Views of Pornography?

Eve_Dublin

aidan24326 wrote: »

Where was anyone boasting? Boasting about what exactly?

Watching porn isn't anything to boast about, neither is it anything to be ashamed of. If you don't like it don't watch it.

This notion that it's the cause of myriad societal ills holds no water. It's bullsh1t. It's telling that reliogous believers are the ones arguing against it. You know what? We get it. Priests aren't allowed to have sex so by holy Jesus let no-one else be enjoying it either. Take your repressive attitude and return to whatever cave you crawled out of.

Was that post directed at me?

aidan24326

Eve_Dublin wrote: »

Was that post directed at me?

No, not at you directly. Sorry if it sounded like it was.

Daveysil15

Madam_X wrote: »

There's nothing wrong with speculating that exposure to hardcore porn, with its very misogynistic overtones

I don't think its as misogynistic as a lot of people claim. If a man likes to spank his girlfriend on the bottom or cum on her face, does that make him a misogynist? He may have gotten the idea from porn, but if the girl is happy to go along with it, then there's no problem.

Eramen

I'll try to simplify the argument:

1) Stimulant intake, whatever it may be, must be strictly controlled in order to preserve health and prevent disease (obvious) - every medical professional agrees on this, I never observed one that didn't.

2) Porn is a stimulant - due to its effects on the brain. All stimulants can cause addiction. It is a stimulant that a sizable percentage of people cannot control to their own detriment, just as with other stimulant just like fast food or gambling. This in turn has had an impact on society as all compulsive behaviors do, because these addicts are part of that society.

3) Even more research needs to be enacted if we are know the true scale of the problem, but early indications are that it's a significant problem. For example, a recent study was conducted on selected university campuses in the US to observe porn's effects on relationships. They couldn't find any men that didn't watch porn regularly. They subsequently found out that they many of these men felt that they 'needed' porn in their lives. It's a readily occurring trend in all early research on the stimulant. As I said, we need to delve in further.

4) We need a solution - whether by education, industry regulation, public awareness through popular media and so on. People need a further education on the health and social effects of over-stimulation and addiction via porn, just as they have had on the effects of high calorie food, like fast food, caffeine, smoking, which are all stimulants as well.

Nobody here seems capable of understanding this. To say that it has no effects on addicts/society, good or ill - is blind stupidity.

The above is a perfectly neutral approach, taking no sides and only stating the obvious. It seems to me that this discussion has become about personal biases, while facts are tossed aside.

dazzler454

Recent studys show that men between the ages of 23 - 37 are 10 times more likely to be sexually dependent, whether it be self pleasure or peer to peer. Almost 67% of these males then end up experimenting with their sexuality from the age of 40 onwards. Some interesting facts i have to say,wondering what your take on them is? Personally I'm shocked

orestes

Eramen wrote: »

I'll try to simplify the argument:

1) Stimulant intake, whatever it may be, must be strictly controlled in order to preserve health and prevent disease (obvious) - every medical professional agrees on this, I never observed one that didn't.

2) Porn is a stimulant - due to it's effects on the brain. All stimulants can cause addiction. It is a stimulant that a sizable percentage of people cannot control to their own detriment, just as with other stimulant just like fast food or gambling. This in turn has had an impact on society as all compulsive behaviors do, because these addicts are part of that society.

3) Even more research needs to be enacted if we are know the true scale of the problem, but early indications are that it's a significant problem. For a example, a recent study was conducted on selected university campuses in the US to observe porn's effects on relationships. They couldn't find any men that didn't watch porn regularly. They subsequently found out that they many of these 'needed' porn in their lives. It's a readily occurring trend in all early research on the stimulant. AS I said, we need to delve in further.

4) We need a solution - whether by education, industry regulation, public awareness through popular media and so on. People need a further education on the health and social effects of over-stimulation and addiction via porn, just as they have had on the effects of high calorie food, like fast food, caffeine, smoking, which are all stimulants as well.

