Views of Pornography?

dazzler454

orestes wrote: »

Yeah, psychology, sociology and moral philosophy, who needs 'em? Sure what have the social sciences ever done for anybody? Why bother analysing stuff when we can just get our opinions from The Sun?

Thank you for clearing up a few thousand years of speculative and scientific progress so concisely.

Oh no analyse away with relevant things but Pornography? Really

Madam_X

Daveysil15 wrote: »

I don't think its as misogynistic as a lot of people claim. If a man likes to spank his girlfriend on the bottom or cum on her face, does that make him a misogynist? He may have gotten the idea from porn, but if the girl is happy to go along with it, then there's no problem.

I'm talking much more extreme stuff than that.

orestes

dazzler454 wrote: »

Oh no analyse away with relevant things but Pornography? Really

Yup, it's one of the most pervasive elements of the largest communication tool in human history, definitely worth having a good look at what, if any, consequences arise from the sudden rise in its availability.

Madam_X wrote: »

I'm talking much more extreme stuff than that.

Define extreme? Different people have different tastes. Some people read FHM, others read Playboy, others read Bizzare. Once its all consensual, I don't see the problem.

dazzler454

orestes wrote: »

Yup, it's one of the most pervasive elements of the largest communication tool in human history, definitely worth having a good look at what, if any, consequences arise from the sudden rise in its availability.



Define extreme? Different people have different tastes. Some people read FHM, others read Playboy, others read Bizzare. Once its all consensual, I don't see the problem.

fair enough, I can see the interest point in that sense

Icyseanfitz

orestes wrote: »

Yup, it's one of the most pervasive elements of the largest communication tool in human history, definitely worth having a good look at what, if any, consequences arise from the sudden rise in its availability.



Define extreme? Different people have different tastes. Some people read FHM, others read Playboy, others read Bizzare. Once its all consensual, I don't see the problem.

lets ask the Japanese :pac:

Ihatecuddles-old

This thread is making me feel bad about watching so much porn.

I have to say, my friends think I'm nuts! They can't fathom why a girl would watch porn...

BOHtox

Pornography is often frowned upon, but that's only because I'm concentrating!

Well that's gonna be the Boards private messaging system out of action for a while.

Icyseanfitz

Ihatecuddles wrote: »

This thread is making me feel bad about watching so much porn.

I have to say, my friends think I'm nuts! They can't fathom why a girl would watch porn...

stress relief

philologos

Deleted User wrote: »

Like her, I don't want 4 cocks in me at a time or to lick a fella's arse so you know what I do? Not sign up to do it.

That's a horrible comment about sexual abuse by the by. If there are cases both of this and of human trafficking in the pornography industry then to a certain degree you are complicit in watching it.

There are a whole can of ethical issues being ignored by posters here.

nozzferrahhtoo

philologos wrote: »

While I think the above is fascinating, thinking of the ethical issues that pornography raises is probably more interesting. Most of the ones I've raised have been ignored or fobbed off so far.

False. I dealt at GREAT LENGTH with the points you raised and you entirely ignored them. Despite replying just after one of them claiming you would deal with them later.

I am not sure where you get off entirely ignoring whole swaths of replies to your nonsense and then claiming it is us ignoring you! Do you even believe your OWN posts half the time?

You have at least 5 if not more posts on this thread moaning that people are ignoring your points but when we address them you ignore the replies.

Look for example at post #53. I responded to your post at GREAT LENGTH and at the end of it I said that "Bet you do not reply though.". Not two minutes later you responded to it saying "I'll give a response when I'm back on a computer this evening".

Did you?

No.

Instead you pretend we are ignoring you.

You really are a ticket.

Birroc

nozzferrahhtoo has given philologos an almighty kicking this year on many threads.

Yea - it has been a joy to watch hasn't it.

RossFixxxed

It's been a bloodbath. It's not even the topics at hand, it's the approach to them that drives me mad. Same for Eramen. No scientific evidence, huge blanket statements, black and white thinking.

I'm not taking the mick here but it's a worrying kind of thinking, often associated with personal issues. I honestly think the guys should look inwards before spewing their rhetoric on the rest of us i.e. the ones of us who don't think we can save the world, don't think we're 100% correct on everything, who know what science actually is, who have flaws, and who don't rain fire and condescention down on the lowly masses.

If you have the solution to complex issues, and can sum it up on boards, you have got jack ****.

Daveysil15

Madam_X wrote: »

I'm talking much more extreme stuff than that.

How extreme are we talking here... bondage, beastiality? The really extreme stuff is probably only a small percentage of the overall porn industry. I would imagine most people just enjoy a bit of normal porn, whatever that is. Although something that's extreme to one person may be normal to another.

big_joe_joyce

i think porn is in the main a negative force , i watch it on occasion but i never feel good about having done so afterwards

not religous either

orestes

big_joe_joyce wrote: »

i think porn is in the main a negative force , i watch it on occasion but i never feel good about having done so afterwards

not religous either

You're going to have to come up with a better reason than "I never feel good about having done so afterwards" for your assertion of porn being a negative force to have any weight. I feel ill if I eat licorice, that doesn't make it evil.

Caveman1

big_joe_joyce wrote: »

i think porn is in the main a negative force , i watch it on occasion but i never feel good about having done so afterwards

not religous either

Thats because its over

philologos

RossFixxxed wrote: »

It's been a bloodbath. It's not even the topics at hand, it's the approach to them that drives me mad. Same for Eramen. No scientific evidence, huge blanket statements, black and white thinking.

