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    #2252
    Thermoman12
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    sellit90000 wrote: »
    Liam Turner is an interesting prospect, anyone think he will make the leinster academy?

    Or will concerns about his lack of height and top end athleticism mean he will get passed over? Needs to nail down a starting position for Ireland u20.

    combined with there being a wing in the academy of the same age grade and several good prospects on the wing in the age grade below him.
    I think being shorter will help him due to his low center of gravity, it would be much harder for people to tackle him considering he’s very built aswell


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    #2253
    sellit90000
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    Thermoman12 wrote: »
    I think being shorter will help him due to his low center of gravity, it would be much harder for people to tackle him considering he’s very built aswell

    we shall see how he gets on for the 20's.. will need to impress


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    #2254
    LostArt03
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    How many academy players will play this weekend for Leinster?


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    #2255
    Serbian
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    LostArt03 wrote: »
    How many academy players will play this weekend for Leinster?

    A lot less than last week anyway. I think Leinster will be looking to give some of the players from the autumn internationals game time before the ERC game against Bath.

    Who exactly is likely to play? Back row is likely to feature one or two academy players with Leavy, Conan and O’Brien unlikely to feature. Probably two of Doris, Deegan, Murphy and Penny.

    I don’t think any other positions will be filled by academy players.


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    #2256
    elliot_st
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    Prop
    Vakh Abdaladze(Coolmine RFC/Clontarf) - started at 3 for Clontarf.
    Jack Aungier(Year 2/Suttonians RFC/Terenure) - started at 3 for Terenure.
    Michael Milne(Year 1/CC Roscrea-Birr RFC/UCD) - started at 1 for UCD.

    Donnacha Mescal(U20/Blackrock/DUFC) - started at 1 for DUFC.
    Niall McEniff(U20/St. Marys/St. Marys) - bench for St. Marys.
    Thomas Clarkson(U19/Blackrock/DUFC) - started at 3 for DUFC.
    Harry Noonan(U19/Greystones/Old Wesley) - bench for Old Wesley.

    Hooker
    Ronan Kelleher(Year 2/St. Michaels/Lansdowne) - started at 2 for Lansdowne.
    Dan Sheehan(Year 1/Clongowes/DUFC) - started at 2 for DUFC

    Declan Adamson(U20/Clontarf/Clontarf) - started at 2 for Clontarf.
    Bobby Sheehan(U19/Clongowes/UCD) - started at 2 for UCD.
    Sean Molony(U20/Blackrock/UCD) - bench for UCD.
    John McKee(U19/Campbell/Old Belvedere) - bench for Old Belvedere.

    Lock
    Jack Dunne(Year 1/St. Michaels/DUFC) - started at 5 for DUFC.
    Ryan Baird(Year 1/St. Michaels/DUFC) - injured.

    Brian Deeny(U19/Wexford/Clontarf) - started at 6 for Clontarf, 1 try.

    Backrow
    Oisin Dowling(Year 2/St. Michaels/Lansdowne) - started at 5 for Lansdowne.
    Scott Penny(Year 1/St. Michaels/UCD) - didnt play this weekend.

    Ronan Watters(U20/St. Marys/St. Marys) - started at 7 for St. Marys.
    Martin Moloney(U20/Athy RFC/Old Belvedere) - started at 7 for Old Belvedere.
    Ruadhan Byron(U20/Belvedere/Clontarf) - bench for Clontarf
    Rueben Pim(U20/Kilkenny/DUFC) - bench for DUFC.
    Gerard Hill(U20/Belvedere/Old Belvedere) - bench for Old Belvedere.

    Scrumhalf
    Hugh O'Sullivan(Year 2/Belvedere/Clontarf) - didn't play this weekend.
    Patrick Patterson(Year 1/Blackrock/UCD) - didn't play this weekend.

    Shane Murphy(U19/Skerries RFC/UCD) - bench for UCD.

    Outhalf
    Ciaran Frawley(Year 2/Skerries RFC/UCD) - didn't play this weekend.
    Harry Byrne(Year 1/St. Michaels/Lansdowne) - bench for Lansdowne, 1 con.
    David Hawkshaw(Year 1/Belvedere/Clontarf) - didn't play this weekend.

