Things youth defence hates..

NotForResale

I'm trying to keep a running tally of things youth defence and their members/leaders are against.

And so far i have:

Anti-Choice(no citation needed here)

Homophobic
Homophobic naturally that includes marriage and proud about it


Against the HPV vaccine for school girls

Against IVF treatments they other publicans on this too. More on IVF and more.

Anti-Contraception : this had been pointed out the reading materiel they are offering to schools which exclusively promotes abstinence. They are not fond the pill . Possibly condoms also.


Anti-immigration or racist to an extent. Its member/spokesperson Justin barret(Also protested against legalization of Divorce) Admits attending and speaking at far-right neo-nazi meetings. While another long term member Micheal Quinn (a founding member of the DRM an anti-immigration irish white nationalist movement)was also seen at their most recent belfast rally. he even filmed himself


The EU, i forgot http://www.coircampaign.org/.

Ononism! aka masturbation.

censorship for others but not for them.

I need to know, is there anything im missing?

Things youth defence likes:


Metaphysics well this is just creepy

Bad science also

joseph brand

Against contraception.

How does that work for married couples with kids who don't want more kids?

I may have had a few Beamish, but, am I missing something? Should they try abstinence or perhaps using 'the back door' would suffice?

One would expect the church to support the gheys, since they don't need birth control. :pac:

Furthermore, what the jaysus is religion doing lurking in a chemist? Medicine, religion. Is there some connection?

NotForResale

joseph brand wrote: »

Against contraception.

How does that work for married couples with kids who don't want more kids?

I may have had a few Beamish, but, am I missing something? Should they try abstinence or perhaps using 'the back door' would suffice?

One would expect the church to support the gheys, since they don't need birth control. :pac:

Furthermore, what the jaysus is religion doing lurking in a chemist? Medicine, religion. Is there some connection?

With the catholic church sex is for the purpose of procreation, so to be having it even within marriage and using contraception would be considered sinful. to add to that i have heard mention that abstinence within marriage itself could be considered sinful as nobody is making babies then.

stanley 2

you forgot childabuse (abortion)

Actor

NotForResale wrote: »

I'm trying to keep a running tally of things youth defence and their members/leaders are against.

And so far i have:

Anti-Choice(no citation needed here)

Homophobic
Homophobic naturally that includes marriage and proud about it


Against the HPV vaccine for school girls

Against IVF treatments they other publicans on this too.

Anti-Contraception : this had been pointed out the reading materiel they are offering to schools which exclusively promotes abstinence. They are not fond the pill


Anti-immigration or racist to an extent. Its member/spokesperson Justin barret(Also protested against legalization of Divorce) Admits attending and speaking at far-right neo-nazi meetings. While another long term member Micheal Quinn (a founding member of the DRM an anti-immigration irish white nationalist movement)was also seen at their most recent belfast rally. he even filmed himself


I need to know, is there anything im missing?

Whatever about YD say, you're the one with the problem - you certainly seem to hate them (which is blatantly obvious from your misrepresentations).

NotForResale

stanley 2 wrote: »

you forgot childabuse (abortion)

See "Anti-choice".

You and them agree in other areas too

NotForResale

Actor wrote: »

Whatever about YD say, you're the one with the problem - you certainly seem to hate them (which is blatantly obvious from your misrepresentations).

Where are the misrepresentations?

Actor

NotForResale wrote: »

Where are the misrepresentations?

You accuse YD of being "homophobic" (a fear of homosexuals), yet cite some "indymedia" and "broadsheet" articles - both heavily leftist in their editorial policies. You really ought to try harder if you're going to try to brand an organisation as being "homophobic".

joseph brand

There was a program on RTE about the old tenement houses in Dublin. They were swarming with children. Women were basically baby-making-machines. When the husband got home from work, it didn't matter if his wife wasn't in the humour for sex, he was getting it. The church said so. Ahhh, the good ol' days.

Because women had up to fifteen or so children, this meant that they also gave birth to two or three still born babies. There was no counselling back then. Just get on with it.

