Why would an Irish person wear a poppy ?

WoollyRedHat

An Irish person should wear a poppy, so as to refuse to be defined by those imperialist dogs across the sea, who try to claim everything and dictate the way things should be... I'll wear a poppy, because I like to wear poppies, **** the man!!!

And tomorrow, I might wear poppies and daisys, I don't have to have a reason, just because I want to.

RossyG

Nodin wrote: »

Are you implying the victims of bloody sunday were "scumbags"?

Dear-oh-dear! Wake up at the back there!

The poster was referring to a "murdering scumbag army" which I, for comedic purposes, took to interpret as an army who murdered scumbags.

Said scumbags were fiction, as was the idea that Fratton Fred controlled an army.

So there's really nothing there for you to try and score points off.

Wade in the Sea

thecommietommy wrote: »

After all it's for a foreign army, I don't see anyone wearing an emblem for the French, American, Spanish army. Ok some say it's for charity for injured British soldiers, but surely if they join up it's up to the British govt to properly look after them when they are injured and not pestering people expecting charity ?

1. In 1914 "southern Ireland" was a part of the British Empire so the British army was not a foreign army. The men who served predominantly served in Irish regiments like, the Irish Guards and various Munster, Leinster, Connaught divisions and fusilier regiments.


2. An Irish person would wear the poppy in memory of the Irishmen, and especially family members, who fell during the two world wars.


Hope this answers your question. Well done on poll. Never realised the poppy had become so acceptable. Such a change from not so many years ago. Maybe we are finally starting to mature as a nation taking pride in our past instead of always looking back with bitterness.

billybudd

RossyG wrote: »

Nice bit of goalpost moving.

By the way, I didn't know Fratton Fred owned the British Army. Still, if they go around murdering scumbags then it can't be a bad thing, can it?

Who exactly is the scumbag? i think i know.

FF suprised you thanked this post. one thing to argue a point, one other to be thanking a scumbag.

Fratton Fred

billybudd wrote: »

Who exactly is the scumbag? i think i know.

FF suprised you thanked this post. one thing to argue a point, one other to be thanking a scumbag.

what??

Odysseus

Don't know if this was posted already, I doubt it somehow! I was down visiting ny mothers this morning, if she can get to mass she watchs it on the TV. Mass was from Drogheda today, I would say about 80-90% of people there wre wearing poppies; they must have given them out on the way in.

I don't know the full story, but a minister was also present and with the day that is in I hear part of the sermon was about wars and the people who serve in them. I don't have any issues with people wearing poppies, both my grandfathers served in WWI. I was suprised at the amount of people wearing a poppy, even the choir wore them.

I did not pay much attention to the mass but at the same time I was happy to see it happen. Anyway thatis my 2c.

billybudd

RossyG wrote: »

Dear-oh-dear! Wake up at the back there!

The poster was referring to a "murdering scumbag army" which I, for comedic purposes, took to interpret as an army who murdered scumbags.

Said scumbags were fiction, as was the idea that Fratton Fred controlled an army.

So there's really nothing there for you to try and score points off.

Backtracking, certainly there was no humour or sarcasm in your post.

billybudd

Fratton Fred wrote: »

what??

Well you thanked the post did you not?

RossyG

billybudd wrote: »

Backtracking, certainly there was no humour or sarcasm in your post.

What, the one where I said Fratton Fred owns the British army?

RossyG

billybudd wrote: »

Who exactly is the scumbag? i think i know.
.

Do tell.

one other to be thanking a scumbag.

Oh, you mean me.

Thanks.

end of the road

Wade in the Sea wrote: »

Never realised the poppy had become so acceptable.

well in fairness most irish people now days accept any old thing, they just sit there and take everything thats thrown at them.

Wade in the Sea wrote: »

Maybe we are finally starting to mature as a nation

we always were mature as a nation.

Wade in the Sea wrote: »

taking pride in our past

we always did, some people take pride in our boys fighting the british in 1916.