    James Tarrant(U20/Blackrock/UCD) - bench for UCD.

    Centre
    Conor O'Brien(Year 3/Mullingar RFC/Clontarf) - didn't play this weekend.
    Jimmy O'Brien(Year 3/Newbridge/UCD) - didn't play this weekend.
    Gavin Mullin(Year 2/Blackrock/UCD) - started at 13 for UCD.
    Tommy O'Brien(Year 2/Blackrock/UCD) - injured.

    Back Three
    Hugo Keenan(Year 3/Blackrock/UCD) - didn't play this weekend.
    Jack Kelly(Year 3/St. Michaels/DUFC) - started at 13 for DUFC.
    Michael Silvester(Year 1/Clongowes/DUFC) - started at 15 for DUFC.
    Aaron O'Sullivan(Year 1/Exile/UCD) - injured.

    Liam Turner(U20/Blackrock/DUFC) - started at 14 for DUFC.
    Hugo Conway(U20/St. Marys/St. Marys) - started at 14 for St. Marys.
    Conor Kelly(U20/Roscrea/Clontarf) - started at 15 for Clontarf.
    Adam LaGrue(U20/Terenure/Terenure) - started at 13 for Terenure.
    Ruairi Shields(U20/St. Marys/St. Marys) - started at 11 for St. Marys.
    Sam Dardis(U19/Terenure/Terenure) - bench.


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    #2257
    D14Rugby
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    Guessing that the second parts in that list are just people you think are notable?


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    #2258
    elliot_st
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    D14Rugby wrote: »
    Guessing that the second parts in that list are just people you think are notable?

    some are sub-academy players, others are underage players who were involved with leinster previously, most of them last summer at either u20 or u19 level.


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    #2259
    ArmchairQB
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    elliot_st wrote: »
    Prop
    Vakh Abdaladze(Coolmine RFC/Clontarf) - started at 3 for Clontarf.
    Jack Aungier(Year 2/Suttonians RFC/Terenure) - started at 3 for Terenure.
    Michael Milne(Year 1/CC Roscrea-Birr RFC/UCD) - started at 1 for UCD.

    Donnacha Mescal(U20/Blackrock/DUFC) - started at 1 for DUFC.
    Niall McEniff(U20/St. Marys/St. Marys) - bench for St. Marys.
    Thomas Clarkson(U19/Blackrock/DUFC) - started at 3 for DUFC.
    Harry Noonan(U19/Greystones/Old Wesley) - bench for Old Wesley.

    Hooker
    Ronan Kelleher(Year 2/St. Michaels/Lansdowne) - started at 2 for Lansdowne.
    Dan Sheehan(Year 1/Clongowes/DUFC) - started at 2 for DUFC

    Declan Adamson(U20/Clontarf/Clontarf) - started at 2 for Clontarf.
    Bobby Sheehan(U19/Clongowes/UCD) - started at 2 for UCD.
    Sean Molony(U20/Blackrock/UCD) - bench for UCD.
    John McKee(U19/Campbell/Old Belvedere) - bench for Old Belvedere.

    Lock
    Jack Dunne(Year 1/St. Michaels/DUFC) - started at 5 for DUFC.
    Ryan Baird(Year 1/St. Michaels/DUFC) - injured.

    Brian Deeny(U19/Wexford/Clontarf) - started at 6 for Clontarf, 1 try.

    Backrow
    Oisin Dowling(Year 2/St. Michaels/Lansdowne) - started at 5 for Lansdowne.
    Scott Penny(Year 1/St. Michaels/UCD) - didnt play this weekend.

    Ronan Watters(U20/St. Marys/St. Marys) - started at 7 for St. Marys.
    Martin Moloney(U20/Athy RFC/Old Belvedere) - started at 7 for Old Belvedere.
    Ruadhan Byron(U20/Belvedere/Clontarf) - bench for Clontarf
    Rueben Pim(U20/Kilkenny/DUFC) - bench for DUFC.
    Gerard Hill(U20/Belvedere/Old Belvedere) - bench for Old Belvedere.

    Scrumhalf
    Hugh O'Sullivan(Year 2/Belvedere/Clontarf) - didn't play this weekend.
    Patrick Patterson(Year 1/Blackrock/UCD) - didn't play this weekend.

