Do you get paid to work Overtime?

VEN

donkey balls wrote: »

A lot of people don't know their rights regarding employment law under the Safety Health and Welfare Act 2005,It states that any training/up skilling that an employee has to do in order for them to carry out their duties must be paid by the employer.
About two years ago I had to re validate one of my licences which I did on my own time&money when I went to look for the cost of the course back of my employer,They told me that they don't have to pay me for the course that's untill I showed them the legislation;)
Their is also employers out there taking the piss regarding wages T&C using the current climate as a battering ram to lower the employees wage,Last year I came across a job for a transport manager on the net which required the person to have the following.
Transport mgmt CPC, ADR licence,DGSA Licence,artic truck licence along with route planning/fleet maintenance along with a load of other relevant duties,And the salary was about 24/25k.:eek:

yep and pay for all eye set tests if you work on computers under the health and safety act. its why they like to hire foreign workers too, they think they're easier to exploit and know less about their rights here.
far too many dodgy wannabe 'business' heads in this country.

woodchuck

Considering my boss assumed I'd be coming back unpaid at the weekends in January when I start a new job elsewhere... no, just no...

Q_ueeny

I cant believe there is people (other than self employed) that do not get paid for overtime.

Is this not illegal in some way , to work and not get paid or even work up a days holidays?

If I do overtime , I get paid time and a half , double time for overtime on a Sunday.

Also get extra's for doing overtime on top of that like Brown Thomas Vouchers / All for one vouchers!

woodchuck

Well I'm leaving my current job and haven't used up the majority of the holiday time I'm entitled to... so I'm going to talk to HR and see what I'm entitled to. I'm hoping I might get something for the weekends and bank holidays I've worked (or well, balance it against what little time I have taken off). But in terms of coming in early and working late Mon-Fri or bringing work home with you... nope, it's just expected. If it needs to be done it needs to be done.

cuana

No overtime! I'm on a salary which is a shame as my average day is 10-12 hours! sniff

steve9859

Q_ueeny wrote: »

I cant believe there is people (other than self employed) that do not get paid for overtime.

Is this not illegal in some way , to work and not get paid or even work up a days holidays?

If I do overtime , I get paid time and a half , double time for overtime on a Sunday.

Also get extra's for doing overtime on top of that like Brown Thomas Vouchers / All for one vouchers!

A large portion of the workforce are salaried and paid to do a job. I have never had an overtime payment in my life. I work well over whatever that European directive says should be the maximum hours per week. But I get well paid for it. Everyone in my office knew what was expected when they signed their contracts. Just because you are not paid a separate overtime payment, it does not necessarily mean that you are not paid for the time and effort you are putting in. I am sure there are some companies out there that take the p1ss, but there are many that don't, and pay a fair wage for the demands of the job, which reflects the time demands.

Personally, I have zero complaints. I can't imagine doing a job where you watch the clock and work to specific times.

Wftablueboy

Working for a company for the past 4 years , always on a salary , never paid any overtime , work an average of 40 hour week . Just seen my Xmas roster today , their looking for me to work 14 days in a row without a day off and 63 hours in a working week and expect me to do it without any overtime .... Should be an interesting meeting this week

woodoo

Wftablueboy wrote: »

Working for a company for the past 4 years , always on a salary , never paid any overtime , work an average of 40 hour week . Just seen my Xmas roster today , their looking for me to work 14 days in a row without a day off and 63 hours in a working week and expect me to do it without any overtime .... Should be an interesting meeting this week

I don't understand whet people man by they are salaries to do a job and don't expect overtime. I'm sure in your contract there was a salary and hours of work. That is what your salary is for e.g. 35K for 40hrs per week, 20 days annual leave etc. Anything over and above that should be paid as overtime or time of in lieu.

Chips Lovell

Madam_X wrote: »

I'm also not sure that those who voluntarily work unpaid overtime will be respected for it - the opposite I'd reckon. From what I see, it's the staff who work hard but are also able to put the foot down when needs be, that get ahead.

Spot on. Nobody respects a pushover.

