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Grammar Nazi's: How do you feel about them?

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    #122
    Irishgoatman
    Registered Users Posts: 1,741 ✭✭✭Irishgoatman


    Nothingbetter2d wrote: »
    its got nothing to do with memory... as im also dyslexic i often will be thinking of what i want to type/write but when i type/write it, words often come out completely different to what im thinking.

    i have a fierce habit of thinking "the" but typing "to" or thinking "for" but typing "of".

    it happens so often that after while ya just don't bother correcting yourself anymore.

    having grammar nazis badger on about people's poor spelling/grammar just gets annoying.

    This is where the main problem is when it comes to correcting people.

    We don't know who is dyslexic and who is just lazy!.

    As I said, in an earlier post, if you can read and understand the post you have to let it go. Yes it can be very annoying but that's life for you.


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    #123
    Nothingbetter2d
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,037 ✭✭✭Nothingbetter2d


    a huge part of the problem for people with dyslexia is that there is very little support in schools for it... very very few of the normal school teachers are trained to identify students with dyslexia and even less are trained to help teach students with dyslexia.

    this leads to students becoming very frustrated in schools and thus just giving up and not really applying their potential because they are constantly getting poor marks for grammar and spelling and they know there isn't any help available.

    my youngest sister is also dyslexic but when i was in school my parents simply couldn't afford to get me specialist help... by the time my youngest sister was diagnosed my parents were better off and so WAS able to get the specialist help she needed... but it wasn't cheap and so i had to go without the help so she could have it.

    The Dept of Education needs to introduce a module for ALL school teachers to train as part of their teacher training program that will help them (a) identify students with dyslexia and (b) learn how to teach students with dyslexia. If they had the skills, & tools necessary to help kids with dyslexia, there would be a much lower rate of disruptive and poorly educated kids leaving school early.


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    #124
    Jester252
    Registered Users Posts: 5,533 ✭✭✭Jester252


    The one thing I don't get with grammar Nazis is why?
    Why do they do it? Is it to feel better about themselves or they don't like what your saying so instead of contributing a counter point they point of grammar failures to make it seem like they won?


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    #125
    tightropetom
    Registered Users Posts: 283 ✭✭tightropetom


    Does anyone think that this whole thread is just another way of trolling? The title almost invites grammar nazis to start looking for spelling/grammar mistakes. Has anyone noticed all the yellow cards being doled out? Granted, they've broken the forum charer, but I think this thread was like a carrot dangled in front of a donkey. :rolleyes:


    [Perhaps a "Mod warning in thread #1" announcement might save them from themselves]


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    #126
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,125 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    tightropetom wrote: »
    [Perhaps a "Mod warning in thread #1" announcement might save them from themselves]
    IMH if they haven't copped by now that grammar nazism is infractable, then they're the ones with reading and memory issues.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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    #127
    newmug
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,571 ✭✭✭newmug


    Jester252 wrote: »
    The one thing I don't get with grammar Nazis is why?
    Why do they do it? Is it to feel better about themselves or they don't like what your saying so instead of contributing a counter point they point of grammar failures to make it seem like they won?


    IMHO it's absolutely nothing to do with that (well, in most cases anyway). It's just like road rage, only for language / spelling / grammar.


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    #128
    RaRaRasputin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 394 ✭✭RaRaRasputin


    Dyslexia bla bla bla. There are people who are seriously suffering from it, like one of my friends who studies arts and spends ages on her written work, getting it spell checked and proof read because she is conscientious. She does not use her dyslexia as an excuse to have bad spelling and grammar and even she gets annoyed with people who think that having dyslexia is a free pass to just not make an effort.

    What pisses me off way more is the vast number of people who claim to have dyslexia only because they just can't be bothered to check their sentences. And believe me, they are plenty...


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    #129
    tampopo
    Registered Users Posts: 2,333 ✭✭✭tampopo


    deccurley wrote: »
    Actually, it should be Nazis not Nazi's

    +1


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    #130
    Sea Filly
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,213 ✭✭✭Sea Filly


    Wibbs wrote: »
    The chap actually has dyslexia and over his time here has improved in leaps and bounds with his spelling, by generally taking his time and using spellcheckers.

    Yeah, I've not been here long but I think it's obvious that he's dyslexic and not a bad/lazy speller.


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    #131
    Nothingbetter2d
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,037 ✭✭✭Nothingbetter2d


    RaRaRasputin wrote: »
    Dyslexia bla bla bla. There are people who are seriously suffering from it, like one of my friends who studies arts and spends ages on her written work, getting it spell checked and proof read because she is conscientious. She does not use her dyslexia as an excuse to have bad spelling and grammar and even she gets annoyed with people who think that having dyslexia is a free pass to just not make an effort.