    Shane Murphy(U19/Skerries RFC/UCD) - bench for UCD.

    Outhalf
    Ciaran Frawley(Year 2/Skerries RFC/UCD) - didn't play this weekend.
    Harry Byrne(Year 1/St. Michaels/Lansdowne) - bench for Lansdowne, 1 con.
    David Hawkshaw(Year 1/Belvedere/Clontarf) - didn't play this weekend.

    James Tarrant(U20/Blackrock/UCD) - bench for UCD.

    Centre
    Conor O'Brien(Year 3/Mullingar RFC/Clontarf) - didn't play this weekend.
    Jimmy O'Brien(Year 3/Newbridge/UCD) - didn't play this weekend.
    Gavin Mullin(Year 2/Blackrock/UCD) - started at 13 for UCD.
    Tommy O'Brien(Year 2/Blackrock/UCD) - injured.

    Back Three
    Hugo Keenan(Year 3/Blackrock/UCD) - didn't play this weekend.
    Jack Kelly(Year 3/St. Michaels/DUFC) - started at 13 for DUFC.
    Michael Silvester(Year 1/Clongowes/DUFC) - started at 15 for DUFC.
    Aaron O'Sullivan(Year 1/Exile/UCD) - injured.

    Liam Turner(U20/Blackrock/DUFC) - started at 14 for DUFC.
    Hugo Conway(U20/St. Marys/St. Marys) - started at 14 for St. Marys.
    Conor Kelly(U20/Roscrea/Clontarf) - started at 15 for Clontarf.
    Adam LaGrue(U20/Terenure/Terenure) - started at 13 for Terenure.
    Ruairi Shields(U20/St. Marys/St. Marys) - started at 11 for St. Marys.
    Sam Dardis(U19/Terenure/Terenure) - bench.

    Dan Sheehan is on a temporay academy contract that got extended he is not on a full academy contract, may graduate to one but not on a full one as of yet


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    #2260
    elliot_st
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    ArmchairQB wrote: »
    Dan Sheehan is on a temporay academy contract that got extended he is not on a full academy contract, may graduate to one but not on a full one as of yet

    seems like to me he is on a standard 1 year deal, so what's the difference?

    He is training with seniors along with the rest of the academy.


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    #2261
    elliot_st
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 90 ✭✭elliot_st


    5 st. michaels players in Ireland u18 training camp over christmas.

    Jack Boyle(LH Prop)
    Lee Barron(Hooker)
    Will Hickey(Backrow)
    Rob Gilsenan(Scrumhalf)
    Chris Cosgrave(Fullback)

    some other leinster players involved

    Sam Illo(LH Prop)
    Levi Vaughan(Hooker)
    Alex Soroka(Lock)
    Ben Murphy(Scrumhalf)
    Karl Martin(Centre)
    Jamie Osborne(Fullback)


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    #2262
    elliot_st
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    Potential Leinster academy next season?

    Jack Aungier(Suttonians/Terenure) - Year 3
    Michael Milne(Roscrea/UCD) - Year 2
    Tom Clarkson(Blackrock/DUFC) - Year 1

    Ronan Kelleher(St. Michaels/Lansdowne) - Year 3
    Dan Sheehan(Clongwoes/DUFC) - Year 2

    Oisin Dowling(St. Michaels/Lansdowne) - Year 3
    Ryan Baird(St. Michaels/DUFC) - Year 2
    Charlie Ryan(/Blackrock/UCD) - Year 1

    Scott Penny(St. Michaels/UCD) - Year 2
    Martin Moloney(Athy/Old Belvedere) - Year 1

    Patrick Patterson(Blackrock/UCD) - Year 2
    Cormac Foley(St. Gerards/St. Marys) - Year 1

    Harry Byrne(St. Michaels/Lansdowne) - Year 2
    David Hawkshaw(Belvedere/Clontarf) - Year 2

    Tommy O'Brien(Blackrock/UCD) - Year 3
    Gavin Mullin(Blackrock/UCD) - Year 3

    Michael Silvester(Clongwoes/DUFC) - Year 2
    Aaron O'Sullivan(Exile/UCD) - Year 2
    Liam Turner(Blackrock/DUFC) - Year 1


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    #2263
    Hands Like Flippers
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    Some Ulster names in u18 December camp:

    Nathan Doak 10 Wallace started at 9 last year.
    Ben Carson 12 Wallace u17
    Reuben Xxx 7 Wallace u17

    Oscar Egan prop Coleraine

    Presumably Tom Stewart BRA at hooker as he started last year for the schools team.