3ndahalfof6

I want to work, so I get a job where I am happy with the pay, as the working year progresses I find myself doing extra hours (but I am salary), so I don't get paid but I can have the time back, this works for me as I can build up hours or days of extra work and take them off getting paid for them,

now I will have to wait for a quiet period to take the time back, this too is no problem as I will know when the quiet time is and I will look forward to the down time, it will be my choice, cheap holiday, or just chill for a few days,

it also works for me, if something unexpected comes up I have time saved up, (I will still get to take all my holidays,(not to be confused with time saved up),

you see I work with 25-30 CO workers, now they seem to think I did the overtime (extra hours) and I want to take those off now, sorry it does not work this way,

if I work hard (and I do) and I get things done on time with low costs, I have never had any problem getting the time back, ( which always works to my advantage),

the people who have the problems with, extra hours for time back are the ones who try to use and abuse it, (and most times are lazy fookers),

I have a job in which I need to be able to work with management, to let them see and understand, when I do the extra hours in most if not all cases there is a reason and we get a good result,

if you are hard working and honest you should not have to many problems, but you need to know your own voice and use it when required to remind management how you have performed, not in public within the work place, somewhere they do not need to go on the defensive and can listen to you,

most of the problems are caused by employees who will bitch to each other but never bring it up with management,

how the fook can they fix something if no one tells them.

steve9859

woodoo wrote: »

I don't understand whet people man by they are salaries to do a job and don't expect overtime. I'm sure in your contract there was a salary and hours of work. That is what your salary is for e.g. 35K for 40hrs per week, 20 days annual leave etc. Anything over and above that should be paid as overtime or time of in lieu.

Then my salary would just be cut. If I worked 9 to 5 on my salary, I'd clearly be taking the p1ss, even though my contract presumably says something like 8 or 9 to 5 (I actually have no idea). Like I said before, just because you don't have this thing called 'overtime' it doesn't mean that your pay is not consistent with the hours you are putting in....that would be the case in many professional jobs

woodchuck

woodoo wrote: »

I don't understand whet people man by they are salaries to do a job and don't expect overtime. I'm sure in your contract there was a salary and hours of work. That is what your salary is for e.g. 35K for 40hrs per week, 20 days annual leave etc. Anything over and above that should be paid as overtime or time of in lieu.

My contracts have always stated the minimum number of hours that should be worked in a week. Nothing about getting paid extra if you go over that.

daenerysstormborn3

I work late everyday of the week. I am supposed to finish work at 5:30p.m. but most days I get out at 5:50p.m. or later. Now I know that it is sometimes only the difference of 20 minutes but considering it takes me approximately 20 minutes to get home, it's the difference between me being at home and having the drive ahead of me.

In our job our boss completely exploits the fact that we are in a recession and we are all regularly reminded that other offices in the locality have either (a) let staff go, or (b) cut all staff down to part-time hours or job-sharing. The women I work with also feel under pressure to please the boss as they have kids and mortgages to support. I'm very fortunate in that I don't have a mortgage or rent so if I really wanted to get out, I could, and survive, but every other person I work with either has a mortgage, kids or both. It's not so easy to decide you don't want to be exploited when you have 2 kids and a husband on part-time hours.

Since the second week of October I have worked up 17.5 hours of "overtime". I will probably have to wait until after Christmas to get any of this time back. I would much prefer to be paid for overtime, even if it just meant a measly €20 extra in my pay packet every week, instead of having to wait months to get back the time I'm owed.

I work in a small office and up to March of this year HR was outsourced to a self-employed woman. In March, my employer took on this woman full-time as part of the office. During this woman's time in the office she has had to field numerous complaints from staff in relation to the way the office is run and the way staff are treated. This woman was sacked on Friday because basically my employer does not want to hear any complaints. Yet another example of how they're exploiting their staff. It's basically, do whatever we ask, keep your mouth shut and you'll get paid.

DanWall

Whatever happened to the European law that was introduced a few year back. I stated that you could only work 5 hrs overtime averaged over 3 months.
The Union rules a only in general following the employment laws. How do all the employers get away with it?

