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450 job losses announced at Iarnród Éireann

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    #212
    foggy_lad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,373 ✭✭✭✭foggy_lad


    kingshankly wrote: »
    The CCTV is constantly recording thru the black box .
    And if someone was being assaulted or even harassed I would have no problem with a passenger breaking the glass. But if the broke it to complain about a non working socket I wouldn't be too impressed I can hardly fix it
    People also don't want to put themselves forward as targets for the scrotes by using the intercom or stopping the train in the event of a more serious assault especially when there is no help or support on the train from Irish Rail.

    serious assults and anti-social behavious would be rare enough on trains hopefully so the main issues for passengers are small things like sockets not working, passsenger information systems not working, trains and toilets being filthy, reserved seats being occupied, snack trollys being porly stocked on return legs of trips etc etc etc and Irish Rail are offering absolutely nothing to passengers who are inconvenienced by these regular failures.


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    #213
    galait
    Closed Accounts Posts: 669 ✭✭✭galait


    Actaully in the real world like where I work the cleaning company have been dispensed with and the staff clean their own area's and the toilets are cleaned/maintained by staff who also have desk duites ,


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    #214
    markpb
    Registered Users Posts: 9,250 ✭✭✭markpb


    galait wrote: »
    Actaully in the real world like where I work the cleaning company have been dispensed with and the staff clean their own area's and the toilets are cleaned/maintained by staff who also have desk duites ,

    I also work in the "real world" and I've never heard of this happening anywhere else.


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    #215
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,586 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Unfortunately having used Irish Rail for a good few months a while back, I can agree that there are a few staff I would not mind seeing go who clearly do not care about customers, but most staff I generally don't have a problem with, just the ones who seem to view customers as a big inconvenience and don't really care.


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    #216
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,586 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    markpb wrote: »
    I also work in the "real world" and I've never heard of this happening anywhere else.

    Agree. Comes across as obvious trolling. I'm no fan of Irish Rail but some of the posting in this thread is way over the top.


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    #217
    galait
    Closed Accounts Posts: 669 ✭✭✭galait


    OK everytime a Toilet is blocked a contractor is called in and issues an invoice for €500/600 , Fact

    How would any proper business survive with such costs while staff can be idle and read the newspaper !


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    #218
    AlekSmart
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    galait wrote: »
    OK everytime a Toilet is blocked a contractor is called in and issues an invoice for €500/600 , Fact

    How would any proper business survive with such costs while staff can be idle and read the newspaper !

    I'd be less than certain of the term "Fact" here.

    Whilst I'm not certain of the IE sub-contracting arrangements I do know that the standard sub-contracts in other area's of the CIE group are somewhat more rigorous.

    For example on-site facilities maintenance contracts would be to a pre-agreed format,with provision made for emergency responses WITHIN the overall framework of the Contract Document.

    In all of the cases I'm aware of,the accepted tender is for a specified timeframe and payments are made on an annual basis,rather than on a specific itemized basis.

    Perhaps Galait is confusing an emergency call out to a Plumber or Service Person outside of the Facilities Maintenance contract itself ..?


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



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    #219
    flyingsnail
    Registered Users Posts: 2,752 ✭✭✭flyingsnail


    galait wrote: »
    OK everytime a Toilet is blocked a contractor is called in and issues an invoice for €500/600 , Fact

    How would any proper business survive with such costs while staff can be idle and read the newspaper !

    Any supporting evidence for this Fact?


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    #220
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,586 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    I can't believe for one second there is such a charge, if there is, for sure it is outrageous waste of money, but I'd say the chance of it being true are less than 1%!


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    #221
    Losty Dublin
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    flyingsnail wrote: »
    Any supporting evidence for this Fact?

    He saw in on a Boards.ie thread :)


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    #222
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    studiorat wrote: »
    The problem seems to be that the reserved notices are well, quite un-noticeable. Yet IR insist in offering the reservation regardless.

    Why do they have it at all? It seems quite useless. So I can only assume it's an attempt to make a quick buck.
    Why don't the ticket checkers ever mention it when checking the tickets?
    I've never seen an ticket inspector remark on it either for that matter.