The program showed photos of the little white coffins.

The children lived in poverty, which was exacerbated by the churches views on parenthood. I mean, if you're struggling to raise two or three children, what's it going to be like with twelve? You could say your prayers, but what's that going to achieve.

Best person to ask for answers on raising a family is a deluded celibate man. :rolleyes:

joseph brand

stanley 2 wrote: »

you forgot child abuse (priests)

FYP

StupidLikeAFox

They're anti-craic

Actor

joseph brand wrote: »

There was a program on RTE about the old tenement houses in Dublin. They were swarming with children. Women were basically baby-making-machines. When the husband got home from work, it didn't matter if his wife wasn't in the humour for sex, he was getting it. The church said so. Ahhh, the good ol' days.

Because women had up to fifteen or so children, this meant that they also gave birth to two or three still born babies. There was no counselling back then. Just get on with it.

The program showed photos of the little white coffins.

The children lived in poverty, which was exacerbated by the churches views on parenthood. I mean, if you're struggling to raise two or three children, what's it going to be like with twelve? You could say your prayers, but what's that going to achieve.

Best person to ask for answers on raising a family is a deluded celibate man. :rolleyes:

What would you suggest for the inhabitants of tenemants? Condoms? (or perhaps a sock in the early 20th century?)

NotForResale

Actor wrote: »

You accuse YD of being "homophobic" (a fear of homosexuals), yet cite some "indymedia" and "broadsheet" articles - both heavily leftist in their editorial policies. You really ought to try harder if you're going to try to brand an organisation as being "homophobic".

my apologies, i had no idea you where incapable of following the link on broadsheets article to the homophobic youth defense pdf https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B3Ivl7XmaaV4SDVQV05QWTlWemc/edit?pli=1

Actor

NotForResale wrote: »

my apologies, i had no idea you where incapable of following the link on broadsheets article to the homophobic youth defense pdf https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B3Ivl7XmaaV4SDVQV05QWTlWemc/edit?pli=1

Fail to see any homophobia. Perhaps you can pass me?

Also, all those happy smiley youthful photos must really get up your goat!

NotForResale

Actor wrote: »

Fail to see any homophobia. Perhaps you can pass me?

Also, all those happy smiley youthful photos must really get up your goat!

no you're just pretending it isn't homophobia, did you even go to page 14? are you just being deliberately obtuse?

and it was picked up by boards.ie users years ago too
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=221779

and you're ignoring the **** its supporters pull at "rallies" http://i.imgur.com/568Bb.png

Esel

I found this thread via New Posts, but now I have to change my Nic name.....

joseph brand

I think there's a banner in that image that says 'Pro choicers are idiots'.
Oh the irony. Coupled with the fact that there are women fighting for their right to NOT be able to choose. They're supporting ideas thought up by men. It's like turkeys voting for Xmas.

NotForResale

joseph brand wrote: »

I think there's a banner in that image that says 'Pro choicers are idiots'.
Oh the irony. Coupled with the fact that there are women fighting for their right to NOT be able to choose. They're supporting ideas thought up by men. It's like turkeys voting for Xmas.

That was their 2011 rally. it looks like they just scrawled those on the back of their acid house smiley signs.

MrPudding

joseph brand wrote: »

I may have had a few Beamish, but, am I missing something? Should they try abstinence or perhaps using 'the back door' would suffice?

Up the bum, no harm done?

MrP

Corkfeen

Actor, you claim that everything that is posted in this forum is a misrepresentation but you can't provide any evidence of such misrepresentation. You just blame it all on the liberal media etc. Strange that.

stanley 2

pulling 7 month pregnant women off the street and forcing them to have abortions yes that would be another thing i would agree with them against what about yourself

Actor

NotForResale wrote: »

no you're just pretending it isn't homophobia, did you even go to page 14? are you just being deliberately obtuse?

and it was picked up by boards.ie users years ago too
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=221779

and you're ignoring the **** its supporters pull at "rallies" http://i.imgur.com/568Bb.png

Nah, being against gay "marriage" is not homophobia. You're confused.

lynski

Perhaps homophobic might be an imprecise description, but is there a word for wanting to withhold rights from some people that the rest of the population have?
I have a real problem when it comes to opposition to universal marriage rights, i just can't fathom the reason for it, i have tried to get my head around it but i cant. I totally fail to see how the affection one person holds for another has anything to do with anyone apart from those 2.
I cant comprehend how in 2012 we have the continued inequality in our society.
This has nothing to do with the religious rite of marriage, just the societal, secular, marriage rights and protections.
For centuries the churches have stood over marriage for political, financial, family ties, and other, more sinister, reasons, they have watched, directed and supported women being sold into marriage for centuries. In the case of some religions this is still going on. for them to be so high and mighty about the sanctity of marriage is laughable.

Ellis Dee

They are all staunchly against masturbation. Every one of them that I've ever told to go and have a good **** when he thrust his foetus porn pictures into my face has immediately launched into a rant against "the sin of onanism" or just put on a gob that expressed utter disgust at the idea of tugging one off. :)

I sort of pity them, but maybe they'll grow out of it.;);)

That's the males. I guess what the women need is an intensive course of fcuk therapy.:D:D

I bet they hate pepper spray as well, but unfortunately it's illegal in Ireland.:(

wonderfulname

Actor wrote: »

Nah, being against gay "marriage" is not homophobia. You're confused.

Refering to equal marriage rights as gay "marriage" is, can you provide a valid reason for denying a section of the population civil rights? Because I've yet to hear one, and without that it's nothing more than homophobia dressed up as religious concern.

Ellis Dee

stanley 2 wrote: »

you forgot child abuse (kiddy-fiddling)

FYP

Although, tbh, I don't believe Youth Defence has devoted much of its time or energy to condemning predatory priests and the kiddy-fiddler church's cover-ups of same. But maybe 6-8 years old are no longer Youth-ful enough for them.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Delirium

of course opposing same-sex marriage is homophobia, you're discriminating against a group of people solely because they're homosexual.

MrPudding

koth wrote: »

of course opposing same-sex marriage is homophobia, you're discriminating against a group of people solely because they're homosexual.

I think he is trying a kind of silly semantic meaning of words game. It is not homophobia because phobia means scared and he is not scared of them (though I reckon he probably actually is).

@ Actor, would it be more accurate if we called it homodislike or homohatred? Would that more accurately fit your view?

MrP

Madam_X

stanley 2 wrote: »

pulling 7 month pregnant women off the street and forcing them to have abortions yes that would be another thing i would agree with them against what about yourself

What the fuk does that mean?!

Delirium

MrPudding wrote: »

koth wrote: »

of course opposing same-sex marriage is homophobia, you're discriminating against a group of people solely because they're homosexual.

I think he is trying a kind of silly semantic meaning of words game. It is not homophobia because phobia means scared and he is not scared of them (though I reckon he probably actually is).

@ Actor, would it be more accurate if we called it homodislike or homohatred? Would that more accurately fit your view?

MrP

Exactly my thinking on the matter

MrPudding

Onixx wrote: »

What the fuk does that mean?!

Presumably the abductions, likely involving black helicopter and the secret Euro Army, where the women are taken to the multistory abortionplex which is a requirement of the Lisbon treaty so the women can get their compulsory abortions.

Please, keep up.

MrP

Actor

wonderfulname wrote: »

Refering to equal marriage rights as gay "marriage" is, can you provide a valid reason for denying a section of the population civil rights? Because I've yet to hear one, and without that it's nothing more than homophobia dressed up as religious concern.

Ah right, so being for the welfare of children and against gay "marriage" is homophobia now? Whatever floats your boat.

Actor

MrPudding wrote: »

@ Actor, would it be more accurate if we called it homodislike or homohatred? Would that more accurately fit your view?

