Do you get paid to work Overtime?

Kintarō Hattori

Nope. The job starts at 9am but I reguarly start at 8:40. We get an hour lunch but no-one actually takes it, most people are back to work after about 20-30 minutes. We finish up at 5:30 but I've often stayed until 7pm.

No-one minds though as it's a fabulous job.

TwoShedsJackson

Madam_X wrote: »

Some people do it though simply because it'll prevent the workload from going through the roof - it's kinda a necessary evil to keep the stress at bay for them. It's sh1t but I can see how it happens. Some companies might not offer overtime but would offer time off in lieu.

If there are are insufficent employees to deal with the workload it's to the employer to hire more people, not expect those that are there to attempt to cover it for no extra. Of course, if they are greedy twats, and the employees are willing to be exploited, then they get what they deserve.

steve9859

VEN wrote: »

yep, the little cut throats, they just lie and backstab their way to the top of a **** heap. probably screw the boss along the way and all. hilarious yet very sad

That must be the most bitter post of the day. I'm getting reasonably close to the top in my firm and have done none of those things!

Odysseus

krissovo wrote: »

A little harsh, I think most people who work to time off in lieu never claw back all of it. Certainly none who get to to earn decent bucks as they are typecast as a jobsworth.

It depends on what you call decent? I know I always make sure that I get it back. Every time I either work later or take TOIL I have a master sheet which every thing goes on. My immediate line manager then has to sign if off.

There is a high burn out rate in my line of work so we make sure we take our time off.

_Kaiser_

TwoShedsJackson wrote: »

If there are are insufficent employees to deal with the workload it's to the employer to hire more people, not expect those that are there to attempt to cover it for no extra. Of course, if they are greedy twats, and the employees are willing to be exploited, then they get what they deserve.

That's fine maybe if you have a union backing you, but in the "real world" of private enterprise you are expected to be "flexible" and work extra when needed - especially if you ever plan to get ahead in the place.

Again, it also depends on what you do and the company. IT for example is generally grudgingly seen as a "necessary evil" by those who hold the purse strings and treated as such. Of course they forget/don't realise that without decent IT (particularly in a company that does all of its business online), there WOULD be no profit at all. All they see are bills for staff, equipment, maintenance contracts etc - never a "return" in terms that they can understand (ie: money!)

I agree with you that it's not particularly "fair", but that's the way it is.. maybe watch Wall Street some time (the original, not the pi$$-poor sequel) and watch how much effort Charlie Sheen's character has to go through in the first half hour of the film to get noticed/ahead.

kraggy

Why are replying "no, I work flextime"? The thread is about quantity of hours not when you work.

You can be on flexitime and be asked to work overtime, and be paid for it.

Crooked Jack

toexpress wrote: »

Call me what you like. At the end of the day I have a huge number of CVs that are sitting here people who will happily take the job.

Great. So you're a successful thief. Still nothing to be proud of.

TwoShedsJackson

Kaiser2000 wrote: »

That's fine maybe if you have a union backing you, but in the "real world" of private enterprise you are expected to be "flexible" and work extra when needed - especially if you ever plan to get ahead in the place.

And this is expected because unscrupulous employers will attempt to get their exsisting workforce to work overtime without pay. They fail to see the short-sightedness of this approach - stressed and/or discontent employees will lead to higher staff turn over and less efficency by those that are there.

If they removed their eye from their bottom line for a moment and actually thought longer term, they would see that it would probably be more beneficial to hire an extra employee.

But thinking long term, and thinking beyond your greed, is something that most employers are spectacularly bad at.

Steven81

It all depends what profession you are in, if you sign your contract and are on salary you know you wont be out at the time you finish at but instead when all your jobs are finished. If i was to walk out and leave a m/c down i would be kicked out that fast. Wife always told me to leave on time but then again she is in the other sector.

kraggy

kraggy wrote: »

Why are replying "no, I work flextime"? The thread is about quantity of hours not when you work.

You can be on flexitime and be asked to work overtime, and be paid for it.

Working extra hours on flexitime means no paid overtime, it means you get them back in lieu.
Maybe there are places where they mix it with overtime pay somehow, but I can't imagine it. Not unless you work up an insane amount of hours you're never going to get back; they'll pay you for some of that.

toexpress

toexpress wrote: »

Call me what you like. At the end of the day I have a huge number of CVs that are sitting here people who will happily take the job.

Of course you do. People are desperate. Doesn't make what you're doing right. I despise people like you who exploit their staff because they can. If you're not making enough money, it's because you're not good at what you do. Screwing over your staff and making them work every hour God sends and expecting them to be grateful for it is not the way to go about creating a successful business. People have the right to expect some sort of life outside work and to get paid fairly for the work they do.

I don't get how employers don't see that the short-term screwing over of staff never really works in the long term. My boss is loading more and more work onto me, stuff that was never mentioned in the job description or at the interview. I'm salaried but it's a crap salary. I already perform very well, do plenty of extra stuff and come in early most days and now he's expecting more and more admin to be done for free. I'm normally a loyal employee but he's p*ssed all of us off to the extent that we're all looking elsewhere now. If we leave, he'll find it almost impossible to replace us. I took one day off sick last week and the place nearly collapsed. I wish some people would realise that they have hardworking, capable, reliable employees and treat them properly instead of trying to squeeze every last drop out of them. :mad:

steve9859

Cyrus Scarce Crosswalk wrote: »

Of course you do. People are desperate. Doesn't make what you're doing right. I despise people like you who exploit their staff because they can. If you're not making enough money, it's because you're not good at what you do. Screwing over your staff and making them work every hour God sends and expecting them to be grateful for it is not the way to go about creating a successful business. People have the right to expect some sort of life outside work and to get paid fairly for the work they do.

I don't get how employers don't see that the short-term screwing over of staff never really works in the long term. My boss is loading more and more work onto me, stuff that was never mentioned in the job description or at the interview. I'm salaried but it's a crap salary. I already perform very well, do plenty of extra stuff and come in early most days and now he's expecting more and more admin to be done for free. I'm normally a loyal employee but he's p*ssed all of us off to the extent that we're all looking elsewhere now. If we leave, he'll find it almost impossible to replace us. I took one day off sick last week and the place nearly collapsed. I wish some people would realise that they have hardworking, capable, reliable employees and treat them properly instead of trying to squeeze every last drop out of them. :mad:

How is it screwing over staff if they are paid a fair wage for what they are doing? I work well in excess of the European working hour directives with no overtime, but my salary more than compensates. I work on my projects rather than watching the clock. Sometimes I work longer, sometimes I have a bit of flexibility to take short days and work from home.

You are ranting without knowing all the facts. The poster may well pay his employees a good wage for what they are doing. Also, he might not, but your rant is somewhat onne-sided

Ray Palmer

Worked in a lot of places and it is standard practice to reward bad project management.
One place you would estimate a piece of work at 15 days. The PM would say that is too long and the client won't pay for it cut it to 10 days. Makes the project plan with 10 days. Then you are stuck with something that takes 15 days but only given 10. To meet the deadline you had to do overtime.
Normally it would actually take about 16-17 days work as you would run on empty. But the project manager gets a bonus for getting 15 days work for the cost of 10. You might be questioned why you had to do so much overtime on a 10 day project and god forbid it took 11 days.
Would accept this occasionally but it developed into everything. 12-14 hour days. The sob stories about the company was struggling and we'd all be out of work if we didn't keep up the pressure.
MD buys a penthouse, a new boat, new car and has a HUGH wedding black tie event. Literally paid for by our free labour. Never do it again but people still work for him and they aren't paid well. Everybody who has left instantly is better off financially and personally. I can't tell you why but it is hard to leave after that much commitment to something.

steve9859

steve9859 wrote: »

How is it screwing over staff if they are paid a fair wage for what they are doing? I work well in excess of the European working hour directives with no overtime, but my salary more than compensates. I work on my projects rather than watching the clock. Sometimes I work longer, sometimes I have a bit of flexibility to take short days and work from home.

You are ranting without knowing all the facts. The poster may well pay his employees a good wage for what they are doing. Also, he might not, but your rant is somewhat onne-sided

It's not about what he's paying, it's his attitude that his staff should dedicate their lives to his business, work as much as he needs them to and be grateful for it. It's a horrible attitude. I've worked in places where I've had to do overtime, but it was appreciated and well compensated. The managers understood that we had lives outside work. I don't get the impression that this poster appreciates or values his staff, highlighted by the 'I have a pile of CVs on my desk' comment. One of those comments uttered by managers who think they're God's gift to the world and see their employees as faceless drones who can be replaced immediately if they dare complain about anything.

Sure, work is work and it is an employers' market, but I despise that attitude and find it counter-productive in the long run. Being fair and understanding goes a long way towards creating a workplace with a positive atmosphere and loyal staff.

Red_Wake

Cyrus Scarce Crosswalk wrote: »

If you're not making enough money, it's because you're not good at what you do.

That's some sweeping generalisation you've got there champ.

Red_Wake

Red_Wake wrote: »

That's some sweeping generalisation you've got there champ.

Fine, there are other reasons. But it doesn't sound like it's the employees' fault that the business isn't doing well. If I had a boss who refused to pay me overtime but expected me to do the work, I would walk. Especially with that sense of entitlement. Very different to having a reasonable boss who ASKS (not demands and threatens to replace you) you to help them out from time to time for no extra pay.

Ray Palmer

Ray Palmer wrote: »

Worked in a lot of places and it is standard practice to reward bad project management.
One place you would estimate a piece of work at 15 days. The PM would say that is too long and the client won't pay for it cut it to 10 days. Makes the project plan with 10 days. Then you are stuck with something that takes 15 days but only given 10. To meet the deadline you had to do overtime.

Did anyone ever start saying a 15 day project would take 20 days to get it "cut" to 15?

Ray Palmer

bluewolf wrote: »

Did anyone ever start saying a 15 day project would take 20 days to get it "cut" to 15?

Of course we did it just became a farce. Everything would breakdown promises were made and then old ways would return.

Happens a lot in IT but that was the worst.

