that many of our hero's In times of danger where most of our heart rates may rise, theirs slow down. It beause it's how the view risk and rewards and their lack of fear.

An important thing to remember is that psychopathy is not a personality disorder. It's a personality type. Anti Social Personality disorder is the actual disorder.

Galwayguy35

And it's not just the men that are evil.

Google Elizabeth Bathory, interesting read.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Markcheese wrote: »

I heard that it's not that a psychopath doesn't know right from wrong it's that they don't care (unless something affects them directly) . A total lack of empathy . Many people in society have a tendency , a lot of business people , risk takers , leaders ect.
Many fake empathy as they believe society demands it and an absence would hinder their advancement... Try Wikipedia

Yes but we know that the psychopath learns our moral code. They'll break it because they don't feel the same emotions as you or I. You can compare characteristics to people in the corporate world but only to a point, there's a line that's crossed.

mikemac1

Steve Jobs

Bullying asshole
Abandoned his daughter and didn't give a damn until she was older
Held up as a hero....

suicide_circus

andrei chikatilo
53 confirmed kills, mostly women and children, all sexually aggravated, extremely brutal.
read the wiki. chilling to say the least.

fryup

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

I was thinking Hitler, what makes it even worse for him was that he wasn't suffering from psychotic tendencies.

nah not Hitler, you wouldn't see Hitler playing jungle music at 2.00 am in the morning

so it has to be this fella

krudler

those three guys one hammer kids have got to be up there, 21 people they killed I think.

Grayson

This guy is pretty bad. He personally killed tens of thousands of people. Not just ordered, but actually pulled the trigger.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasili_Blokhin

Blokhin led a company of executioners that performed and supervised numerous mass executions during Stalin's reign, mostly during the Great Purge and World War II. He is recorded as having executed tens of thousands of prisoners by his own hand, including his killing of about 7,000 Polish prisoners of war during the Katyn Massacre in 1940, making him the most prolific official executioner in recorded world history

Sunnyisland

http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=psychopath&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&ved=0CDsQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.arkancide.com%2Fpsychopathy.htm&ei=4cHWUK2bEcKohAeGgoHgBQ&usg=AFQjCNHUplH92HFOJpgdaAUcIGhCfYVnpg&bvm=bv.1355534169,d.ZG4


Here is a Test for Psychopathy, go on see are you one :-) I failed.

Sofiztikated

Grayson wrote: »

This guy is pretty bad. He personally killed tens of thousands of people. Not just ordered, but actually pulled the trigger.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasili_Blokhin

I wouldn't necessarily class him as a psychopath though.

iDave

How about Nero. Burnt Christians alive to light his garden

ringadingding

Hannibal lector.

My favorite psychopath