The Academies

stephen.scrum

jackdidley wrote: »

Strange there’s nothing on the Wesley FB page and nothing on the Italy Twitter news feed relating to Leinster u20’s.

Is this because Leinster, the same as the other 3 provinces do not have a 20’s team as the IRFU’s elite development pathway has a structure in place that finishes age grade rugby at u19 and continues through the academy system?

Should there be u20’s interprovincial rugby? Yes
Is there u20’s interprovincial rugby? No

Look you don't have a clue how it works.

All you have to do is look in the 20s thread last August and there is plenty of evidence of the leinster 20s playing games.

jackdidley

stephen.scrum wrote: »

Look you don't have a clue how it works.

All you have to do is look in the 20s thread last August and there is plenty of evidence of the leinster 20s playing games.

I know exactly how it works. The provinces do not field u20’s teams. They field academy or development teams

stephen.scrum

I'm not talking about the other provinces, i'm talking about leinster and leinster do field a u20 team in august, then they choose players from that that team to join with their academy players for the development team to play games in september.

As I said there is evidence of this u20 team in the Ireland u20 thread on here and on the leinster academy thread on leinsterfans.com

Locke_Lamora

For what it’s worth, I watched a Leinster u20 side play a club team at donnybrook last season. Also watched a Leinster development side play Ulster.

Squidgy Black

Leinster most definitely do field U20s representative teams. Alongside their development squads.

RugbyRugby2016

https://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/leinster-rugby/meet-the-man-behind-leinsters-subacademy-the-invisible-force-driving-the-european-champions-forward-37868446.html

Article mentions that there are 23 players in the year 1 program - 5 full academy and 18 sub.

Assume the full academy are the lads straight out of school

Milne
Baird
Penny
Hawkshaw
A O’Sullivan

Dubinusa

Hawkshaw may now be a doubt for the academy. He just had surgery and will miss the rwc!
Awful luck. He was playing great rugby.

The Lost Sheep

Dubinusa wrote: »

Hawkshaw may now be a doubt for the academy. He just had surgery and will miss the rwc!
Awful luck. He was playing great rugby.

No he wont. He will miss jwc but if Leinster see him as able for academy they'll sign him regardless and he's in academy so your point is?

arsebiscuits1

Dubinusa wrote: »

Hawkshaw may now be a doubt for the academy. He just had surgery and will miss the rwc!
Awful luck. He was playing great rugby.

Pretty sure Hawkshaw is already in the academy. He's not listed on the Leinster site but I am quite sure he was promoted from sub academy a little while ago.

Even if he wasn't, there's not much danger of him missing out on it tbh. They'd be very unlikely to let a promising 10/12 who've they've invested in slip through

Dubinusa

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

No he wont. He will miss jwc but if Leinster see him as able for academy they'll sign him regardless and he's in academy so your point is?

He's not listed on the website?
Hopefully he recovers well. He's a serious talent.

donnybrook1

any news on the Under 18s/19s squads for summer training

Hands Like Flippers

donnybrook1 wrote: »

any news on the Under 18s/19s squads for summer training

I think the Ulster squads are out but UR don't publicise them.

worldcupfever

Possible Leinster U20 side this summer:

1. Harry Noonan(Greystones RFC/Old Wesley)
2. Bobby Sheehan(Clongowes Wood/UCD)
3. Ryan McMahon(Clongowes Wood)
4. Cian Prendergast(Newbridge College/UCD)
5. Sean O'Brien(Blackrock College)
6. Anthony Ryan(Clongowes Wood College/DUFC)
7. Mark Hernan(St. Michaels College)
8. Ed Brennan(Blackrock College)
9. Jack Connolly(Gonzaga College)
10. Paddy McKenzie(Wicklow RFC/Old Wesley)
11. Max O'Reilly(St. Gerards/DUFC)
12. Mick O'Gara(Pres Bray)
13. Luis Faria(Wanderers FC/DUFC)
14. Andrew Smith(St. Micahels College)
15. James Reynolds(CBC Monkstown)