    What pisses me off way more is the vast number of people who claim to have dyslexia only because they just can't be bothered to check their sentences. And believe me, they are plenty...

    trust me when u have people like you saying "its just an excuse to not spell check" CONSTANTLY you stop giving a sh!t about what they think.

    i generally do have to re-read everything i type before i post or edit to fix mistakes i made... but its not so easy to do that with handwriting.

    i think its even more sad they are such small minded busy bodies that they have to feel the need to be a pain rather than accepting it and moving on


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    #132
    RaRaRasputin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 394 ✭✭RaRaRasputin


    Maybe you should read my post again and concentrate a bit better?
    I was referring to a friend of mine who is dyslexic as well, and who gets annoyed by this non-caring attitude.


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    #133
    shopaholic01
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,916 ✭✭✭shopaholic01


    RaRaRasputin wrote: »
    Dyslexia bla bla bla. There are people who are seriously suffering from it, like one of my friends who studies arts and spends ages on her written work, getting it spell checked and proof read because she is conscientious. She does not use her dyslexia as an excuse to have bad spelling and grammar and even she gets annoyed with people who think that having dyslexia is a free pass to just not make an effort.

    What pisses me off way more is the vast number of people who claim to have dyslexia only because they just can't be bothered to check their sentences. And believe me, they are plenty...

    Some people are so severely dsylexic that they are unable to check their work. Up until recently, any child with a learning difficulty was labelled 'stupid' in child, and largely ignored in the classroom.


    You don't need to be so condescending - btw check your own post - I think you meant 'there are plenty':rolleyes:


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    #134
    Nothingbetter2d
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,037 ✭✭✭Nothingbetter2d


    RaRaRasputin wrote: »
    Maybe you should read my post again and concentrate a bit better?
    I was referring to a friend of mine who is dyslexic as well, and who gets annoyed by this non-caring attitude.

    i have read it... dyslexia comes in all forms and shapes....... there is no single type that defines you as dyslexic.

    some people struggle with forming sentences correctly

    some people spell words incorrectly

    some people write letters back to front

    some people (such as me) type different words than what we are thinking of.

    some people just cannot grasp puncutation right.

    its very frustrating at times particularily during exams and when writing essays, or answering discuss this type questions.


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    #135
    Pushtrak
    Registered Users Posts: 4,640 ✭✭✭Pushtrak


    Grammar Nazis are the opposite of batman, in that they are the heroes we need, but not the heroes we deserve. They get infractions.


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    #136
    CommanderC
    Registered Users Posts: 420 ✭✭CommanderC


    It depends. If someone posts in a forum and makes a valid/constructive point, then correcting a misspelling is a bit sad.

    On the other hand, if some imbecile, who hasn't bothered to grasp basic grammar and spelling rules, has the cheek to post ignorant comments such as some of the homophobic/racist/anti 'everything I didn't grow up with' posts that I've seen on boards then yeah, the latter should be told to p1ss off and open a fcuking grammar book.


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    #137
    stupidusername
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,762 ✭✭✭✭stupidusername


    I'm a bit bothered by the usual mistakes you see flying about in here. They do irritate, but I put up with it. The one that really gets to me is the incorrect use of 'your'. It causes me to re-read a sentence twice or three times, trying to make sense of it, and that's why it gets to me. It's nothing to do with superiority or anything like that. I don't correct anyone though, haven't in a long time. And yeah, grammar nazi's do get to me. They really only get to me when it seems they're just lurking, waiting for someone to spell something wrong, so they can swoop in and correct it. If that's all you're hanging around a thread for, well, then just **** off.


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    #138
    RaRaRasputin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 394 ✭✭RaRaRasputin


    shopaholic01 wrote: »
    Some people are so severely dsylexic that they are unable to check their work. Up until recently, any child with a learning difficulty was labelled 'stupid' in child, and largely ignored in the classroom.


    You don't need to be so condescending - btw check your own post - I think you meant 'there are plenty':rolleyes:


    No, I meant "they" and not "there". I was referring to the people I complained about.
    I didn't say anything against dyslexic people in general. I have something against people who think that being dyslexic excuses them from any responsibility to check their post. Everyone should do that anyway. I am not a native speaker and try to correct my mistakes before I post something. There is nothing wrong with typos or an odd mistake, but it's just common courtesy to deliver a sentence that is coherent.


