Do you get paid to work Overtime?

Smcgie

Talking with a few friends last night and it may be naive of me, but I thought everyone got paid for overtime! Two of my friends get nothing for overtime only a pat on the back and they said they are expected to do it to keep their jobs. They stay on working for between 8-10 hrs a week and get zilch!

Where I work we get double pay straight away for any hour we work over 8 hours.
It's also not a public sector job

So people of AH, do you get paid for overtime & If so at what rate? If you don't why the hell are you doIng more than your contacted hours free? This obviously excludes the self employed.

krudler

course I do, anyone who works extra hours for no pay is a fool unless you run your own business.

Stheno

Nope, haven't for about 15 years.

It's a standard clause in most contracts on a salary and not an hourly rate that you may be expected to do overtime and it's unpaid.

kneemos

Management are often expected to work overtime I think.

Grudaire

Flexitime...

I love it except for the lack of overtime pay :-(

emeraldstar

Nope, so I don't do it. Once that clock hits 17:30 I'm gone. Not a minute later.

Zebra3

Yep, get paid overtime.

Treble time for 25 December. :pac:

godtabh

On an hourly rate now so I get paid for every hour I work. Before under certain circumstances I'd get paid over time or get the time back. As long as its flexible I dont see the issue

Death and Taxes

Smcgie wrote: »

Talking with a few friends last night and it may be naive of me, but I thought everyone got paid for overtime! Two of my friends get nothing for overtime only a pat on the back and they said they are expected to do it to keep their jobs. They stay on working for between 8-10 hrs a week and get zilch!

Where I work we get double pay straight away for any hour we work over 8 hours.
It's also not a public sector job

So people of AH, do you get paid for overtime & If so at what rate? If you don't why the hell are you doIng more than your contacted hours free? This obviously excludes the self employed.

Self employed , so no I dont get overtime!:(

hardCopy

kneemos wrote: »

Management are often expected to work overtime I think.

I've never heard of managers in any job getting overtime.

I used to get overtime in a previous job but only at the standard hourly rate.

Now I'm on salary and any extra work is unpaid.

Seaneh

I worked in a restaurant in athlone a few years ago, contract was for 40 hours a week, I worked about 70 hours a week on average for the month I was there, I inquired as to why I was only paid for working 40 hours and was met with "sure, thats what your contract is for" c*nts.

I didn't stick around for very long after that.

Crooked Jack

Seaneh wrote: »

I worked in a restaurant in athlone a few years ago, contract was for 40 hours a week, I worked about 70 hours a week on average for the month I was there, I inquired as to why I was only paid for working 40 hours and was met with "sure, thats what your contract is for" c*nts.

I didn't stick around for very long after that.

You should have sued the cunts. Or at least stole a load of stuff.

Uriel.

nope, I don't get a cent overtime.
Working on average 10 hrs a week overtime and some weeks (once every 5 weeks or so) I work a full extra day without pay.

It's kinda expected of me, though I could perhaps put the foot down, but I am desperately hoping to get promoted in the next 12 months so I will keep it up. If I get passed over for promotion, then I will probably reappraise my view on unpaid overtime.

L.Jenkins

No overtime for me as I'm on a salary with flexitime.

Zebra3 wrote: »

Yep, get paid overtime.

Treble time for 25 December. :pac:

At the rate, I'd look for every small menial job to keep me on for the day and as long as possible. Don't think an employer would pay me my rate at triple time for xmas, 60 euro an hour or nearly 500 for the day.

Crooked Jack

In my current place I get TOIL, which is absolute bull**** because there is so much overtime required that you never actually get a chance to take the time you've earned off.
In the last place I worked there was overtime pay but it was taxed so heavily that it was pointless doing it.

smash

Most companies don't pay overtime and most contracts just state that you may be required to work overtime if asked.

Crooked Jack

Itzy wrote: »

No overtime for me as I'm on a salary with flexitime.



At the rate, I'd look for every small menial job to keep me on for the day and as long as possible. Don't think an employer would pay me my rate at triple time for xmas, 60 euro an hour or nearly 500 for the day.

Look at you and your €20 an hour job

Smcgie

Uriel. wrote: »

nope, I don't get a cent overtime.
Working on average 10 hrs a week overtime and some weeks (once every 5 weeks or so) I work a full extra day without pay.

It's kinda expected of me, though I could perhaps put the foot down, but I am desperately hoping to get promoted in the next 12 months so I will keep it up. If I get passed over for promotion, then I will probably reappraise my view on unpaid overtime.

I seen this being abused before and the 'promotion' never been given.. Look at it this way they could see you as a weak negotiator because you haven't asked them about overtime.

Its a funny world when it comes to who is selected for promotion - its often the most outspoken people from my experience.