Wade in the Sea wrote: »

instead of always looking back with bitterness.

i don't believe condemning what the british army did in the north is (looking back with bitterness) but each to their own.

billybudd

RossyG wrote: »

Do tell.



Oh, you mean me.

Thanks.

Full stop. after the British army. Still if they go around murdering scumbags.

Aodh Rua

Wade in the Sea wrote: »

1. In 1914 "southern Ireland" was a part of the British Empire so the British army was not a foreign army.

Patently, it was - unless you're contending that military might makes moral right? Are you? By that thinking all other countries and peoples living under British occupation - about 22% of planet earth in 1914 - were not fighting against a "foreign army" when they fought back/for freedom.

yard_king

keith wood was wearing a poppy on the rugby on bbc yesterday , BOD and rob kearney were not , i guess woody is staff so felt the pressure to

billybudd

Wade in the Sea wrote: »

1. In 1914 "southern Ireland" was a part of the British Empire so the British army was not a foreign army. The men who served predominantly served in Irish regiments like, the Irish Guards and various Munster, Leinster, Connaught divisions and fusilier regiments.


2. An Irish person would wear the poppy in memory of the Irishmen, and especially family members, who fell during the two world wars.


Hope this answers your question. Well done on poll. Never realised the poppy had become so acceptable. Such a change from not so many years ago. Maybe we are finally starting to mature as a nation taking pride in our past instead of always looking back with bitterness.

So if you invite someone into your house and they refuse to leave because all of a sudden they think that house should be theirs, then that is ok because obviously they are no longer a foreign entity? and this is lawful how? Then/now?

RossyG

billybudd wrote: »

Full stop. after the British army. Still if they go around murdering scumbags.

Presuming you're being serious and not just trolling, you seem to have spiralled off into absurdity.

I didn't mention the Bloody Sunday victims in my post, someone else did. I'm not sure why they equated scumbags with those unfortunate individuals, but there it is.

You seem very quick to find offensive where none was intended.

Oh, and sorry to Fratton Fred for having dragged him into this ridiculous bickering.

Piliger

Nodin wrote: »

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/6567529/Iraq-Investigation-into-new-claims-of-torture-by-British-soldiers.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/nov/06/iraq-prisoner-abuse-court

Should have given them medals.

Piliger

yard_king wrote: »

keith wood was wearing a poppy on the rugby on bbc yesterday , BOD and rob kearney were not , i guess woody is staff so felt the pressure to

Or the others are just pathetic.

Madam

Piliger wrote: »

Should have given them medals.

They probably did - after all they are all 'hero's':rolleyes:

RossyG

Madam wrote: »

They probably did - after all they are all 'hero's':rolleyes:

They were collecting for Help For Heroes in my local Sainsbury's the other day. I slunk away. I don't wish them ill or anything but dubbing everyone a hero just because they don a uniform completely devalues the word. If they're all heroes what happens if one of them does something really heroic. Or if another one tortures a suspect?

It seems to be dying down now, but a year or so ago there was a very unhealthy attitude to the armed forces amongst certain types in the UK. There was an underlying sense of coercion to it, as well. You will support our boys, or else. Judging by online posts from serving soldiers, they were just as uncomfortable about it.

I remember one silly woman on BBC's Question Time saying, "The army shouldn't be doing what the government say; the government should be doing what the army say." It was up to William Hague of all people to point out that military dictatorships don't tend to be good things.

billybudd

RossyG wrote: »

Presuming you're being serious and not just trolling, you seem to have spiralled off into absurdity.

I didn't mention the Bloody Sunday victims in my post, someone else did. I'm not sure why they equated scumbags with those unfortunate individuals, but there it is.

You seem very quick to find offensive where none was intended.

Oh, and sorry to Fratton Fred for having dragged him into this ridiculous bickering.

I point something out and you think i am trolling? My issue was the quip of murdering scumbags there is a fine line sometimes between war hero and murderer.

Aodh Rua

Piliger wrote: »

Should have given them medals.

They shouldn't. At least in the view of moral, decent and educated citizens of the western world they should not.