Both terms are inaccurate. I'm against gays getting their hands on children, and I'm against sodomy.

oldrnwisr

Actor wrote: »

Ah right, so being for the welfare of children and against gay "marriage" is homophobia now? Whatever floats your boat.

What are you bleating on about now? How does making marriage available equally impact the welfare of children?

Oh and yes being against gay marriage is homophobia.

PopePalpatine

Has someone already said "secularism"?

MrPudding

Actor wrote: »

Both terms are inaccurate. I'm against gays getting their hands on children, and I'm against sodomy.

Are you, by any chance, a rereg of crumilcum (or whatever his name was)?

MrP

wp_rathead

Actor wrote: »

I'm against gays getting their hands on children

You should be more worried with Paedophiles getting their hands on children

and I'm against sodomy.

And I'm against corn on pizza- but if two consenting adults want to have corn on a pizza I say let them:)

Actor

oldrnwisr wrote: »

Oh and yes being against gay marriage is homophobia (in my opinon).

FYP. Of course your opinion doesn't have any weight.

fact. that's what they hate.

"only 50% of women said they were prolife out of 100 so let's pretend we only asked fewer than 100 so it looks like a bigger %"

"let's put up pictures of stillborn fetuses and pretend they're aborted for shock value"

Corkfeen

Actor wrote: »

oldrnwisr wrote: »

Oh and yes being against gay marriage is homophobia (in my opinon).

FYP. Of course your opinion doesn't have any weight.

Denying equal rights to black people would be considered racism so denying equal rights to gay people is homophobia..... You just use it under the guise of religion.

joseph brand

MrPudding wrote: »

Are you, by any chance, a rereg of crumilcum (or whatever his name was)?

MrP

I had him on my ignore list. Another poster who foams at the mouth while they bash their keyboard and type with their elbows.

I say we need more of them! :rolleyes:

oldrnwisr

Actor wrote: »

FYP. Of course your opinion doesn't have any weight.

No, opinion doesn't carry a lot of weight in a debate. Facts on the other hand, do.

homophobia, n.

1. (obsolete, individual occurrences) A pathological fear of mankind.
2. Fear, dislike or hate of homosexuals.

Denying someone equality because they are homosexual is by definition, homophobia. However, since the basis of your hostility towards gay marriage stems from your religious perspective, would you prefer the term bigotry instead?

Sonics2k

Actor is a charming little bundle of joy and and wonder isn't he.

Zombrex

Actor wrote: »

wonderfulname wrote: »

Refering to equal marriage rights as gay "marriage" is, can you provide a valid reason for denying a section of the population civil rights? Because I've yet to hear one, and without that it's nothing more than homophobia dressed up as religious concern.

Ah right, so being for the welfare of children and against gay "marriage" is homophobia now? Whatever floats your boat.

It is if your basis of opposition is based on an irrational fear of homosexuals and there behaviour.

Do you have any rational fears for the welfare of children if homosexuals are allowed marry? I doubt it.

old hippy

Actor wrote: »

Both terms are inaccurate. I'm against gays getting their hands on children, and I'm against sodomy.

Are you against sodomy between heterosexuals or is your dislike confined to homosexuals?

NotForResale

Sonics2k wrote: »

Actor is a charming little bundle of joy and and wonder isn't he.

I'm convinced he/she a troll. far too willingly ignorant.

old hippy

NotForResale wrote: »

I'm convinced he/she a troll. far too willingly ignorant.

A Youth Def spokesman, maybe?

Madam_X

Actor wrote: »

I'm against gays getting their hands on children

What do you think they'll do to them?

old hippy

Onixx wrote: »

What do you think they'll do to them?

I'm guessing Actor is one of these people who equates gays with paedophiles

Actor

Actor wrote: »

I'm against gays getting their hands on children.

yeah, i'm so traumatised

Actor

old hippy wrote: »

Are you against sodomy between heterosexuals or is your dislike confined to homosexuals?

Nope. Sodomy is sodomy.