Views of Pornography?

Eramen

Brain Stroking wrote: »

Lord for someone with their finger on the pulse of sexual mores and tastes, you've dropped the ball there. Big time.

As a man who has been circumcised (during his adult years) and has also helped African girls/families who were/are victims of the horrific thing that is FGM, you high-follutin big words have suddenly lost their pious sheen

If not done for medical reasons, both are a mutilation, because it is carried out for no good reason.

In in your response it can be seen that you are conditioned to see one as worse than the other. It's illogical and brought on by the media. Both are equally bad if there is no reason to do it.

RossFixxxed

I have no moral high ground at all, nor could I care less about that. I'm addressing your points, that is all. STOP DIVERTING AWAY FROM YOUR NONSENCE POSTS THAT YOU CAN'T ADDRESS: EXPECIALLY THE CIRCUMCISION. I'm interested in points of view, but you have constantly demonstrated you have NO idea what you are talking about. I'm just pointing out the rubbish you are writing, as is everyone else.

We'd discuss it with you if you were making intelligent points not wild statements you can't back up.

Female and male circumcision are VERY different things. You are spouting absolute rubbish.


Blaming 'Irish people on AH' is like saying: "Everyone else is crazy except me."

You need to look at yourself and your reasons for this. I'm not entirely pro porn, I'm not 100% where I stand on the whole thing, but you have shot your arguments in the foot. Then come back to take the leg and lower torso off.

What about the many women who enjoy porn?

Anyway off home now, so I'll wander off from my 'high ground' for now.

Duggy747

Eramen wrote: »

No, I'm challenging your assumptions, did you even read any of the scientific data I presented to you?

Pfft, challenging assumptions! Writing nonsensical points, using bizarre, unfounded, brush tarring comparisons and saying "scientific data" over & over again doesn't make you right or support whatever garbage you seem to have convinced yourself what other's problems are.

Or make you even coherent, you sound like a doomsday warrior.

Corkfeen

Eramen wrote: »

No, it's one facet that's leading to to degradation of men. You have eyes? Men are treated like shíte by the establishment now. The media, govt, think-tanks and universities. We are expendable. Female circumcision = bad, male circumcision= good wtf?! The suicide rate of men and Irish men is one of the highest in the world, the media stays silent.. Men are to blame for all bad things, all of the time, especially for oppressing 'everything'. Men are constantly overruled and punished in the family courts with no motive other then their sex, get no say on abortion or non-abortion of the child, must constantly apologise for 'past guilt' because apparently we inherited something to apologise for in a collective way. Screw this.

You're asking me to be delusional and say it's all okay, well it's not. Stop pandering on about the church like an infant, like anyone even is talking about it. Man up dammit! We have brains for a reason.

Men aren't downtrodden, t'is absolute bull****. You're plucking information out of the air and somehow assuming that you can relate it back to masturbation or porn which it doesn't..... While there are inequalities because of sex(not the act, you're really obsessed with that), they exist on both sides but the inequalities generally get directed at women with some exceptions that go against men. It's shíte but porn isn't the causative factor.

I don't think you need help in terms of voicing delusional opinions.

Eramen wrote: »

I expected you to all be porn addicted **** tbh. It's not the point however.

I'm speaking about the regeneration of men and culture, and ending habitual, addictive PornMasturbationOrgasm as a method of self-control, to enable you to become the architect of your own life. Nothing more, nothing less.

**** will not understand, unless they challenge themselves to give it up for a period. I am simply challenging your assumptions.

You sound like the most boring pyramid scheme ever. :rolleyes:

1ZRed

Wow, this is like listening to Phililogos talk about justifying random and everyday 'sins' found in the bible, except it's porn addiction...

Actually there doesn't seem to be a difference because it all sounds like trying to force the catholic guilt on everyone again for no apparent reason, at least not a very solid reason.

thebigbiffo

Eramen wrote: »

If not done for medical reasons, both are a mutilation, because it is carried out for no good reason.

In in your response it can be seen that you are conditioned to see one as worse than the other. It's illogical and brought on by the media. Both are equally bad if there is no reason to do it.

wow, you've reached a whole new level of stupid there buddy.