Possible Leinster U19 side:

1. Hugo O'Malley(Blackrock College)
2. Lee Barron(St. Michaels College)
3. Sam Illo(Wesley College)
4. Alex Soroka(Belvedere College)
5. Joseph McCarthy(Blackrock College)
6. Jack Guinane(St. Michaels College)
7. Aaron Coleman(Belvedere College)
8. Will Hickey(St. Michaels College)
9. Ben Murphy(Pres Bary)
10. Niall Carroll(St. Michaels College)
11. Matt Grogan(Belvedere College)
12. Justin Leonard(Belvedere College)
13. Chris Crosgrave(St. Michaels College)
14. Josh O'Connor(Wexford RFC)
15. Jamie Osborne(Naas RFC)

Faugheen

I've seen that 9 Ben Murphy play. Very impressed. Can't recall a more impressive SH at Leinster Schools level since Luke McGrath. Hopefully he can kick on in the next few years.

Quin_Dub

Faugheen wrote: »

I've seen that 9 Ben Murphy play. Very impressed. Can't recall a more impressive SH at Leinster Schools level since Luke McGrath. Hopefully he can kick on in the next few years.

Is he Richie Murphys son?

I see he's from Pres Bray.

Faugheen

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Is he Richie Murphys son?

I see he's from Pres Bray.

I believe he is, and he place-kicked for them too.

worldcupfever

Faugheen wrote: »

I've seen that 9 Ben Murphy play. Very impressed. Can't recall a more impressive SH at Leinster Schools level since Luke McGrath. Hopefully he can kick on in the next few years.

there is a chance he skips under-19 level and plays under-20 this summer.

He is Richie Murphys son yes.

watched him for ireland u18 over easter, wasn't hugely impressed, interested to watch his progression.

Leinster should have every young scrumhalf watching Craig Casey for the 20's.

Lucas44

worldcupfever wrote: »

Possible Leinster U20 side this summer:

1. Harry Noonan(Greystones RFC/Old Wesley)
2. Bobby Sheehan(Clongowes Wood/UCD)
3. Ryan McMahon(Clongowes Wood)
4. Cian Prendergast(Newbridge College/UCD)
5. Sean O'Brien(Blackrock College)
6. Anthony Ryan(Clongowes Wood College/DUFC)
7. Mark Hernan(St. Michaels College)
8. Ed Brennan(Blackrock College)
9. Jack Connolly(Gonzaga College)
10. Paddy McKenzie(Wicklow RFC/Old Wesley)
11. Max O'Reilly(St. Gerards/DUFC)
12. Mick O'Gara(Pres Bray)
13. Luis Faria(Wanderers FC/DUFC)
14. Andrew Smith(St. Micahels College)
15. James Reynolds(CBC Monkstown)

Possible Leinster U19 side:

1. Hugo O'Malley(Blackrock College)
2. Lee Barron(St. Michaels College)
3. Sam Illo(Wesley College)
4. Alex Soroka(Belvedere College)
5. Joseph McCarthy(Blackrock College)
6. Jack Guinane(St. Michaels College)
7. Aaron Coleman(Belvedere College)
8. Will Hickey(St. Michaels College)
9. Ben Murphy(Pres Bary)
10. Niall Carroll(St. Michaels College)
11. Matt Grogan(Belvedere College)
12. Justin Leonard(Belvedere College)
13. Chris Crosgrave(St. Michaels College)
14. Josh O'Connor(Wexford RFC)
15. Jamie Osborne(Naas RFC)

Can’t see Reynolds being with leinster 20s he was dropped from connacht u19s last year, wouldn’t be surprised to see cosgrave go straight into 20s

worldcupfever

Lucas44 wrote: »

Can’t see Reynolds being with leinster 20s he was dropped from connacht u19s last year, wouldn’t be surprised to see cosgrave go straight into 20s

Cosgrave is still in school and therefore not eligible for 20's.

Reynolds made the leinster-20 summer squad, after he had a very strong season for CBC Monkstown.