I'm not taking the mick here but it's a worrying kind of thinking, often associated with personal issues. I honestly think the guys should look inwards before spewing their rhetoric on the rest of us i.e. the ones of us who don't think we can save the world, don't think we're 100% correct on everything, who know what science actually is, who have flaws, and who don't rain fire and condescention down on the lowly masses.

If you have the solution to complex issues, and can sum it up on boards, you have got jack ****.

It's a perfectly valid question to ask since pornography is so pervasive, what impact does it have in terms of how we view people, what impact does it have for those who are actually involved in the industry, how should we understand lusting after another person (and getting physical gratification from it) in the context of a marriage or a relationship.

These are all entirely valid questions to ask.

One can even see that even softer magazines like Zoo, Nuts, FHM and so on have misogynistic overtones in respect to women. I genuinely think to believe that watching hours of pornography won't affect your view towards other people, and won't affect your presuppositions and views in respect to sexuality is naiive. Moreover to assume that human trafficking in pornography is not a problem is naiive considering that agencies such as the Serious Organised Crime Agency in the UK regard it as such.

I don't think I'm 100% correct, or perfect by a long shot. I can fall into the same traps as anyone else. I just believe that pornography is wrong on the basis of what philosophy it communicates to us.

On a personal level, my life is far far better without the stuff. I want nothing to do with it or what it encourages.

mikom

philologos wrote: »

I just believe that pornography is wrong on the basis of what philosophy it communicates to us.

What philosophy does pulp fiction, the Expendables, and the walking dead communicate to us?

GalwayGuy2

After reading some of the sex tips from cosmo you could argue that that magazine has mysandric, and rather violent undertones. The last two are the funniest.

The_Thing

Porn - or anything else for that matter - causing high blood pressure and heart attacks in radical feminists and their cellulite-encrusted supporters is fine with me.

Corkfeen

mikom wrote: »

What philosophy does pulp fiction, the Expendables, and the walking dead communicate to us?

Be weary of men in gimp suits, the dead and 80s movie stars.

Icyseanfitz

GalwayGuy2 wrote: »

After reading some of the sex tips from cosmo you could argue that that magazine has mysandric, and rather violent undertones. The last two are the funniest.

cosmo is a sick sick fcuking magazine if they published that :pac:

big_joe_joyce

orestes wrote: »

You're going to have to come up with a better reason than "I never feel good about having done so afterwards" for your assertion of porn being a negative force to have any weight. I feel ill if I eat licorice, that doesn't make it evil.

can only speak for myself , if others think its a possitve or neutral thing , fine

nozzferrahhtoo

philologos wrote: »

It's a perfectly valid question to ask since pornography is so pervasive, what impact does it have in terms of how we view people

Asking the question is valid indeed. Throwing out answers and acting like they are fact however is not.

Much of your opinion on how it affects how we view others is seemingly based on a patronizing and arrogant assumption that everyone in the world except you has no ability to suspend their disbelief in fiction.

We watch James Bond movies and many more without seeing everyone as expendable extras in our life designed only to allow us to kill them in suave and cool ways for example. We do this because we know it is fiction.

The same is true of porn. People watch it and they know this is not reality. If they can not distinguish between fiction and reality then porn is not the problem. Their psychological state is. And removing porn from the lives of people suffering from such deficiencies is not curing any problems. It is just shifting them elsewhere.

big_joe_joyce wrote: »

i think porn is in the main a negative force , i watch it on occasion but i never feel good about having done so afterwards

Sounds like Mcdonalds to me

RossFixxxed

philologos wrote: »

It's a perfectly valid question to ask since pornography is so pervasive, what impact does it have in terms of how we view people, what impact does it have for those who are actually involved in the industry, how should we understand lusting after another person (and getting physical gratification from it) in the context of a marriage or a relationship.

These are all entirely valid questions to ask.

One can even see that even softer magazines like Zoo, Nuts, FHM and so on have misogynistic overtones in respect to women. I genuinely think to believe that watching hours of pornography won't affect your view towards other people, and won't affect your presuppositions and views in respect to sexuality is naiive. Moreover to assume that human trafficking in pornography is not a problem is naiive considering that agencies such as the Serious Organised Crime Agency in the UK regard it as such.

I don't think I'm 100% correct, or perfect by a long shot. I can fall into the same traps as anyone else. I just believe that pornography is wrong on the basis of what philosophy it communicates to us.

On a personal level, my life is far far better without the stuff. I want nothing to do with it or what it encourages.

If your life is better without it, that's great you've made the right decision for yourself.

I've yet to see any reason outside of your own subjective experience why it is so bad, in a blanket way. There is some horrific things out there on the internet, and in pornography. I have seen things that have stuck with me 10 years later.

However, the same goes for sweat shop manufactured clothes, mass produced foods and so on also. It's not right and it needs to be fixed in a bad way.

I don't, however, feel that the entire thing is bad for everyone. I think people need to look at themselves, and their relationship with it and make and educated choice. I object when blanket statements are made without any backing to support it.

I don't drink personally. I can provide scientific proof that misuse of alcohol is bad for you, so I have a backed up claim that drinking too much is terrible for you. However, I don't think that all drinking is bad, and that it should be banned or obsessively abstained from. It ain't for me, but many enjoy the odd beer.