Nobody here seems capable of understanding this. To say that it has no effects on society, good or ill - is blind stupidity.

The above is a perfectly neutral approach, taking no sides and only stating the obvious. It seems to me that this discussion has become about personal biases, while facts are tossed aside.

No, it's nonsense that contains no grounding in fact. None. At all.

dazzler454

orestes wrote: »

No, it's nonsense that contains no grounding in fact. None. At all.

I would have to agree, these statements are of a non-factual basis and are completely opinionated. What you actually are doing is making a relitively simple habit a complex, intricate problem which it is quite clearly not. Over analysis of such acts is foolish

mikom

Eramen wrote: »

The above is a perfectly neutral approach, taking no sides and only stating the obvious. It seems to me that this discussion has become about personal biases, while facts are tossed aside.

You presented no facts to "toss" aside.

Colour is a stimulant.
See, I can do it too.

Eramen

mikom wrote: »

You presented no facts to "toss" aside.

Colour is a stimulant.
See, I can do it too.

It's not addictive.

GalwayGuy2

Originally Posted by Eve_Dublin
Whatever about porn (I watch some of it...not the hardcore stuff) but those who think watching it makes them more sexually liberated or open-minded with regards to sex are deluding themselves and people who boast about watching it come across as fairly sad cases.

Who'd boast about staying home at night watching porn?:S

Just to ask a quick question. Through the grapevine I always thought "hardcore" was just showing genitalia?

mikom

Eramen wrote: »

It's not addictive.

But you said porn is addictive.
How can I distinguish apart pixels if they are not coloured?

dazzler454

GalwayGuy2 wrote: »

Who'd boast about staying home at night watching porn?:S

Just to ask a quick question. Through the grapevine I always thought "hardcore" was just showing genitalia?

N, in fact wikepadia define 'hardcore' as the explicit and perverse concentration on genetilia involved in,oftentimes, outlandish and aggressive forms of intercourse'

Latchy

aidan24326 wrote: »

Priests aren't allowed to have sex so by holy Jesus let no-one else be enjoying it either.

Which may come down to cognitive dissonance ie , discrepancy between beliefs and behaviors.

People who enjoy sex don't gave a flying fcuk about what some priest thinks anyway .

philologos

dazzler454 wrote: »

I would have to agree, these statements are of a non-factual basis and are completely opinionated. What you actually are doing is making a relitively simple habit a complex, intricate problem which it is quite clearly not. Over analysis of such acts is foolish

It's a reasonable question to ask considering how pervasive pornography has become as to what impact it has on us and on our sexuality.

While I think the above is fascinating, thinking of the ethical issues that pornography raises is probably more interesting. Most of the ones I've raised have been ignored or fobbed off so far. URL="http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=82264021&postcount=49"]1[/URL URL="http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=82276366&postcount=189"]2[/URL

It's entirely common sense to think of what impact that pornography has on how we think about other human beings. It's also entirely common sense to think about what ethical impact pornography has both on us and on those around us. Moreover, it is important to think about the ethics behind the industry itself considering human trafficking and sexual abuse. Are pornography users complicit in this?

Birroc

Eramen wrote: »

It's not addictive.

I am addicted to fcukin tea, I cant get enough of it!
It makes me do crazy sh!t like eat fig rolls.

Eve_Dublin

GalwayGuy2 wrote: »

Who'd boast about staying home at night watching porn?:S

Just to ask a quick question. Through the grapevine I always thought "hardcore" was just showing genitalia?

People (not necessarily people on this thread) on this forum. To be honest, whatever about the boasting but equating porn to sexual liberation....that gets on my goat more.

Eve_Dublin

Eve_Dublin wrote: »

People (not necessarily people on this thread) on this forum. To be honest, whatever about the boasting but equating porn to sexual liberation....that gets on my goat more.