Eramen

1ZRed wrote: »

Wow, this is like listening to Phililogos talk about justifying random and everyday 'sins' found in the bible, except it's porn addiction...

Actually there doesn't seem to be a difference because it all sounds like trying to force the catholic guilt on everyone again for no apparent reason, at least not a very solid reason.

Here is it again, the 'rebel without a cause catholic church's fault for everything complex'. Some people just can't away from it. This has nothing to do with that.

Brain Stroking

Eramen wrote: »

If not done for medical reasons, both are a mutilation, because it is carried out for no good reason.

In in your response it can be seen that you are conditioned to see one as worse than the other. It's illogical and brought on by the media. Both are equally bad if there is no reason to do it.

In my response you can see i have been conditioned? Christ. No, my response clearly says how i developed that view ie based on first hand experience of both male and female circumcision. I'm a primary source for my own material. Now, what experience do you have and where did you get your info on this to make such statements? Given that you are arrogant enough to assume i am conditioned by the media, i simply cannot wait for your watertight sources on your above conspiracy.

Scanlas The 2nd

Eramen wrote: »

Here is it again, the 'rebel without a cause catholic church's fault for everything complex'. Some people just can't away from it. This has nothing to do with that.

What negative effects do you believe are caused by masturbation?

thebigbiffo

Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »

What negative effects do you believe are caused by masturbation?

I find that I've a reduced sex drive next time I go for my hourly ****.

But that's just me, I'm aware other people vary.

GalwayGuy2

Originally Posted by Eramen
Female circumcision = bad, male circumcision= good wtf?!

Hi, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but this is what I think is male and female circumcision. Male is removing the foreskin, exposing the glands permanently and this can lead to a decrease in sensitivity, or an increase. You can still feel pleasure, as the nerves are still there, and there are still many, eh, pleasure points along the penis. It can be done for medical as the foreskin can get tight, scarred, and can even constrict blood flow (could be wrong).
Female on the other hand is the removal of the clitoris and labia, and sorry if this is insensitive, but I don't know all that's removed. You cannot feel pleasure as all the pleasure points are removed. It is not done for medical, but, depending on the culture, to make the woman more faithful, or pure, as she will not cheat, or be sullied by sexual desire or joy. There are also cultural forces that constrict her choice, such as marriage availability, or being disowned by the family or society in general.

1ZRed

Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »

What negative effects do you believe are caused by masturbation?

There are ZERO negative effects of masturbation, in fact there are negatives from going without like getting blue balls. We are designed to get off, be it by sex or masturabation. To deny it is the thing that is unnatural.

Brain Stroking

Anyone who believes they "are challenging assumptions" usually isn't/doesn't.

Somebody needs to tell him that a good troll is more like an onion than an apple ie there needs to be some layers. He was putting up the "porn is bad" argument and then shot himself in the face with the old circumcision chestnut. Another man lost.....

Adyx

Eramen wrote: »

Does your ideology demand that I look at all groups equally? All groups are worthy of our attention, yet studies have shown that all groups are not equal in this case. Young men are suffering that most from this particular addiction. Also, I happen to be a young man who is concerned about my peers, so therefore of course I'd give extra attention to those who suffer and concern me the most.

Your view is based on assumptions. You want to talk about 'the dangers of religion' and a fake equality when I am referring to evidence collected in a more empirical way. I'm talking about the problem in a rational way so you want to bring up nonsense.

Please enlighten me as to what ideology I hold, what assumptions I have made, where I mentioned "the dangers of religion" (your quotation marks btw) and what nonsense I have brought up. I simply asked a question on why you had singled out one group of people in your posts. All you had to do was post the answer you gave above instead of getting on the defensive and making assumption about my views and perceived ideologies.

Eramen

Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »

What negative effects do you believe are caused by masturbation?

In a nutshell, all animals have reproduction time-cycles (the optimum intervals for sexual activity in regards to positive overall health), and humans are no exception.