But, I suppose, they were wearing British uniforms and therefore they can do no wrong in the eyes of people without that morality or decency. Tribe over humanity, and all that.


Saddening, depressingly saddening. The really sad thing is that there are so many lovely, open-minded, intelligent British people who would have no truck with the tribalism of this British poppy fascism - but they are not represented on this forum. Jon Snow has been mentioned, but many, many other British people are embarrassed at how the poppy and a romanticised British nationalist interpretation of war is being forced upon people.

RossyG

billybudd wrote: »

I point something out and you think i am trolling? My issue was the quip of murdering scumbags there is a fine line sometimes between war hero and murderer.

If it helps, I don't think the soldiers behind Bloody Sunday were heroes. I wouldn't call them scumbags either, mind, just scared young men with guns in a situation they weren't able to cope with. Perhaps there was an element of dehumanising going on, as well.

I suppose Bloody Sunday was our Kent State massacre; innocent protesters gunned down by panicking young people who should never have been there in the first place.

The scumbags I had in mind in my original post were troublemaking chavs and knackers. I certainly wasn't thinking of the Bloody Sunday victims. As I said, that one came from someone else.

billybudd

RossyG wrote: »

If it helps, I don't think the soldiers behind Bloody Sunday were heroes. I wouldn't call them scumbags either, mind, just scared young men with guns in a situation they weren't able to cope with.

I suppose Bloody Sunday was our Kent State massacre; innocent protesters gunned down by panicking young people who should never have been there in the first place.

The scumbags I had in mind in my original post were troublemaking chavs and knackers. I certainly wasn't thinking of the Bloody Sunday victims. As I said, that one came from someone else.

FFS and you think im trolling? Murder is never ok, we have laws and courts that decide right from wrong.

There was two bloody sundays in Ireland, the BA were murderers in both!
Frankly this post is sickening.

Aodh Rua

billybudd wrote: »

There was two bloody sundays in Ireland, the BA were murderers in both!

There were, and people often forget Bloody Sunday in 1887 which was against British coercion in Ireland was thus also intrinsically connected with Ireland.

Bloody Sunday 1887

"Two thousand police and 400 troops were deployed to halt the demonstration. In the ensuing clashes many demonstrators, including women and children, were badly beaten. Some demonstrators were injured and at least three died of the injuries they received. 200 were treated in hospital."

Madam

They were not 'panicky young people' either! They were a crack squad(supposedly) of First Battalion, The Parachute Regiment - I know because my brother was a serving member - long after Bloody Sunday - my mother never spoke to him for nearly a year after joining(we come from a Nationalist/Republican background on her side)!

RossyG

billybudd wrote: »

Murder is never ok, we have laws and courts that decide right from wrong.

There was two bloody sundays in Ireland, the BA were murderers in both!
Frankly this post is sickening.

Again, you seem to be finding offence where none was intended.

I was talking about the 1970s Bloody Sunday. I don't think murder is ok. I don't think that incident was right. The soldiers who did it were wrong. Why do you keep implying that I think otherwise?

Wade in the Sea

billybudd wrote: »

So if you invite someone into your house and they refuse to leave because all of a sudden they think that house should be theirs, then that is ok because obviously they are no longer a foreign entity? and this is lawful how? Then/now?

No, simply that the British army at that time was the official army.

mattjack

Aodh Rua wrote: »

There were, and people often forget Bloody Sunday in 1887 which was against British coercion in Ireland was thus also intrinsically connected with Ireland.

Bloody Sunday 1887

"Two thousand police and 400 troops were deployed to halt the demonstration. In the ensuing clashes many demonstrators, including women and children, were badly beaten. Some demonstrators were injured and at least three died of the injuries they received. 200 were treated in hospital."

FFS,Is this ever going to end ?... I'm pissing myself laughing here.Soon we'll be looking for leprechauns under the beds.

Madam

mattjack wrote: »

FFS,Is this ever going to end ?... I'm pissing myself laughing here.Soon we'll be looking for leprechauns under the beds.

Nasty and does not equate! Continue with the pissing though:rolleyes: