Things youth defence hates..

kylith

Just reading it now. Did they really smear poo on their own building and blame the pro-choice side?

Bannasidhe

kylith wrote: »

Just reading it now. Did they really smear poo on their own building and blame the pro-choice side?

The little ****s.


:pac:

Corkfeen

kylith wrote: »

Just reading it now. Did they really smear poo on their own building and blame the pro-choice side?

I wouldn't be surprised tbh, they are awfully good at slinging it...

kylith

I'd heard it was done, but I hadn't come across any updates detailing the DNA profiling or whatever.

Not that I'd be surprised, TBH. A group that'll park a billboard like theirs right across the road from the Rape Crisis Centre and then lie about it being stuck in traffic wouldn't be above framing their opponents. Rather a literal take on mud slinging though....

Bannasidhe

kylith wrote: »

I'd heard it was done, but I hadn't come across any updates detailing, IDK, the DNA profiling or whatever.

Not that I'd be surprised, TBH. A group that'll park a billboard like theirs right across the road from the Rape Crisis Centre and then lie about it being stuck in traffic wouldn't be above framing their opponents. Rather a literal take on mud slinging though....

I have four dogs so if they need some more **** I'd be happy to supply it.

Corkfeen

kylith wrote: »

I'd heard it was done, but I hadn't come across any updates detailing the DNA profiling or whatever.

Not that I'd be surprised, TBH. A group that'll park a billboard like theirs right across the road from the Rape Crisis Centre and then lie about it being stuck in traffic wouldn't be above framing their opponents. Rather a literal take on mud slinging though....

I really want to see an episode of CSI where they identify the origins of the turd... Wouldn't like to be the garda on that detail...Toilet humour..

Sarky

They'd claimed one night that someone had stuck leaflets to their building with faeces. The photos they supplied were of leaflets taped to the walls from at least a week before they'd thought of the faeces thing.

I don't think anyone stuck sh*t on their walls. it was a poor attempt at playing victim on their part my making sh*t up. Much like the invisible traffic by the rape crisis center.

kylith

Sarky wrote: »

They'd claimed one night that someone had stuck leaflets to their building with faeces. The photos they supplied were of leaflets taped to the walls from at least a week before they'd thought of the faeces thing.

I don't think anyone stuck sh*t on their walls. it was a poor attempt at playing victim on their part my making sh*t up. Much like the invisible traffic by the rape crisis center.

Thanks for that. I know that they say 'shít sticks' but it's not generally known as an adhesive.

Sarky

That's how it goes as far as I can remember, anyway, but that might not be wholly accurate either. If the heat hadn't turned my brain into a puddle of bubbling goo, I'd probably be able to find links.

J0hnick

For those who missed how the Youth Defenses site looked when it was hacked today

http://i.imgur.com/Whui52W.jpg

Don't suppose anyone managed to save the text from the site ?, would love to run it through a screen reader and make a video about it.

donspeekinglesh

This is not the hate-filled truth-distorting website you're looking for.
Note: We the Irish do not appreciate US organisations pouring money into shady groups here to try change our rules and society for their own gains. Youth Defence has been the seed of more hatred here that any group in a long time. It has to stop.

Youth Defence is not what you think it is. Youth Defence is an extremist group who actively hide their links to shady right-wing connections and where their funding comes from. Let's blow the lid.