After sex where ejaculation occurs there starts a recuperation period for both male and female in which the bio-chemical make-up of each sex reaches pre-copulation and normative levels which is required for the healthy functioning of all organisms, be it metabolism, brain functionality etc.

In rats this reproductive time cycle was observed to be 2-3 weeks. Now rats do copulate more frequently if they have several mates, but the longer they stay with the same mate the less they are prone to sexual activity, and thus fall back into natural sexual routines. If new mates are introduced the rat will go crazy in a frenzy of sexual activity. This known as the Coolidge effect - the automatic response to novel mates.

Porn is highly similar to this in that it produces novel mates in digital form for consumption by the user. The Coolidge effect becomes noticeable after new 'novel mates' pop up one after the other and compels the user to sexual activity. You see, evolution has prepared our brains in this manner to preserve the species via our genetic material. New mates equals more chances of survivability. The thing is, porn has turned this on its head. It becomes a question of sexing by habit, not by need or reproductive time cycles.


The problem is that when testosterone in releases with great frequency it upsets the chemical-hormonal balance of the body, a balance that is required for immune, mental and physical health in an optimum way. Often it manifests by way of fatigue, irritability, erectile dysfunction (now proven), sexual dysfunctions, stress, and depression.

We all know that low testosterone levels are a major contributing factor to disorders and disease, its just that now we know that it may actually be more threatening then we first anticipated.

On the addiction side, the dopamine released by constant sexual stimulation wrecks havoc with the brain receptors of the inner cortex, and normal pleasurable experiences become dull. This leads on to social/mental health problems as the addiction takes it toll as users seek greater highs and spend more time with the addiction. He/she literately doesn't know when to stop, even at the expense of his/her own health. This is why I say Evolution has not prepared our brain for porn and were all my arguments arise.

These are just some of the concerns I have. I first took on the No Fap challenge (90 days no Porn/Masturbation) out of interest, and the results were surprising to me. I actually function far better than I ever have, I feel like my body is at optimal levels and really feel younger physically speaking, better stability of mind, higher concentration & productivity and much better socially, with women and men in general (I was never bad with women before either) . I don't know the exact reason but bio-chemical properties reaching normal levels which regular masturbation/porn depleted certainly have a part to play.

Lastly, thank you for your post. It was the most intelligent response made to me here all day, a simple "Why do you believe in X?". It is a concise, logical question. I wish I was asked sooner so I could nail down the real questions people might have had sooner, and the discussion would have progressed. But people have their ideology.

Maybe now others will be willing to look into all this, it's not some kind of conspiracy et al, there is solid reasoning. Check out the links in my sig for more info, and also, don't hesitate to try out the challenge, it's an experience!

orestes

Eramen wrote: »

Porn/masturbation/orgasm addiction is not natural however, which seems to be the subject of the argument.

Are you addicgted to porn/maturbation/orgasm? If so, what treatment have you recieved for your addiction??

Eramen wrote: »

Eh.. I presented scientific information to back my views. Irish people believe neither science, evidence, religion, ethical philosophy.

I like science, believe conclusive evidence, and have an honours degree in philosophy majoring in the morality of sexuality from an NUI university that also happens to be a jesuit monastary (Milltosn institute of philosophy and theology). Where would you like us to begin?

Eramen wrote: »

Irish men will amount to nothing as usual. Irish women should find a decent Polish man, as they still retain masculine traits due to not being infected with an effeminate inferiority complex and abject laziness.

Only Irish men are at risk of addiction to porn/maturbation/orgasm then?

Eramen wrote: »

A real shame! I've come here and presented level-headed arguments yet you've proved incapable of debate or of being able to digest the material presented. You disagree with me, so call me "youth defense". It's retarded and lazy, just like your attitude to sex, enough said.

So anyone who disagrees with you or your attitude to sex is retarded and lazy? If A=B then B=A.

Eramen wrote: »

I myself was never highly addicted, but I was a regular user. I beat it on my first try purely because I wanted to exercise more self-control over myself and my life, and to use my time better. I also felt that porn was a delusion, a fantasy that was not beneficial to myself or others.

Anybody who can say they were never really highly addicted is not an addict and has no understanding of addiction.