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    #139
    Nothingbetter2d
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,037 ✭✭✭Nothingbetter2d


    RaRaRasputin wrote: »
    No, I meant "they" and not "there". I was referring to the people I complained about.

    they are plenty doesn't make sense in the context you typed :rolleyes:


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    #140
    RaRaRasputin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 394 ✭✭RaRaRasputin


    I think it does. Hang on...Were you not just complaining about people who are picking on a mistake rather than responding to an actual argument?


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    #141
    Pushtrak
    Registered Users Posts: 4,640 ✭✭✭Pushtrak


    "They are plenty" is fine by my reading.

    Edit: This is coming from someone who has to fight back the urge to correct people on errors I see. It wouldn't have even given me a pause or a desire to respond.


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    #142
    Nothingbetter2d
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,037 ✭✭✭Nothingbetter2d


    RaRaRasputin wrote: »
    What pisses me off way more is the vast number of people who claim to have dyslexia only because they just can't be bothered to check their sentences. And believe me, they are plenty...

    the context as i read it looks like you are saying that there is many people that do not bother check their sentences

    in that context "they are plenty" is incorrect grammar and as pointed out above, the correct grammar for that context would be "There are plenty"


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    #143
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,030 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    Does anyone else go back over a post, maybe a few hours later, and realise they've left out entire words!? Not just small words like 'and' or 'it' but a big one that renders the sentence nonsensical?

    I've often done it and thought to myself 'how in the name of muppetry did you manage that ya gob****e'? I reckon that it's something to do with my brain racing ahead with thoughts and the fingers trying to keep up typing them out.

    Anyway, we're not writing academic essays here FFS we're yapping on an internet forum for lols. I'd sacrifice good grammar for a bit more creativity and personality in my writing - no contest.


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    #144
    newmug
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,571 ✭✭✭newmug


    newmug wrote: »
    IMHO it's absolutely nothing to do with that (well, in most cases anyway). It's just like road rage, only for language / spelling / grammar.


    Just to keep with the road rage example, from a grammar nazi's POV, it's like when someone indicates left, but turns right. Or when someone doesn't dim their lights when coming towards you at night. You just think "FFS, how did that person get a license!"

    It has absolutely nothing to do with being condescending. On the contrary, you think the other driver is either stupid, or maybe there's something wrong with their wiring, or that they're the ones being inconsiderate and condecending. Either way, you automatically feel that they should do something about it, and drive properly from now on.


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    #145
    Pushtrak
    Registered Users Posts: 4,640 ✭✭✭Pushtrak


    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    Does anyone else go back over a post, maybe a few hours later, and realise they've left out entire words!? Not just small words like 'and' or 'it' but a big one that renders the sentence nonsensical?
    Not that, but what I have done is post words in the wrong sequence when I'm typing faster than usual. Which ends up resulting in me having to stop, go back and correct it which means I spend more time on my post than if I'd slowed down my typing a little bit.


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    #146
    Leeg17
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,127 ✭✭✭✭Leeg17


    Nothingbetter2d wrote: »
    in that context "they are plenty" is incorrect grammar and as pointed out above, the correct grammar for that context would be "There are plenty"

    It's still against the charter..


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    #147
    Nothingbetter2d
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,037 ✭✭✭Nothingbetter2d


    Leeg17 wrote: »
    It's still against the charter..

    true my point being it was annoying to be corrected like that.... now you know how someone dyslexic (such as myself) feels all the time when others do it to you.


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    #148
    old_aussie
    Registered Users Posts: 3,410 ✭✭✭old_aussie


    KeithM89 wrote: »
    Yeah youre still getting infracted if youre gonna be a grammar nazi here.
    Marcel Unkempt Stoicism wrote: »
    You're.

    So Keith, when are you going to ban Marcel Unkempt Stoicism? ;)


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    #149
    RaRaRasputin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 394 ✭✭RaRaRasputin


    Nothingbetter2d wrote: »
    true my point being it was annoying to be corrected like that.... now you know how someone dyslexic (such as myself) feels all the time when others do it to you.


    Yeah sure.
    At least a dyslexic grammar Nazi is something less conventional ;)


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    #150
    KeithM89_old
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,806 ✭✭✭✭KeithM89_old


    old_aussie wrote: »
    So Keith, when are you going to ban Frada? ;)

    Leeg bet me to it ;)


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    #151
    Irishgoatman
    Registered Users Posts: 1,741 ✭✭✭Irishgoatman


    Pushtrak wrote: »
    Not that, but what I have done is post words in the wrong sequence when I'm typing faster than usual. Which ends up resulting in me having to stop, go back and correct it which means I spend more time on my post than if I'd slowed down my typing a little bit.

    And then, when you've finally got it right, and hit "submit", half a dozen other people have made the same point as you were trying to do?.

    Yes indeed. Been there, done it, bought a dictionary.:D


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