I know people who'll say it jokingly or self-effacingly. Reading 50 Shades of Grey on the other hand is something to tell everyone you're friends with on Facebook about.

Latchy

Eve_Dublin wrote: »

People (not necessarily people on this thread) on this forum. To be honest, whatever about the boasting but equating porn to sexual liberation....that gets on my goat more.

My view of porn is something that can be a useful ( no pun intended ) tool in the enjoyment of sex with a view to with a experimentation with partner ... or solo but would never equate it with sexual liberation . It's sometimes more realistic ( and fun) to fantasies about a sexual situation with the check out girl at Asda as to imagine oneself with some Bimbo acting out a part on xxx.com.Just as you have sex addicts you also have some addicted to pornography .

Eramen

orestes wrote: »

No, it's nonsense that contains no grounding in fact. None. At all.

If you don't accept that chronic or excessive use of porn leads to Dopamine release which then leads to Delta-FosB buildups in the brain, causing the user to have cravings for more of whatever stimulant they use (including porn), then you're making things up as you go along.

This is the very basis of addiction, not just porn but all forms of addiction. Do you not even believe that someone can be addicted to sugary foods, alcohol or cigarettes also? It really highlights yours bias in regards to porn.

Addiction exists, and this is exactly the way it exists. Porn addiction, just as sex addiction or any other, is quite real.

Birroc

Eramen wrote: »

Do you not even believe that someone can be addicted to surgery foods, alcohol or cigarettes also?

I do not Sir. Even though I know someone that ate a placenta once...just the once mind...

1ZRed

philologos wrote: »

It's a reasonable question to ask considering how pervasive pornography has become as to what impact it has on us and on our sexuality.

While I think the above is fascinating, thinking of the ethical issues that pornography raises is probably more interesting. Most of the ones I've raised have been ignored or fobbed off so far. URL="http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=82264021&postcount=49"]1[/URL URL="http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=82276366&postcount=189"]2[/URL

It's entirely common sense to think of what impact that pornography has on how we think about other human beings. It's also entirely common sense to think about what ethical impact pornography has both on us and on those around us.

Nobody is giving your posts any time because they are nonsense viewpoints from you who is passing off *your* own views of how "enslaving" and detrimental porn is to sexuality as a whole and making it out to be a fact that applies to EVERYONE. That's not actually the case.

Moreover, it is important to think about the ethics behind the industry itself considering human trafficking and sexual abuse. Are pornography users complicit in this?

Again, please give me the evidence to back this up that as a whole, pornography promotes human trafficking and sexual abuse.

You keep playing out that those who make a career in the porn industry to be victims. That is your view of it and just shows up how *you* feel about it, you're not speaking for the majority here like you might thing.

I also happened to have met a male pornstar and he enjoyed what he did and it was something exciting for him to do. He wasn't a victim of anything and it was entirely of his own choice to enter the porn industry. It was only a part time thing and a laugh, he has no regrets, embarrassment or qualms about it, and fair play to him not to care, I certainly wouldn't treat him differently or victimise/criticise or judge him or what he has done.

It's people like you that continuously tar the porn industry as sleazy, negative and abusive without having *any* real insight into it, and whatever one you have, it is heavily biased with strong opinions presented as fact and clutching straws to give your argument some credence.


I can't speak for everyone but that is why I didn't care to engage in an in-depth discussion with you.

Eramen

Birroc wrote: »

I do not Sir. Even though I know someone that ate a placenta once...just the once mind...

:eek::D

Eve_Dublin

Latchy wrote: »

My view of porn is something that can be a useful ( no pun intended ) tool in the enjoyment of sex with a view to with a experimentation with partner ... or solo but would never equate it with sexual liberation . It's sometimes more realistic ( and fun) to fantasies about a sexual situation with the check out girl at Asda as to imagine oneself with some Bimbo acting out a part on xxx.com.