Neo-Nazi Links
Original leaders include Fr. Maurice Colgan (more on him below) & Justin Barret, a man with known links to neo-Nazi movements (speaking at NDP events in Germany) and who has campaigned in the past against divorce, contraception & gay rights. In his book he has even described immigration as “genocidal”. He has also spoken at multiple Forza Nuova (Italian far-right group) rallies in the past. Recently, it was shown that current leaders have been known to associate themselves with the likes of, Michael Quinn, a prominent member of the Irish far-right group, the Irish National Brotherhood (INB) who happens to be a proud fan of the Greek far-right political party the Golden Dawn and who constantly tweets about his hatred for 'negros'. Quinn would like us to believe that when the IMF assisted Ireland during the bailout one of the terms they demanded was that Ireland needed to install abortion on demand. It has been revealed that Quinn is a close friend of a certain Fr. Maurice Colgan. Colgan, as you may know since you are visiting this cesspit of a website is a founding member of Youth Defence. Certainly, Fr. Colgan's Neo-Nazi sympathies cannot be denied, he even once lived with a certain Anthony Barnes (lead singer of the whiney, untalented Dublin Neo-Nazi band, Celtic Dawn). What would the church say of this relationship? A man, cohabiting with another man and their shared affinity with the far-right.

Let us not forget too, that both he and Barret were arrested after violence broke out and member of An Garda Siochana were assaulted when the Youth Defence thought it would be a nice idea to protest outside the rooms of terminally ill patients at Adelaide Hospital in 1999.

Charity Status?
Youth Defence are classified as a charity, in Irish law a charity must disclose donations over €100 and are not allowed to accept donations over €2500. They have yet to allow the Public Office Commission to see where they are getting their money from. Given the scope of their advertising campaign it can only be assumed that they are receiving funds from an individual or a group who they don't want the public to know about. But what we do know is that they are certainly funded from outside of Ireland by right-wing neo-conservative Americans (more below). Indeed, if you were screwed up enough to donate to Youth Defence you would have noticed that on their donation form the currency was American dollars. It has only recently been changed to the currency of Ireland, the Euro. This website isn’t even hosted in Ireland. It’s on a North American server.

Inflated Numbers
It has recently been shown too that the vast majority of Youth Defence’s Twitter followers are not Irish. 59% of followers are from the USA and Canada. Only 14% are from Ireland. It’s also been shown that their Facebook page (around 72,000 Likes), 38,000 are from the USA, while only 9,000 are from the island of Ireland.

Office Association & Hiding the Books
Youth Defence claim to be based at Life House, Number 60a, Capel Street, Dublin. The small office is shared among quite a few anti-choice organisations. They include: Coir, the Life Institute, the Mother & Child Campaign, Pro-Life Alliance, prolifeinfo.ie, Truth TV, and of course Youth Defence. That’s quite a few different organisations running from one small office. You’ve got to wonder whether funds are transferred between them legally. Probably not, what a silly question. Irish authorities have never been allowed to get their hands on their accounting books. Why, you ask. Well, these crafty so-and-so’s continue to evade the authorities. An Irish registered charity must document all donations above a certain amount. However, Youth Defence and their cohorts, while it’s plain to see are lobbying entities (funded by charity), refute this and claim they are “education spreading” entities. Let’s take a look at who are really funding Youth Defence and their sister organisations:

Where the Funding Comes From
Are they funded by Irish anti-choice campaigners?

To a small extent, but the vast amount of money comes from America. Sure, if you’ve ever even attended one of their organised events you’ll have noticed that a huge proportion of the people attending are not only not Irish, they aren’t even European. It’s well known that North American fundamental Christians are flown in to boost their numbers.

Why does the funding come from America?

Well, that’s easy to answer, if these 3 American men below can secure Ireland as remaining without abortion then they can use our country as a beacon for their anti-choice campaigns in America. They can show that Ireland remains strongly Catholic, and the last great bastion of Christian faith in Europe, fighting the so-called “good fight”.

They have zero problem with Irish women leaving Ireland for Britain to have abortions. Zero. They just want Ireland to remain “abortion free” so they can claim a moral victory in Western Europe and try to push for a similar occurrence in America.