BASHIR

Nope salary, not expected to do over time but if it is needed on the very rare occasion, we get the hours off another time. handy if I want to get off early on a friday

Flexitime

Bigcheeze

emeraldstar wrote: »

Nope, so I don't do it. Once that clock hits 17:30 I'm gone. Not a minute later.

Probably puts you top of the "who can we afford to fire list" :pac:

krudler

kneemos wrote: »

Management are often expected to work overtime I think.

Probably to make up for the lack of work during regular time :pac:

TwoShedsJackson

Bigcheeze wrote: »

Probably puts you top of the "who can we afford to fire list" :pac:

Depends on how much work he does while he's there. You'll often find that people who endlessly moan about how busy they are and how they have to stay back hours to keep up with their work, are some of the laziest, least productive fu<kers out there.

Crooked Jack

Bigcheeze wrote: »

Probably puts you top of the "who can we afford to fire list" :pac:

Nah, he's just right. There is a girl here comes in at 9.01 and leaves at 17.29 every day on the dot, wether she's in the middle of something or not.
She's been doing that for two years while I am in early most mornings and won't leave until i get everything finished. Were on the exact same money and in this place always will be. Who's the fool?

Zebra3

smash wrote: »

Most companies don't pay overtime and most contracts just state that you may be required to work overtime if asked.

Link?

Sleepy

Salaried so no, no overtime for me. My working day can be anything from 7.5 hours to 17/18 hours if I'm travelling (regular trips over and back to the UK in the one day).

biko

No, but I counter by spending my time on boards mohahahaha

smash

Zebra3 wrote: »

Link?

Link to what? If you're not paid by the hour and are on a salary you generally wont be paid overtime.

TwoShedsJackson

Crooked Jack wrote: »

Nah, he's just right. There is a girl here comes in at 9.01 and leaves at 17.29 every day on the dot, wether she's in the middle of something or not.
She's been doing that for two years while I am in early most mornings and won't leave until i get everything finished. Were on the exact same money and in this place always will be. Who's the fool?

Assuming it's not time-sensitive stuff, why would you bother doing this? Only if you thought this would 'get you ahead' would you do it, but in most cases management won't give a toss. Especially if, as you acknowledge, you're not getting paid overtime.

SeaFields

Have a choice to take it in either pay or extra holidays at flat time.

Herself doesnt get paid for extra hours but gets time and a half holidays for every hour worked. Very handy.

CruelCoin

Smcgie wrote: »

Talking with a few friends last night and it may be naive of me, but I thought everyone got paid for overtime! Two of my friends get nothing for overtime only a pat on the back and they said they are expected to do it to keep their jobs. They stay on working for between 8-10 hrs a week and get zilch!

Where I work we get double pay straight away for any hour we work over 8 hours.
It's also not a public sector job

So people of AH, do you get paid for overtime & If so at what rate? If you don't why the hell are you doIng more than your contacted hours free? This obviously excludes the self employed.

For people wroking in IT thats pretty normal. You're expected to do 10 extra to keep your 40.

Myself, i'm in the family business, and there are no normal hours.

Whether i work 10 hours or 12 or 14, i get paid the same.

Seaneh

Crooked Jack wrote: »

You should have sued the cunts. Or at least stole a load of stuff.

Should have to be honest. Too late now.

Lollipops23

Nope.
I'm in at least 30-45mins early most days, but rarely stay late. It's a 9-5.30 job (officially), and salary based so it wouldn't be the done thing to get overtime.

Crooked Jack

Seaneh wrote: »

Should have to be honest. Too late now.

It's not too late to steal stuff

Ray Palmer

Most salary jobs don't pay overtime. Jobs that pay instant overtime tend to be low paid.
Worked in lots of places and it amazes me how staff end up with good an bad conditions. State and semi state can have great deals on flexi and overtime. Flexi really is a form of paid overtime IMHO.

One company I worked did an on call duty. You had a phone and if the clients had a problem you dealt with it. Fair enough but they paid €20 to you for this and if it rang you were meant to get €50. Except the company charged the client €100k for the out of work hours support. If they rang the number and it wasn't a fault another €1k for ringing when they shouldn't.
Now when you had the phone you couldn't spend your day as you liked as you might have to go to the office. The customers would ring all the time over minor issues or just questions. You were rarely given the extra amount for taking a call including a 4 hour support call on a Sunday.
I just refused to take the phone as the rate was terrible and was not legal as you were meant to get 25% of your normal pay to be on call. For some unknown reason most people agreed to the deal. One guy took 12 calls over a weekend and they still only gave him €40 yet they took in 12k. They didn't even give him the extra he was due. He still works there too and he got about 20% increase in salary in the 10 years he has been there. This is IT years experience jumps your salary a lot.