To be honest and this is not an anti-porn rant as such but I used to have a deadly imagination for all things dirty. I didn't have access to porn but my imagination always did the trick. I could conjure up scenarios in my mind with little effort. Now I do have access. If I want a twiddle, I tend to stick something on. It's made me quite lazy with regards to exploring what I as an individual find sexy. Basically porn has done the hard work for me (that I actually enjoyed anyway and didn't need to be replaced) and I've become a passive consumer. I don't look at it regularly as I live with a man (wink) but even still, I find my imagination on this front has become less active. I don't find playing out a scene in my mind as fun as what I used to think up myself.

I can't imagine what it's like for someone who uses it regularly.

Latchy

Eve_Dublin wrote: »

To be honest and this is not an anti-porn rant as such but I used to have a deadly imagination for all things dirty. I didn't have access to porn but my imagination always did the trick. I could conjure up scenarios in my mind with little effort. Now I do have access. If I want a twiddle, I tend to stick something on. It's made me quite lazy with regards to exploring what I as an individual find sexy. Basically porn has done the hard work for me (that I actually enjoyed anyway and didn't need to be replaced) and I've become a passive consumer. I don't look at it regularly as I live with a man (wink) but even still, I find my imagination on this front has become less active. I don't find playing out a scene in my mind as fun as what I used to think up myself.

I can't imagine what it's like for someone who uses it regularly.

For sure ...exploring sexual scenarios with ones own imagination is very erotic and natural thought procession can lead to great satisfactions . Continuous viewing of Porn as a substitute can take that away simply as you say because it's instant , it's there and it's to easy ...so much can be less .

Eramen

1ZRed wrote: »

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It's people like you that continuously tar the porn industry as sleazy, negative and abusive without having *any* real insight into it..

You have absolutely no idea of what you're talking about.. that much is clear.

Ex pornstar Shelley Lubben Testifies at California State Capitol. That's some serious sh*t

orestes

Eramen wrote: »

If you don't accept that chronic or excessive use of porn leads to Dopamine release which then leads to Delta-FosB buildups in the brain, causing the user to have cravings for more of whatever stimulant they use (including porn), then you're making things up as you go along.

This is the very basis of addiction, not just porn but all forms of addiction. Do you not even believe that someone can be addicted to sugary foods, alcohol or cigarettes also? It really highlights yours bias in regards to porn.

Addiction exists, and this is exactly the way it exists. Porn addiction, just as sex addiction or any other, is quite real.

Yes, porn addiction exists. Extrapolating that simple fact to the frankly insane conclusions being passed off here as scientific conclusions is bullshit though.

Eramen

Eramen wrote: »

You have absolutely NO IDEA of what you're talking about.. that much is clear.

Like her, I don't want 4 cocks in me at a time or to lick a fella's arse so you know what I do? Not sign up to do it.

Eramen

Deleted User wrote: »

Like her, I don't want 4 cocks in me at a time or to lick a fella's arse so you know what I do? Not sign up to do it.

Wtf are you on about?

Where is excuse making going to get us in all honesty?

dazzler454

Personally I think this thread has gone far to deep into such a shallow subject. As I have previously said , over analysis of subjects of this kind is a waste of time. Whatever about hormones and pituitary glands, Pornography is what it is an the fact that there is such a heated debate going on about the science an physcology about it all gives me a fine insight into the people in this thread

orestes

dazzler454 wrote: »

Personally I think this thread has gone far to deep into such a shallow subject. As I have previously said , over analysis of subjects of this kind is a waste of time. Whatever about hormones and pituitary glands, Pornography is what it is an the fact that there is such a heated debate going on about the science an physcology about it all gives me a fine insight into the people in this thread

Yeah, psychology, sociology and moral philosophy, who needs 'em? Sure what have the social sciences ever done for anybody? Why bother analysing stuff when we can just get our opinions from The Sun?

Thank you for clearing up a few thousand years of speculative and scientific progress so concisely.