TwoShedsJackson

Wftablueboy wrote: »

Working for a company for the past 4 years , always on a salary , never paid any overtime , work an average of 40 hour week . Just seen my Xmas roster today , their looking for me to work 14 days in a row without a day off and 63 hours in a working week and expect me to do it without any overtime .... Should be an interesting meeting this week

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/employment/employment_rights_and_conditions/hours_of_work/working_week.html

Overtime is work done outside normal working hours. There is no statutory obligation on employers in Ireland to pay employees higher rates, for example, double time, for work completed in overtime. You must, however, receive at the very least your normal hourly rate of pay for overtime.

You're legally entitled to be paid for overtime, even if it is at the normal rate. It's up to you, and anyone else in the situation, to claim for it. If you do not do so, you leave yourself open to exploitation by employers.

btard

Uriel. wrote: »

nope, I don't get a cent overtime.
Working on average 10 hrs a week overtime and some weeks (once every 5 weeks or so) I work a full extra day without pay.

It's kinda expected of me, though I could perhaps put the foot down, but I am desperately hoping to get promoted in the next 12 months so I will keep it up. If I get passed over for promotion, then I will probably reappraise my view on unpaid overtime.

Mug.

3ndahalfof6

btard wrote: »

Mug.

Wrong.

steve9859

btard wrote: »

Mug.

Don't try, eh?! Is that it?

Q_ueeny

steve9859 wrote: »

A large portion of the workforce are salaried and paid to do a job. I have never had an overtime payment in my life. I work well over whatever that European directive says should be the maximum hours per week. But I get well paid for it. Everyone in my office knew what was expected when they signed their contracts. Just because you are not paid a separate overtime payment, it does not necessarily mean that you are not paid for the time and effort you are putting in. I am sure there are some companies out there that take the p1ss, but there are many that don't, and pay a fair wage for the demands of the job, which reflects the time demands.

Personally, I have zero complaints. I can't imagine doing a job where you watch the clock and work to specific times.

I am also on a salary and don't have to do any clock watching , but when overtime is offered when its busy for example then I would be paid overtime on top of my salary.

I have just never ever heard of anyone doing overtime and not getting paid for it. Until I read this thread!

kippy

Q_ueeny wrote: »

I am also on a salary and don't have to do any clock watching , but when overtime is offered when its busy for example then I would be paid overtime on top of my salary.

I have just never ever heard of anyone doing overtime and not getting paid for it. Until I read this thread!

It is pretty common, depending on your job/salary arrangements.
Lots of places offer time off in lieu (which is probably better than the extra pay being honest)
Others, depending on your salary/contract/position expect a certain amount of unpaid overtime.

keithclancy

kippy wrote: »

It is pretty common, depending on your job/salary arrangements.
Lots of places offer time off in lieu (which is probably better than the extra pay being honest)
Others, depending on your salary/contract/position expect a certain amount of unpaid overtime.

Well, when applying for a job, the warning sign is usually "Looking for someone without a 9-5 mentality"

UCDVet

Nope - no paid over-time for me. I even get stuck working most holidays (I get three holidays per year, when the office shuts down).

The company I work for also gives out free lunches. At first glance - it's great - but it's not. For about 4 euro in food, the company gets everyone to eat at their desk. There aren't any tables or anything, everyone just gets their free food, and goes back to their desk.

When you start, they tell you '8 to 5' is the 'core' business hours with an hour for lunch. Okay - that's 8 hours. In practice, each day, you'll put in in 8.5 hours. Work 42.5 hours per week, get paid for 40 hours + 20 euro for bad food.

Then, we've got a rotating schedule for someone to work 'late' until half six. No big deal, you think, I'll just show up late, besides it's only once every week or two. But they schedule meetings you need to be at. If you miss the meeting, you'll be in trouble. So some days I'm in at 8:30 and work until 6:30 with my 15 minutes for lunch. That's only one every two weeks though, but it's still 9.75 hours of work.

It ends up being 8.625 hours per day, on average. Just over 43 hours. And that's the absolute minimum you can do and not get in trouble here. Nobody gets paid any OT. Even at your normal pay rate - that's a 7.8% pay raise we're all missing out on by not getting paid.