    Haven't seen any others.


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    #2264
    Heymans
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    Elliott Of those who do you think will get senior contracts?


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    #2265
    Hands Like Flippers
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    elliot_st wrote: »
    5 st. michaels players in Ireland u18 training camp over christmas.

    Jack Boyle(LH Prop)
    Lee Barron(Hooker)
    Will Hickey(Backrow)
    Rob Gilsenan(Scrumhalf)
    Chris Cosgrave(Fullback)

    some other leinster players involved

    Sam Illo(LH Prop)
    Levi Vaughan(Hooker)
    Alex Soroka(Lock)
    Ben Murphy(Scrumhalf)
    Karl Martin(Centre)
    Jamie Osborne(Fullback)

    Saw CC play 13 for At Michael's in Belfast a few months ago. Very good.


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    #2266
    Locke_Lamora
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    Hands Like Flippers wrote: »
    Some Ulster names in u18 December camp:

    Nathan Doak 10 Wallace started at 9 last year.
    Ben Carson 12 Wallace u17
    Reuben Xxx 7 Wallace u17

    Oscar Egan prop Coleraine

    Presumably Tom Stewart BRA at hooker as he started last year for the schools team.

    Haven't seen any others.

    Reuben Crothers?


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    #2267
    Hands Like Flippers
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    Locke_Lamora wrote: »
    Reuben Crothers?

    Yes. According to Wallace he was the openside and captain of the u18 school and club side v the schools. The other two Wallace guys were Schools team.


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    #2268
    Hands Like Flippers
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    elliot_st wrote: »
    would make both starting centres u17.

    Don't quite follow. Sorry.


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    #2269
    Hands Like Flippers
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    elliot_st wrote: »
    Ben Carson started at 12 and Karl Martin started at 13, making both starting centres under-17 and eligible again next season.

    Very good. Look forward to seeing a few of the games.

    Did you see the team sheets at all?


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    #2270
    Hands Like Flippers
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    elliot_st wrote: »
    not a full teamsheet no, A team:

    1. George Saunderson(Ulster)
    2. Lee Barron(Leinster)
    3. Mark Donnelly(Munster)
    4. Alex Soroka(Leinster)
    5. Darragh Murray(Connacht)
    6. Will Hickey(Leinster)
    7. Hubert Costello(Connacht)
    8. Alex Kendellan(Munster)
    9. Ben Murphy(Leinster)
    10. Nathan Doak(Ulster)
    11.
    12. Ben Carson(Ulster)
    13. Karl Martin(Leinster)
    14.
    15. Chris Cosgrave(Leinster)

    B team:

    1. Sam Illo(Leinster)
    2.
    3.
    4.
    5.
    6.
    7. Rueben Crothers(Ulster)
    8. Daniel Okeke(Munster)
    9. Rob Gilsenan(Leinster)
    10.
    11.
    12.
    13.
    14.
    15. Jamie Osborne(Leinster)

    Surprised no Tom Stewart at hooker in there given he started for Schools last year. Highly rated in Ulster. Played 2 for Ulster v Australia recently.


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    #2271
    Hands Like Flippers
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    elliot_st wrote: »
    could be injured, dunno.

    Or hols I suppose as played on Saturday past.


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    #2272
    arsebiscuits1
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    elliot_st wrote: »
    Potential Leinster academy next season?


    Scott Penny(St. Michaels/UCD) - Year 2

    I know he's only started 3 games so far for us but I wonder could he be promoted early?

    Wasn't in the case that Connacht came knocking for Doris so they bumped him up to a senior contract early?

    Penny might find himself in a similar situation. If I were another province I'd be really buttering up Penny to join


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    #2273
    D14Rugby
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    arsebiscuits1 wrote: »
    I know he's only started 3 games so far for us but I wonder could he be promoted early?