These men, play on the emotions of Irish-Americans and sure, don’t we all know that the plastic paddy diaspora know what’s best for us. Those who actually live thousands of kilometres away from the coal-face. Those who chose to leave Ireland, let’s remind ourselves that while we all have, and know plenty of families that have been decimated by immigration, it was always a choice. Not since the days of Cromwell have people been forced to leave Ireland. Now, thankfully, those that look back at the auld sod and see us as still being the backwater we were when they left are taking it upon themselves to try and dictate things from afar. Sure, it’s for our own good, they quite clearly have our best interests at heart. We’re too close to the action, sure how could we know what’s best? We only effing live here!

Let’s take a gander at these specimens of men.

Joe Scheidler (Founder of the Pro-Life Action League)

Known as the man who “defined pro-life direct action”. He once penned a book entitled “Closed - 99 Ways to Stop Abortion”. Where chapters include titles such as: Sidewalk Counselling, Adopt an Abortionist, Strategies for Closing Abortion Mills, and Getting Pro-Life Information into High Schools. The last one particularly applies to Ireland, haven’t you heard recently about some Irish schools where the sex education book being used encourages abstinence and discourages all types of contraception? Well, that’s thanks to one of the above “education spreading” organisations.

Scheidler’s link with Ireland is quite dubious, he simply sees Ireland as somewhere that the battle against abortion can actually be won and wants to use the ‘success’ of Youth Defence & the Life Institute here as a springboard for his campaigns in the good old U.S. of A. This is a man who once described the protection of abortion clinic workers as nothing more than “an event the media are focusing on the take attention away from Obama’s failed domestic financial policies”.

He once tracked down an 11 year old pregnant girl, (he’d seen a report about her on TV, and then hired a private investigator) to her house where he confronted the girl’s mother (screaming from a neighbouring balcony and armed with a loudspeaker) to try and convince them to not go through with an abortion.

Oh, and how do we know he’s one of the ones behind the funding of the Irish operations? Well, that’s easy, he admitted it in an interview with the Sunday Business Post not so long ago. He believes that those who carry out abortion procedures and the women who have the procedure done should face the death penalty. He also believes that America is involved in a civil war against pro-choice activists. He has described Don Benny Anderson, responsible for the kidnapping of abortion clinic worker Dr Hector Zevallos and his wife, and Peter Burkin, who carried out firebombing attacks on two abortion clinics, as “sound as a dollar”.

He’s clearly loopy, yet he’s somehow allowed to run fundraising campaigns in the States to fund the likes of Youth Defence here.

Scott Schittl

Schittl is American and moved to Ireland around 1998 and studied in Trinity College. On obtaining Irish citizenship in 2005, he bailed out and returned to the States where he is now president of Life House. Where have we seen that name before? Oh yeah, on Capel Street in Dublin. Life House are an “... American, tax-exempt organisation... [whose] purpose is to help make sure Ireland remains pro-life and abortion-free, and make it easier for Americans to support Ireland's pro-life success story”. How nice of them to send some money our way, you gotta love those plastic paddies, they always know what’s best for us, stuck here in our rain-soaked homeland.

Michael Sullivan

Finally! One with an Irish surname at least, but fear not, he’s not actually Irish either, he just lived here for 10 years. Sullivan is a founding member of the Divine Mercy Project. He’s also a founding member of a group called Go First Ministries, “a Catholic outreach to persons who experience same sex attraction” in other words, where Catholic teens are sent by their conservative, homophobic parents to try to pray their homosexuality out of themselves.

Sullivan also campaigns for funds to be sent to Ireland, so as to keep Ireland abortion free and because he believes “that Ireland is a key to the re-evangelisation of the world”.

The Ancient Order of Hibernians

The single greatest organisation of plastic paddies the world has ever seen. Ultra Catholic and ultra conservative. They still believe that Kathleen Ni Houlihan is alive and well and that the menfolk of Ireland still walk our rain-sodden streets with flat caps and shillelaghs and wood pipes and the womenfolk wear shawls and dance barefoot at crossroads. The above three prey on the rose-tinted, distant memories of the members of the Ancient Order of Hibernians (cool name and all that it is) and receive vast amounts of dollars to spend on anti-choice campaigns held in the homeland of their distant, distant ancestors, y’know, the ones who left Ireland, by choice, a long, long time ago.