Eramen wrote: »

However the other benefits I did not expect are numerous and valuable. |This is exactly why I even bothered to comment on this thread and changed my sig to NoFap lol. If you think you have what is takes, take the challenge so can experience it for yourself. Even if just for fun, but on a serious level.

You won't know what porn/masturbation is to you and in general until you quit for a specific amount of time. If porn isn't a big deal, then all the more reason to join us on No Fap for support and camaraderie.

Good for you, I'm glad it brings you happiness in life, and I don't disagree with you wanting to spread the word of something you find fulfilling.

However, passing it off as fighting addiction is mis-informative and using it as a moral rallying point is disingenuous.

Eramen wrote: »

New ideas (with a pinch of honesty) are confusing, I get it Onward!

No, ideas that are convoluted and misleading are confusing.

Eramen wrote: »

You still didn't read the latest science behind it?

Nope, I didn't read any of them since scientific study cannot assist in the recovery from addiction.

Eramen wrote: »

I expected you to all be porn addicted **** tbh. It's not the point however.

I'm speaking about the regeneration of men and culture, and ending habitual, addictive PornMasturbationOrgasm as a method of self-control, to enable you to become the architect of your own life. Nothing more, nothing less.

**** will not understand, unless they challenge themselves to give it up for a period. I am simply challenging your assumptions.

Nietzsche-themed cultural regeneration dogma mixed with christian anti-sexuality dogma. I can see why people are finding your points confusing, because it seems you find them confusing too.

Eramen wrote: »

No, I'm challenging your assumptions, did you even read any of the scientific data I presented to you?

Again, no I didn't. What does science have to do with cultural and moral regeneration anyway?

You don't like porn/masturbation/orgasm. Fine, that's no problem with anyone here as far as I can see.

You believe that abstaining from porn/masturbation/orgasm has made your life better. Fine, that's no problem either.

You believe that since you don't like these things, and abstaining from them made your life better and you happier, that everyone should abstain from them, that they are bad for every member of society and society as a whole, that anybody who refuses to abstain is an addict and that everyone who disagrees with you is ignorant. That's where the problem comes into it.

Brain Stroking

GalwayGuy2 wrote: »

Hi, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but this is what I think is male and female circumcision. Male is removing the foreskin, exposing the glands permanently and this can lead to a decrease in sensitivity, or an increase. You can still feel pleasure, as the nerves are still there, and there are still many, eh, pleasure points along the penis. It can be done for medical as the foreskin can get tight, scarred, and can even constrict blood flow (could be wrong).
Female on the other hand is the removal of the clitoris and labia, and sorry if this is insensitive, but I don't know all that's removed. You cannot feel pleasure as all the pleasure points are removed. It is not done for medical, but, depending on the culture, to make the woman more faithful, or pure, as she will not cheat, or be sullied by sexual desire or joy. There are also cultural forces that constrict her choice, such as marriage availability, or being disowned by the family or society in general.

Your thoughts on male circumcision are correct. I had to get it done when i was 18 as the foreskin was too tight. I only noticed it once i got a girlfriend and started having regular sex. Long story short, one of the best things i ever did. If anyone has a tight foreskin, get rid is my advice. A couple of weeks of discomfort and that was that. In fact, i played a football match cup-less two weeks after being circumcised.

Female circumcision is another method to keep women downtrodden in certain cultures. The clitoris gives women pleasure which cannot be allowed so they have to have them removed when young. These removals are carried out mostly by backstreet doctors and one can imagine what getting your clitoris removed on a backstreet in Addis Abbaba against your will would be like.
A lot of women flee with their daughters who will be killed if they do not follow the practice and they claim asylum in Ireland. It is absolutely shocking. I have seen the pictures and you see rivers of blood flowing out from underneath a motionless little kid. Disgusting.

Brain Stroking

Eramen wrote: »

In a nutshell, all animals have reproduction time-cycles (the optimum intervals for sexual activity in regards to positive overall health), and humans are no exception.