Most people work significantly more hours though.

I'm just holding out until the end of the year, so no sense in getting upset about it. See what happens with the budget/tax increases/pay raise/bonus - but odds are, I'll just quit my job. It's just not worth it.

Ray Palmer

keithclancy wrote: »

Well, when applying for a job, the warning sign is usually "Looking for someone without a 9-5 mentality"

There may be no warning signs at all!
I started a job which was pretty much the same as the previous job. It was closer to home and paid a small amount more. Started and the first day I knew there would be a problem. They had a training plan which was a 10 hour day yet I was meant to have a 7.5 hour day.
When I was there about a month I brought up the issue of working hours. I was told as per contract " occasional extra hours" I questioned how it was occasional if it was everyday and we weren't on any big project or deadline. So I said I would stick to a set schedule unless there was a need to stay late. HR said this would not "look good" for me. I pushed it and tried to figure out why I was needed to stay late. She couldn't give me an answer but alluded to the manager being a factor.
Started working regular hours and was getting through my work in a timely manner. Then the manager called me in, apparently me leaving early disrupted things. His argument was others needed to do overtime to get their work done and me leaving "early" upset them. It took me a while to get him to agree I wasn't leaving early but on time. So I agreed I'd help anybody who had to do overtime so they could leave on time. He didn't want that he wanted me to do more of my own work.
Now it is actually near impossible to do my work ahead of time in fact it is a massive waste of time to do it. Like trying to put the electrics in a house before the plans are drawn. So I decided I'd help the others as I could do some design and coding. They didn't need any help. The were basically dossing but stayed in the office to keep the manager happy. They could do most of there work in half a day but dragged it out as they had to stay late anyway.
Seen it before and since but never so exaggerated on an entire office.

kippy

keithclancy wrote: »

Well, when applying for a job, the warning sign is usually "Looking for someone without a 9-5 mentality"

Nah, you rarely get a warning.

Larbre34

On other previous threads there have been plenty of Union bashing topics, and yes, many of the reasons for them were arguable.

However, in reading on here the type of scaremongering, unpaid work and pressurisation so many people must tolerate in smaller and/or private companies, makes me glad the Unions are still there, because I can tell you the type of underhand, unilateral, scheming and unjustifiable behaviours described here would not occur in a strong union environment. I'm not one of the comrades, but I'm not one of the doormats either

cooliotheboya

I do.

Niall558

I was told that I get paid the regular overtime rate and I am extremely encouraged and expected to work over time by my employer yet once pay day comes, Overtime is never heard of ......

keithclancy

kippy wrote: »

Nah, you rarely get a warning.

https://www.google.de/search?q=no+9+to+5+mentality+site%3A.ie&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a&safe=active#hl=en&safe=active&client=firefox-a&hs=Xwz&tbo=d&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB%3Aofficial&sclient=psy-ab&q=no+9+to+5+mentality+findajob+site:.ie&oq=no+9+to+5+mentality+findajob+site:.ie&gs_l=serp.3...32292.34114.1.34589.7.5.1.0.0.1.266.610.3j1j1.5.0.les%3B..0.0...1c.1.NfUsZ8lgnO0&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.&fp=c3df3d2e844189fa&bpcl=38897761&biw=1600&bih=782

AwayWithFaries

I don't get paid for it but I often have to work overtime. Hence I have no issue posting on boards during work hours!

kippy

keithclancy wrote: »

https://www.google.de/search?q=no+9+to+5+mentality+site%3A.ie&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a&safe=active#hl=en&safe=active&client=firefox-a&hs=Xwz&tbo=d&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB%3Aofficial&sclient=psy-ab&q=no+9+to+5+mentality+findajob+site:.ie&oq=no+9+to+5+mentality+findajob+site:.ie&gs_l=serp.3...32292.34114.1.34589.7.5.1.0.0.1.266.610.3j1j1.5.0.les%3B..0.0...1c.1.NfUsZ8lgnO0&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.&fp=c3df3d2e844189fa&bpcl=38897761&biw=1600&bih=782

As in you rarely get a warning........