They also believe that EU law, (the one that says Ireland needs to clarify its stance on abortion) “emanates from Britain”.

Scare Tactics, Illegal Advertising & Propaganda
Youth Defence have been constantly smearing the country with their billboards, posters and leaflets, all of which are misleading, most of which are outright lies. They contain the following filth:

Images of aborted foetuses (although some are photos of healthy C-section babies, but let's not let facts get in the way of their lies) and other death porn
Unsavoury captions
Flyers detailing that babies have been born so their organs could be harvested
Robocalls, people have been pestered with hateful messages by an autodialler
Eddie Shaw, headmaster of Harold School in Dublin put leaflets in children's school bags
They do this for one reason, to scare rational minded people into doing what the Youth Defence want them to. Even the way they talk is geared that way:

Youth Defence's propaganda-like guide entitled “When They Say… You Say” includes:

Don’t say DOCTOR, PHYSICIAN – say ABORTIONIST
Don’t say PRO-CHOICE – say PRO-ABORTION
Don’t say ANTI-ABORTION – say PRO-LIFE
Don’t say FOETUS – say UNBORN CHILD, PRE‐BORN CHILD, BABY
Here is some of the lies currently being told over and over:

Savita Praveen Halappanavar. Youth Defence still believe that her death was “not caused by Ireland's ban on abortion”
The harvesting of baby organs. They actually tell people that abortion happens in some cases to provide the father with organs from the baby!
Lying about Fine Gael’s pre-election promise. The promise was to talk about the issue, not to keep the same law
Smearing human faeces on their own building (claiming it wasn’t them)
Bragging that the Irish Times “reported” that there were 10,000 people at an organized Youth Defence event. What the Irish Times actually said was this:
Organisers –Youth Defence, the Life Institute, and Family and Life – estimated that more than 10,000 people attended the vigil. Gardaí would not confirm a figure when contacted. So, in fact, they boasted about their estimation. Good job, lads.
Violence
Let’s have a look at some violent incidents their ‘non-violent’ protests have been involved in:

1992

In 1992 on Thomas Street, Dublin, Youth Defence attacked and assaulted pro-choice campaigners, causing many injuries.

1994

6th July 1994, Youth Defence attacked a group of Pro-Choice protesters in Buswells Hotel, opposite Dáil Eireann. Youth Defence members came into the hotel and threw missiles at both the protesters and ordinary customers. The Gardaí arrived and put both groups out into the street, where scuffles continued for some time. The Gardaí intercepted a Youth Defence van containing a gang of men armed with hurleys and other weapons.

1995

In 1995, a number of Youth Defence members were arrested after their picket became violent outside the office of Co. Wexford T.D., Brendan Howlin, Irish Minister of Health at the time.

1998

1998, 12 Youth Defence members occupied the Marie Stopes Reproductive Choices clinic on Blessington Street. An elderly staff member was physically assaulted.

1999

In 1999, members of staff of the Irish Family Planning Association were assaulted. The association’s clinic on Cathal Brugha Street was occupied by hundreds of Youth Defence supporters, and the IFPA’s director, Tony O’Brien, was continually harassed. Among the group were 40 Americans, led by Fr. Pat Mahoney of the Washington DC group 'Christian Defense Coalition'.

Following the occupation, Youth Defence continued to picket the IFPA clinic and also plastered the city with 'anonymous' posters claiming that Tony O’Brien, director of the IFPA, 'Exports Irish Babies for Slaughter'. The poster included a picture of Tony O’Brien.

In 1999, the Adelaide Hospital incident spoken about above, where Youth Defence members decided to protest outside the rooms of terminally ill patients.