After sex where ejaculation occurs there starts a recuperation period for both male and female in which the bio-chemical make-up of each sex reaches pre-copulation and normative levels which is required for the healthy functioning of all organisms, be it metabolism, brain functionality etc.

In rats this reproductive time cycle was observed to be 2-3 weeks. Now rats do copulate more frequently if they have several mates, but the longer they stay with the same mate the less they are prone to sexual activity, and thus fall back into natural sexual routines. If new mates are introduced the rat will go crazy in a frenzy of sexual activity. This known as the Coolidge effect - the automatic response to novel mates.

Porn is highly similar to this in that it produces novel mates in digital form for consumption by the user. The Coolidge effect becomes noticeable after new 'novel mates' pop up one after the other and compels the user to sexual activity. You see, evolution has prepared our brains in this manner to preserve the species via our genetic material. New mates equals more chances of survivability. The thing is, porn has turned this on its head. It becomes a question of sexing by habit, not by need or reproductive time cycles.


The problem is that when testosterone in releases with great frequency it upsets the chemical-hormonal balance of the body, a balance that is required for immune, mental and physical health in an optimum way. Often it manifests by way of fatigue, irritability, erectile dysfunction (now proven), sexual dysfunctions, stress, and depression.

We all know that low testosterone levels are a major contributing factor to disorders and disease, its just that now we know that it may actually be more threatening then we first anticipated.

On the addiction side, the dopamine released by constant sexual stimulation wrecks havoc with the brain receptors of the inner cortex, and normal pleasurable experiences become dulls. This leads on to social/mental health problems as the addiction takes it toll as user seek greater highs and spend more time with the addiction. He/she literately doesn't know when to stop, even at the expense of his/her own health. This is why I say Evolution has not prepared our brain for porn and were all my arguments arise.

These are just some of the concerns I have. I first took on the No Fap challenge (90 days no Porn/Masturbation) out of interest, and the results were surprising to me. I actually function far better than I ever have, I feel like my body is at optimal levels and really feel younger physically speaking, better stability of mind, higher concentration & productivity and much better socially, with women and men in general (I was never bad with women before either) . I don't know the exact reason but bio-chemical properties reaching normal levels which regular masturbation/porn depleted certainly have a part to play.

Lastly, thank you for your post. It was the most intelligent response made to me here all day, a simple "Why do you believe in X?". It is a concise, logical question. I wish I was asked sooner so I could nail down the real questions people might have had sooner, and the discussion would have progressed. But people have their ideology.

Maybe now others will be willing to look into all this, it's not some kind of conspiracy et al, there is solid reasoning. Check out the links in my sig for more info, and also, don't hesitate to try out the challenge, it's an experience!

So after all the arrogance, bluster, faux-pas and wagon-circling, your whole idea is that giving up masturbation can have positive benefits? Why the need to be so longwinded and judgmental?

GLaDOS

**** can possibly help decrease your risk of prostate cancer

http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=198487

However, high ejaculation frequency was related to decreased risk of total prostate cancer.

Eramen

Brain Stroking wrote: »

So after all the arrogance, bluster, faux-pas and wagon-circling, your whole idea is that giving up masturbation can have positive benefits? Why the need to be so longwinded and judgmental?

I guess I expected you all to go read a lot of this in the links I provided you, if you were that interested (you all took the time to berate me etc).

People did come on here in attack mode, not liking the very thought of what I was saying, that porn could possibly be a negative without realizing it, especially in relation to addiction, calling me youth defense in deliberate provocation.

There is a real side to this argument, and I personally wouldn't go back to PMO for the world. Anyhow I just wanted to show you a new side to the issue, one I hope that can be discussed properly!

awec

Eramen wrote: »

I guess I expected you all to go read a lot of this in the links I provided you, if you were that interested (you all took the time to berate me etc).

People did come on here in attack mode, not liking the very thought of what I was saying, that porn could possibly be a negative without realizing it, especially in relation to addiction, calling me youth defense in deliberate provocation.

There is a real side to this argument, and I personally wouldn't go back to PMO for the world. Anyhow I just wanted to show you a new side to the issue, one I hope that can be discussed properly!

Actually I think the thing most people had an issue with was your sanctimonious, holier-than-thou tone. As if you were enlightening all of us with your radical and intelligent ideas.

When you come on here with that sort of tone then your views are going to be put under much more scrutiny

Brain Stroking

Eramen wrote: »

I guess I expected you all to go read a lot of this in the links I provided you, if you were that interested (you all took the time to berate me etc).

People did come on here in attack mode, not liking the very thought of what I was saying, that porn could possibly be a negative without realizing it, calling me youth defense in deliberate provocation.

There is a real side to this argument, and I personally wouldn't go back to PMO for the world. Anyhow I just wanted to show you a new side to the issue, one I hope that can be discussed properly!

I appreciate that too much of anything can be a bad thing. I am asking why you felt the need to make a lot of assumptions about people, including me, with zero basis for it?

You call this an argument. It was presented more like a superior being reading from a tablet. Imagine how disappointed everyone was when it turned out that the superior being was reading what was literally a pile of ****?

Present yourself in a less arrogant, presumptuous and superior manner and i guarantee people will at least attempt to wade through your meanderings.

Eramen

ScienceNerd wrote: »

**** can possibly help decrease your risk of prostate cancer

http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=198487

I read that as well, there is certainly arguments for and against. However Porn/Masturbation addiction is a lot different I'm sure you would agree!

It's not about **** asuch, but about the sexing time-cycle and putting it in a healthy order. Too much is bad, none is also bad.

I could hardly be telling the lads here not to ever have sex with their gf/wives ever again. They'd be killed What I am saying is that masturbation "origin: self-abuse" does not befit them in an ethical sense. Also that sex and masturbation may thrown their own hormonal-chemical makeup out of sync and lead to negative disorders of body and mind.

orestes

Eramen wrote: »

I guess I expected you all to go read a lot of this in the links I provided you, if you were that interested (you all took the time to berate me etc).

People did come on here in attack mode, not liking the very thought of what I was saying, that porn could possibly be a negative without realizing it, especially in relation to addiction, calling me youth defense in deliberate provocation.

There is a real side to this argument, and I personally wouldn't go back to PMO for the world. Anyhow I just wanted to show you a new side to the issue, one I hope that can be discussed properly!

If you had just said "I gave up porn/masurbation and my life is better for it and here's some interesting reading" you would have gotten a far more welcoming response, come in all gunz a blazin' and telling everyone that they're moral degenrates destroying society then of course you're gonna rile people up

Hick1sfm

Trannys and grannys all the way¬!!!

Corkfeen

Eramen wrote: »

I guess I expected you all to go read a lot of this in the links I provided you, if you were that interested (you all took the time to berate me etc).

People did come on here in attack mode, not liking the very thought of what I was saying, that porn could possibly be a negative without realizing it, especially in relation to addiction, calling me youth defense in deliberate provocation.

There is a real side to this argument, and I personally wouldn't go back to PMO for the world. Anyhow I just wanted to show you a new side to the issue, one I hope that can be discussed properly!

I have no doubt that people who are prone to addiction can become addicted to masturbation or many other things for that matter. However you are claiming that addiction is occurring en masse amongst most young people. You have assumed that those responding are addicted and make long reaching claims with no basis of all men being emasculated through porn(Proof is supposedly objectors to fgm and high suicide rates amongst men).

It also sounds a bit like you've joined a cult that's obsessed with masculinity and masturbation... :eek:

mikom

Corkfeen wrote: »

It also sounds a bit like you've joined a cult that's obsessed with masculinity and masturbation... :eek:

I'll give you two guesses where this whole nofap pseudoscience bullshit has taken wings (aside from reddit).

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cloud493

I wouldn't watch porn, I think its somewhat degrading. If you enjoy it though, knock yourself out.

Eramen

Corkfeen wrote: »

I have no doubt that people who are prone to addiction can become addicted to masturbation or many other things for that matter. However you are claiming that addiction is occurring en masse amongst most young people. You have assumed that those responding are addicted and make long reaching claims with no basis of all men being emasculated through porn(Proof is supposedly objectors to fgm and high suicide rates amongst men).