Agile development is meant to address it but again a bad PM screws it up. It is a system that is kind of created to get them away from the project.

Smcgie

So am I the only one barr two others here that get 200% (double time) straight away??

enda1

Self-employed and I charge by the hour.

Ray Palmer

Smcgie wrote: »

So am I the only one barr two others here that get 200% (double time) straight away??

One of the few but might not mean much if you get double €10 and others get €50 an hour and do an extra 5 hours in a week.

Odysseus

I have just been thinking a bit more about this, I am out of the clinic at closing time every day, if there was a serious issue with a client I would of course hang back. As I say I do get TOIL for any evening work I do. I also have my clinical supervision outside of clinic hours so I claim TOIL for that.

But there can be prep work that I do at home, which I could never claim for. A client might have a difficult symptom or an unusal history that would require me to do a lot of extra reading, and as I will always give client time the priority over reading/admin time that get done on my own time.

The same with training, due to cut backs I can no longer claim for training, I will be given the time to attend but had to find the fee myself. However, not all training happens during office hours, like tonight I will be attending a series of lectures relavent to my work, but will get nothing from work for it.

So I always try not to do any work related task after hours, but sometime it just can't be helped. I will always make sure I get every minute opf TOIL back though as my role is the only one that does not get paid over time when I do a evening clinic. Other disciplines get either OT or the choice of OT or TOIL, but for some reason it was decided than my discipline doesn't.

I have to agree with others here, companies that are abusing the current climate are being very short minded in their outlook, look after your staff and they will look after the company.

Irishcrx

I have to do some overtime maybe twice a month for a few hours in the evening and some days I stay back to get work done if it's busy. I get paid a salary like a lot here and just take the time back when I need to and it's fine that way.

I knew I would have to do it when I took the job as it's part of my job and I can gurantee most people on here were told the way it works when they were offered the job as well , other may be working towards promotions and the way things are at the minute you have to compete.

I'be always been flexible with my staff with overtime as well , if I ask them to do it I make sure they get the hours back when they need them I've never said no.

Thundercats Ho

8-5.30 normal working day with lunch from 1-2, which in practice is 8-6 with lunch at my desk. A tea break is making a cuppa and having it back at the desk (which is fine by me).
Crippling work load most of the time, and any concerns raised over the workload are met with laughter! one of my boss' comments was " why don't you go down onto the floor, put yourself through a band saw and come back up, sit at 4 desks and get the work done. Honestly mate, i dunno what to tell you, your gonna have to figure it out yourself" he then fúcked off on holiday..

An absolute minimum of 6 hours a week unpaid, which over a year works out at just shy of 2 months unpaid work.

to all those people saying 'only fools work for nothing' or 'come 5 i'm out the door' good for you. You obviously don't work for an absolute cúnt.

In short, do i get paid to work overtime?
DO I FúCK

kippy

Thundercats Ho wrote: »

8-5.30 normal working day with lunch from 1-2, which in practice is 8-6 with lunch at my desk. A tea break is making a cuppa and having it back at the desk (which is fine by me).
Crippling work load most of the time, and any concerns raised over the workload are met with laughter! one of my boss' comments was " why don't you go down onto the floor, put yourself through a band saw and come back up, sit at 4 desks and get the work done. Honestly mate, i dunno what to tell you, your gonna have to figure it out yourself" he then fúcked off on holiday..

An absolute minimum of 6 hours a week unpaid, which over a year works out at just shy of 2 months unpaid work.

to all those people saying 'only fools work for nothing' or 'come 5 i'm out the door' good for you. You obviously don't work for an absolute cúnt.

In short, do i get paid to work overtime?
DO I FúCK

How long have you worked there?

I don't get paid for "overtime" but generally have a flexible enough job. If the work is there to be done, I do it, if at some stage down the line I need an hour here or there off then the boss has no issues allowing that.
Most places I've worked in have had that flexible enough attitude because due to the nature of the job they know they might need you at short notice and the last thing you want in any work environment are bad working relationships.

ScumLord

strobe wrote: »

If you're working overtime and not getting paid for it, you're a ****ing retard.

Well that's a nice attitude, I work overtime for nothing because I'm the boss and I'm trying to keep people employed but if that's the attitude the plebs have I'm going to go out and fire them all right now!

TwoShedsJackson

ScumLord wrote: »

Well that's a nice attitude, I work overtime for nothing because I'm the boss and I'm trying to keep people employed but if that's the attitude the plebs have I'm going to go out and fire them all right now!

Do it. It would be worth it for the look on their faces when you tell them that it's because someone said something on the internet that you didn't like.

Thundercats Ho

kippy wrote: »

How long have you worked there?

5 Years.
Generally no hassle taking an hour off the odd time i've to nip to the doctor or something that can't be done out of business hours 'as long as i work the time back in'.

It's close to home and pay is just a little less than average industrial wage, so that's why i'm still here.

boatbuilder

I work in the public sector and there is no such thing as overtime for me.
Flexible working hours or "time in lieu" isn't available either.
Moral of the story = don't do work outside normal hours or you're doing it for free.

Rowley Birkin QC

Some very short sighted attitudes on display here.