Also in 1999, The Ulster Pregnancy Advisory Service in Belfast announced that it was closing down as a result of the intimidation and pickets placed on its members by the 'Precious Life' group. An arson attack and burglary incident had also taken placed at the UPAA office. Precious Life, based in Ballymena, is the Northern branch of Youth Defence.

Questions we want you to think about
Do these people have your interests at heart?
If what they're trying to achieve is truly right then why do they need to lie so much?
Why do they think that they are exempt from Irish law?
Why do they continue to not allow Irish authorities to look at how they receive their funding?
Read more
Users list deleted. Sorry, didn't think about the privacy concerns. Everybody is allowed their own views.
Youth Defence on Wikipedia
Justin Barrett on Wikipedia
River of Bile on Steroids
My challenge to Youth Defence about fundraiser Joseph Scheidler disrupting abortion clinics
School chair resigns in anti-abortion row
YOUTH DEFENCE FLOUTS DCC RULES
Youth Defence articles on Broadsheet
The Problem with Youth Defence
Youth Defence unrepentant as eight convicted
Opposite The Dublin Rape Crisis Centre
Clashes with Youth Defence 1992 – 1995
Why American Pro-Life Dollars Are Pouring Into Ireland
Youth Defence billboard posters not covered by advertising standards
Youth Defence in U-turn over rape claims backlash

Mark Hamill

J0hnick wrote: »

Don't suppose anyone managed to save the text from the site ?, would love to run it through a screen reader and make a video about it.

First post in this thread.

Sarky

I can't imagine they're fond of this being republished:

I Was A Member Of Youth Defence

IT-Guy

Sarky wrote: »

I can't imagine they're fond of this being republished:

I Was A Member Of Youth Defence

Cheers for that Sarky, was an interesting read. Got a few flashbacks to how prevalent and authoritarian their attitudes were in the 90's, oppressive and depressing! Una Mac Mathuna sounds like the clichéd traditional Irish mammy straight out of Jimín!

Did anyone catch the Vinny Brown show tonight? I caught the last 30 mins and am very glad it was only that much. William Binchy and Cora Sherlock were on and my blood pressure rose every time they spoke, outright liars the pair of them :mad:

Sarky

Wasn't watching, but I saw a wonderful post on Twitter:

In fairness, if we're going to start jailing women for lying about "suicidal ideation" we could probably start with Cora Sherlock. #vinb

Turtwig

I went from watching Arrested Development to watching that Vincent Browne stuff. The contrast was painful to the say the ultimate least. :eek:

IT-Guy

Sarky wrote: »

Wasn't watching, but I saw a wonderful post on Twitter:

Jernal wrote: »

I went from watching Arrested Development to watching that Vincent Browne stuff. The contrast was painful to the say the ultimate least. :eek:

Frustrating stuff to watch, William Binchy actually wants another referendum! I was stunned, he's living in a delusional bubble if he thinks public opinion is on the pro-life side for this bill. The vote tomorrow night will be interesting, will FG really prove to Cora Sherlock they value hare coursing over the lives of the innocent baaaaaayyybbbies :pac:

Corkfeen

J0hnick wrote: »

For those who missed how the Youth Defenses site looked when it was hacked today

http://i.imgur.com/Whui52W.jpg

Don't suppose anyone managed to save the text from the site ?, would love to run it through a screen reader and make a video about it.

Here you are :
http://webcitation.org/6HykTrxkz

stanley 2

NotForResale wrote: »

I'm trying to keep a running tally of things youth defence and their members/leaders are against.

And so far i have:

Anti-Choice(no citation needed here)

Homophobic
Homophobic naturally that includes marriage and proud about it


Against the HPV vaccine for school girls

Against IVF treatments they other publicans on this too. More on IVF and more.

Anti-Contraception : this had been pointed out the reading materiel they are offering to schools which exclusively promotes abstinence. They are not fond the pill . Possibly condoms also.