Shenshen

Only coming towards quarter end.
Any time during the quarter, if there's work to be done, you stay late. You might be able to take some of the time off another day.

My husband's in a similar situation, he's expected to work late and work weekends when required, but he does not get any overtime paid at all, ever. He gets some time added to his vacation entitlement, which he's having a hard time taking anyway due to workload.

Uriel.

Smcgie wrote: »

I seen this being abused before and the 'promotion' never been given.. Look at it this way they could see you as a weak negotiator because you haven't asked them about overtime.

Its a funny world when it comes to who is selected for promotion - its often the most outspoken people from my experience.

It sure is, I will know in approx 3 months regarding promotions hopefully, so if they are abusing that, then my hrs will be reduced dramatically.

When they are down 50 hours of man work per month they'll know what him them then... absolutely no shortage of workload in my job... we are always playing catch up seems.

annascott

No. I am on a salary not a wage. We do not get paid overtime but we do get Time off in Lieu (TOIL) which gives us the hours back.

mitosis

krudler wrote: »

course I do, anyone who works extra hours for no pay is a fool unless you run your own business.

I run my own business, so O/T is unpaid. In fact, regular time has gone unpaid a couple of times in recent years

I can flexi time so if I work over time on one day I just take it off another day as I personally see fit. so I tend to work longer monday to thursday and then work hardly at all on Friday.

Odysseus

Don't do much O/T but get TOIL @ time and a half for the same bit I do.

heroics

I work in IT. In the last Job it was salary and you got paid same no matter how many hours you worked. Did that for 7 years eventually got fed up with the empty promises of promotion etc and left

In current job I get OT for every hour extra worked (1.5 during week and first 4 hour Sat then double time) and also get on call allowance for the weeks I am on call (extra 66% of weekly salary).

I guess it depends on the company. My other half works 10-12 hour days never gets OT but it is just expected if she wants to keep her job and do well

Zebra3

smash wrote: »

Link to what? If you're not paid by the hour and are on a salary you generally wont be paid overtime.

A link to the claim you made about most companies not paying overtime.

Ray Palmer

During the Celtic tiger days I was contracting. I would get double time on Saturdays but only do a half day. The system was down so they decided to send us home. Made sure they knew that I would still be putting in for the full half day at double time. They agreed.
It was the same as somebody handing me €4 (after tax) every minute for an hour as I ate breakfast and read a magazine. That won't happen again:(

Bigcheeze

Ray Palmer wrote: »

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One company I worked did an on call duty. You had a phone and if the clients had a problem you dealt with it. Fair enough but they paid €20 to you for this and if it rang you were meant to get €50. Except the company charged the client €100k for the out of work hours support. If they rang the number and it wasn't a fault another €1k for ringing when they shouldn't.

These arguments make no sense. They're making a return on a product they had probably invested millions in, not charging 100k to chat to you.

It's like saying those fools in China making iphones for 50 cents while the company is selling them for €600!

BizzyC

Well my "official" work hours are 7-4.30
Normal work hours are 7-6

No overtime, and will only ever get time off in lieue if I come in on a weekend/holiday.


Edit: I do get the added bonus of ****loads of stress and mediocre pay though!

0ph0rce0

On a salary too.

Get asked all the time to do a few extra hours, Says in my contract I must be flexible.

So I'm flexible from 9 to 5 and they get told to **** off after that. Not working for no pay no matter what the contract says.

smash

Zebra3 wrote: »

A link to the claim you made about most companies not paying overtime.

I think it's clear by the level of responses here.

x43r0

On a salary so no paid overtime here (Investment Bank). Come to think of it, I don't think I've ever worked a 9-5 day. Earliest I've ever left work was probably 6 and usually in about half 8.

Sometimes it depends on the job. I could work the bare 9-5 but I probably wouldn't get all of my work done which leads to either (a)a bollocking the following day or (b) me presenting sub-standard work and my performance review ultimately taking a hit.

I don't mind doing it though - Those banker bonuses that people always seem to be talking about take the pain out all the overtime :pac:

kippy

Cliste wrote: »

Flexitime...

I love it except for the lack of overtime pay :-(

The taxman can't tax your time off.

Ray Palmer

Bigcheeze wrote: »

These arguments make no sense. They're making a return on a product they had probably invested millions in, not charging 100k to chat to you.

It's like saying those fools in China making iphones for 50 cents while the company is selling them for €600!

Not really as they charged for the product and regular support. They then sold them an extra service without agreement with employees. They were charging 100k to chat with me and 1k when they did. Little or no cost to the company.
Product created with free overtime due to unrealistic estimates. They were also paying below legal requirements at the time. €20 for 14 hours on call and nothing for extra hours worked.
I understand your argument just not true in this case.