    Wasn't in the case that Connacht came knocking for Doris so they bumped him up to a senior contract early?

    Penny might find himself in a similar situation. If I were another province I'd be really buttering up Penny to join

    Doris' family live in Mayo though so he'd be far more likely to move.

    I'd probably cut down on the non academy chat lads, I like this thread, hate to see it closed.


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    #2274
    Heymans
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    Elliott - What are the chances of Kelleher 2. getting a senior contract.

    He is in year 3 of the Academy correct?


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    #2275
    Stainalert
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    Heymans wrote: »
    Elliott - What are the chances of Kelleher 2. getting a senior contract.

    He is in year 3 of the Academy correct?

    He's in year 2 of the academy


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    #2276
    arsebiscuits1
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    Heymans wrote: »
    Elliott - What are the chances of Kelleher 2. getting a senior contract.

    He is in year 3 of the Academy correct?

    Having seen him play a few. He's comfortably got the physicality for pro rugby and seems to have the skills although they need to be honed. He was excellent for the Leinster As

    Given Leinster have the conference all but wrapped up and we have the Kings at home and Zebre away, there is a good chance for a cap or 2 for him to see if he can make it at a higher level


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    #2277
    Heymans
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    arsebiscuits1 wrote: »
    Having seen him play a few. He's comfortably got the physicality for pro rugby and seems to have the skills although they need to be honed. He was excellent for the Leinster As

    Given Leinster have the conference all but wrapped up and we have the Kings at home and Zebre away, there is a good chance for a cap or 2 for him to see if he can make it at a higher level

    Good I was wondering if the coaching staff were doing their utmost in succession planning in this area. Hopefully he makes a few appearances soon and gets a contract.

    Would also like to see Dan Sheehan get a run out. He's a big unit from what I've seen


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    #2278
    Squidgy Black
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    Kelleher will likely get a development contract at the end of next year, think it's clear that Tracy isn't the answer at hooker and Byrne hasn't really had much of a look in for bigger games despite being 25 now.


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    #2279
    elliot_st
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 90 ✭✭elliot_st


    Leinster Academy Team

    1. Michael Milne(19/Roscrea/UCD)
    2. Ronan Kelleher(20/St. Michaels/Lansdowne)
    3. Jack Aungier(20/Suttonians RFC/Terenure)
    4. Ryan Baird(19/St. Michaels/DUFC)
    5. Jack Dunne(20/St. Michaels/DUFC)
    6. Oisin Dowling(21/St. Michaels/Lansdowne)
    7. Scott Penny(19/St. Michaels/UCD)
    8. Ronan Watters(19/St. Marys/St. Marys)
    9. Hugh O'Sullivan(20/Belvedre/Clontarf)
    10. Ciaran Frawley(21/Skerries RFC/UCD)
    11. Tommy O'Brien(20/Blackrock/UCD)
    12. Conor O'Brien(22/Mullingar/Clontarf)
    13. Jimmy O'Brien(22/Newbridge/UCD)
    14. Jack Kelly(21/St. Michaels/DUFC)
    15. Hugo Keenan(22/Blackrock/UCD)
    16. Dan Sheehan(20/Clongowes/DUFC)
    17. Guiseppe Coyne(19/Blackrock/DUFC)
    18. Tom Clarkson(18/Blackrock/DUFC)
    19. Charlie Ryan(19/Blackrock/UCD)
    20. Martin Moloney(19/Athy RFC/Old Belvedere)
    21. Patrick Patterson(20/Blackrock/UCD)
    22. Harry Byrne(19/St. Michaels/Lansdowne)
    23. Michael Silvester(20/Clongowes/DUFC)


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    #2280
    Heymans
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    Elliott what are the chances of Kelly, Keenan or Sylvester being given a senior contract in the next few years?


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    #2281
    BorkLaser93
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    D14Rugby wrote: »

    I'd probably cut down on the non academy chat lads, I like this thread, hate to see it closed.
    Really? Talking about academy players is too much now? The schools thread is already a bag of ****e and now this thread could get derailed because people are talking about moving young players around the provinces? Christ...this is a forum isn't it? Free speech and all that.


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