Anti-immigration or racist to an extent. Its member/spokesperson Justin barret(Also protested against legalization of Divorce) Admits attending and speaking at far-right neo-nazi meetings. While another long term member Micheal Quinn (a founding member of the DRM an anti-immigration irish white nationalist movement)was also seen at their most recent belfast rally. he even filmed himself


The EU, i forgot http://www.coircampaign.org/.

Ononism! aka masturbation.

censorship for others but not for them.

I need to know, is there anything im missing?

Things youth defence likes:


Metaphysics well this is just creepy

Bad science also

mother or child dieing on abortion table

28064212

stanley 2 wrote: »

mother or child dieing on abortion table

Nope, just child. They've proven time and time again they have no interest in what happens to the mother

PopePalpatine

Yes, these pro-lifers seem very sympathetic...

lazygal

Youth Defence, a lovely bunch of lads. Very Christian and compassionate.

bumper234

lazygal wrote: »

Youth Defence, a lovely bunch of lads. Very Christian and compassionate.

Ah yes but only to other "Compassionate Christians" all of us other heathen sinners can burn in hell fire or some other fairy tale:)

kylith

stanley 2 wrote: »

Ononism! aka masturbation.

I always get a chuckle when the religious go on about Onanism. Onan didn't masturbate, he practised the withdrawal method of contraception which, ironically, is the only method recommended by the RCC

Aiel

So Youth Defence are hateful eh? They've had poo and urine sprayed on their offices and cars. They've been followed home and had poo etc put through their letter boxes. Had eggs, rocks and fish thrown at them. Vile letters sent to their homes and offices and nuisance (sp) phone calls at all hours of the night. I find it very ironic that they are called hateful etc when what is being done to them is extremely hateful.I know 2 wrong's don't make a right but there is also 2 sides to every story!!

bumper234

Aiel wrote: »

So Youth Defence are hateful eh? They've had poo and urine sprayed on their offices and cars. They've been followed home and had poo etc put through their letter boxes. Had eggs, rocks and fish thrown at them. Vile letters sent to their homes and offices and nuisance (sp) phone calls at all hours of the night. I find it very ironic that they are called hateful etc when what is being done to them is extremely hateful.I know 2 wrong's don't make a right but there is also 2 sides to every story!!

They have also done all of the above so i guess both are as bad as each other huh? YD preach about sinning and then go and sin...makes them hypocrites in my eyes.

lazygal

Aiel wrote: »

So Youth Defence are hateful eh? They've had poo and urine sprayed on their offices and cars. They've been followed home and had poo etc put through their letter boxes. Had eggs, rocks and fish thrown at them. Vile letters sent to their homes and offices and nuisance (sp) phone calls at all hours of the night. I find it very ironic that they are called hateful etc when what is being done to them is extremely hateful.I know 2 wrong's don't make a right but there is also 2 sides to every story!!

The YD press releases really need a good editor before being published.

Corkfeen

Eggs, rocks and fish thrown at them? This one's news to me, are they inventing more stories for eventual Martyrdom?Would somebody mind posting a long list of what YD has done wrong, don't forget them parking one of their billboards outside of a rape crisis centre!

robindch

kylith wrote: »

I always get a chuckle when the religious go on about Onanism. Onan didn't masturbate, he practised the withdrawal method of contraception which, ironically, is the only method recommended by the RCC

I'm not sure the Vatican permits withdrawal -- though I'm willing to be proved wrong on that.

The Vatican does permit, probably for fairly obvious reasons, the unreliable rhythm method which is still known as Vatican Roulette amongst people of a certain generation.

robindch

Aiel wrote: »

So Youth Defence are hateful eh? They've had poo and urine sprayed on their offices and cars.

From reports I read some while ago, I gather there were suspicions that YD operatives had done that themselves in order to smear -- please forgive the use of the term -- the pro-choice side.

I didn't see the those reports receive much coverage and I don't know what ultimately happened to them, but given the general tone of YD's activities in this country, at the very least, these suspicions are plausible.