Other contenders for fullback at u20 level are Sam Dardis(Terenure), who was dropped from leinster under-19 last season and John Maher(Clongowes)

DonVito

I would imagine the favourite for the 15 shirt is Max O'Reilly. He trained with the u20's squad before they departed and has already played some Celtic Cup rugby.

worldcupfever

DonVito wrote: »

I would imagine the favourite for the 15 shirt is Max O'Reilly. He trained with the u20's squad before they departed and has already played some Celtic Cup rugby.

it was the Cara Cup no?

O'Reilly could certainly be at 15, he was in the sub-academy this season unlike Reynolds/Smith/Maher who were still in school and therefore ineligible from 20's training or A games.

Hands Like Flippers

worldcupfever wrote: »

Leinster should have every young scrumhalf watching Craig Casey for the 20's.

What do you reckon is good about him? Ta.

worldcupfever

Hands Like Flippers wrote: »

What do you reckon is good about him? Ta.

The speed he gets to the breakdown
the speed he gets the ball out of the breakdown
his speed and accuracy of passing off both hands
his overall aggressiveness and decision making

he is a future star, despite his size.

leinster haven't had a scrumhalf come through with that sort of talent since ciaran scally, luke mcgrath is the closest and his passing isn't near casey's level nor is his ability to get the ball out of the breakdown quickly.

The Lost Sheep

Some names confirmed for Ulster's academy
https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/rugby/ulster-rugby/ulster-confirm-four-new-academy-contracts-as-nathan-doak-joined-by-wallace-team-mates-39090365.html

Locke_Lamora

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Some names confirmed for Ulster's academy
https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/rugby/ulster-rugby/ulster-confirm-four-new-academy-contracts-as-nathan-doak-joined-by-wallace-team-mates-39090365.html

I wonder if that's the full intake or if they were mentioned because their schools already announced them.

The Lost Sheep

Locke_Lamora wrote: »

I wonder if that's the full intake or if they were mentioned because their schools already announced them.

Cant imagine it is. Would expect more than 4 to be announced. As you say could be their schools announced it.

Quin_Dub

I think the shortened season is going to have an impact on the Academies next year.

A lot of the Irish U20's that would have been hoping to show their value in the 6N's and the World Cup in the hopes of moving to the next Contract stage may not now move forward so you might see a bit of a logjam effect.

That and the financial impacts could see a reduced official intake into the Academies with guys remaining in sub-academies for another year..

Locke_Lamora

Could impact the number graduating as well. I remember reading that Leinster had their intake limited last time by the higher ups for some reason, so if they're cash strapped I imagine it might get limited further. Would be awful if a Leinster lad had to go to an academy, say, two hours up the road

That being said, Ulster's don't seem to have been impacted, especially if there are still other players yet to be announced so I imagine Leinster will have no problem accounting for all the players they had planned to.

bilston

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Some names confirmed for Ulster's academy
https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/rugby/ulster-rugby/ulster-confirm-four-new-academy-contracts-as-nathan-doak-joined-by-wallace-team-mates-39090365.html

Carson looked decent in the clips I saw of the Wallace schools cup semi final. Doak was always going to be added. I take it Lewis Finlay is already in the Academy?

bilston

Quin_Dub wrote: »

I think the shortened season is going to have an impact on the Academies next year.

A lot of the Irish U20's that would have been hoping to show their value in the 6N's and the World Cup in the hopes of moving to the next Contract stage may not now move forward so you might see a bit of a logjam effect.

That and the financial impacts could see a reduced official intake into the Academies with guys remaining in sub-academies for another year..

Yeah, but the four announced are all currently schoolboys so aren't even at U20 level yet so that will make that logjam even more congested.

That said I think most of the Ulster lads in the 20s squad were already in the Academy, certainly Stewart, McCann and Hyde are.

Not sure about Finlay and I actually don't think Ethan McIlroy is, which is odd because he is in the Irish U20 side and has already featured heavily in a Pro 14 game for Ulster.