It also sounds a bit like you've joined a cult that's obsessed with masculinity and masturbation... :eek:

I think there is a subdued change in the way young people/men think as a result from the porn industry and masturbation. It not overt, or obvious, at first glance. It lies in the realm of cultural perceptions; the way in which - not sex - but relationships and women are perceived generally. Yet porn is not the only contributing factor, make no mistake.

Relationships are almost a form of entertainment for the young (don't get me wrong, fun is appreciated here), and have little purpose in the way of family, but more to do with sensory engagements. There is no planning for the something greater, it's simply 'come what may' arrangement. Relationships have been reduced to an unreal fantasy, nobody told them that they would suck sometimes, or that its extremely difficult. They are not about effort, but about 'novelty' (thus the 'that wus rly random' culture is present). Also undeniably, softcore and hardcore images have led to the rating of women, and taken away some of their human status. This is also a paradox, because men are more feminine than ever, personality, interests, lack of independence and fashion.

And yes, I'm not surprised you think I've joined such a cult tbh! We live in a society that shuns social orders or groups for men, in fact they are not allowed in an authentic way. Organised groups of men have traditionally been the protectors of their society, especially of the weak and endangered, and of the family. Society in a communal sense in incomplete without this facet of manhood. The culture will be destroyed (such as through Americanisation) and new original ideas will not be forged by the culture without the presence of these male-oriented interests. Our political system has failed to protect us economically and socially, brotherhood is extremely important especially at these times. With a strong brotherhood atmosphere (like in Egypt recently) they could not have foisted what they have onto us. Instead we Irish, we men, are increasingly alone and atomised. It's a far cry from what it once was.

If we do not insist that men have a say in our society, then nobody else will. Women and special groups have their organization, politically and culturally, were is ours? Everyone need a representation. The fact is that to be masculine one has to be apologetic. I'm sorry, but being a man is not a crime. This are my thoughts.

orestes

Eramen wrote: »

I think there is a subdued change in the way young people/men think as a result from the porn industry and masturbation. It not overt, or obvious, at first glance. It lies in the realm of cultural perceptions; the way in which - not sex - but relationships and women are perceived generally. Yet porn is not the only contributing factor, make no mistake.

Relationships are almost a form of entertainment for the young (don't get me wrong, fun is appreciated here), and have little purpose in the way of family, but more to do with sensory engagements. There is no planning for the something greater, it's simply 'come what may' arrangement. Relationships have been reduced to an unreal fantasy, nobody told them that they would suck sometimes, or that its extremely difficult. They are not about effort, but about 'novelty' (thus the 'that wus rly random' culture is present). Also undeniably, softcore and hardcore images have led to the rating of women, and taken away some of their human status. This is also a paradox, because men are more feminine than ever, personality, interests, lack of independence and fashion.

And yes, I'm not surprised you think I've joined such a cult tbh! We live in a society that shuns social orders or groups for men, in fact they are not allowed in an authentic way. Organised groups of men have traditionally been the protectors of their society, especially of the weak and endangered, and of the family. Society in a communal sense in incomplete without this facet of manhood. The culture will be destroyed (such as through Americanisation) and new original ideas will not be forged by the culture without the presence of these male-oriented interests. Our political system has failed to protect us economically and socially, brotherhood is extremely important especially at these times. With a strong brotherhood atmosphere (like in Egypt recently) they could not have foisted what they have onto us. Instead we Irish, we men, are increasingly alone and atomised. It's a far cry from what it once was.

If we do not insist that men have a say in our society, then nobody else will. Women and special groups have their organization, politically and culturally, were is ours? Everyone need a representation. The fact is that to be masculine one has to be apologetic. I'm sorry, but being a man is not a crime. This are my thoughts.

Ah, so we have gone from moralising about the societal and personal evils of porn, through the science of addiction and the roundabout of neuroscience, taken a slight detour down circumcision drive, and have safely arrived at our destination of hysterical soap-boxing. Think of the children, rabble rabble, dey tukk ar jaaabzzzz, etc..

Just knock one out man, all this stress isn't good for you.