    It's just another thing that illustrates the inefficiency of the operation.

    This makes no sense. Reserving tickets online is cheaper than buying them at the station in most cases.


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    #223
    galait
    Closed Accounts Posts: 669 ✭✭✭galait


    flyingsnail wrote: »
    Any supporting evidence for this Fact?

    I know someone who provides professional services to the contractor and a member of the office was actually laughing when a call came in from the station when mentioning the amount they get from each call out ,


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    #224
    Losty Dublin
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    galait wrote: »
    I know someone who provides professional services to the contractor and a member of the office was actually laughing when a call came in from the station when mentioning the amount they get from each call out ,

    Not to burst your bubble, man but you're the fifth person in that Chinese whisper ;)


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    #225
    galait
    Closed Accounts Posts: 669 ✭✭✭galait


    Losty Dublin wrote: »
    Not to burst your bubble, man but you're the fifth person in that Chinese whisper ;)

    I am not going to name names but it's a fact and I know the company directors and they readily admit to these charges , Irish Rail are in trouble because of such waste , I have work to do so that is my last word :)

    BTW Also Keep your silly childish "Chinese Whisper" "Read it on Boards" comments to yourself ,


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    #226
    mickydoomsux
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,290 ✭✭✭mickydoomsux


    galait wrote: »
    OK everytime a Toilet is blocked a contractor is called in and issues an invoice for €500/600 , Fact

    How would any proper business survive with such costs while staff can be idle and read the newspaper !

    Sorry, i'm a station operative and you're just making stuff up at this stage.

    We don't ring a contractor for a blocked toilet - we just unblock it. We will ring them for a broken toilet because plumbing is outside of our area of expertise.


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    #227
    mickydoomsux
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,290 ✭✭✭mickydoomsux


    galait wrote: »
    I am not going to name names but it's a fact and I know the company directors and they readily admit to these charges , Irish Rail are in trouble because of such waste , I have work to do so that is my last word :)

    BTW Also Keep your silly childish "Chinese Whisper" "Read it on Boards" comments to yourself ,

    Yeah, sure you know the directors. You have lunch with Dick Fearn every day and he is constantly spilling his guts to you in between begging you for sagely advice.

    In other news, you own a solid gold house and your Da could beat up all of our Da's.


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    #228
    gsxr1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,167 ✭✭✭gsxr1


    This topic is spiraling of topic.

    Its more like an Irish Rail witch hunt.

    From what I see is. We have an excellent modern rail network that has been designed around a working population commuting and going away for a nice break. (it is by far the most comfortable way to travel around Ireland).


    Right. Cuts have to be made. Less people, less money = less IR staff .

    How did we end up with a blocked toilet and complaining about service.

    I work with a few A Holes, but i would not take any pleasure in seeing them made redundant.
    Its seems a few on here like to see peoples life's turned upside down. :(


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    #229
    mickydoomsux
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,290 ✭✭✭mickydoomsux


    gsxr1 wrote: »
    This topic is spiraling of topic.

    Its more like an Irish Rail witch hunt.

    From what I see is. We have an excellent modern rail network that has been designed around a working population commuting and going away for a nice break. (it is by far the most comfortable way to travel around Ireland).


    Right. Cuts have to be made. Less people, less money = less IR staff .

    How did we end up with a blocked toilet and complaining about service.

    I work with a few A Holes, but i would not take any pleasure in seeing them made redundant.
    Its seems a few on here like to see peoples life's turned upside down. :(

    Because every single IE thread in this forum descends into this nonsense.

    Maybe 25% of the people on here are actually interested in a decent discussion of commercial rail travel in Ireland and how it can be improved (i'm including people from both sides of the divide - Pro and anti IE). The rest are the same tired auld heads with the same tired gripes shoehorned into every single thread.


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    #230
    galait
    Closed Accounts Posts: 669 ✭✭✭galait


    mickydoomsux wrote: »
    Yeah, sure you know the directors. You have lunch with Dick Fearn every day and he is constantly spilling his guts to you in between begging you for sagely advice.

    In other news, you own a solid gold house and your Da could beat up all of our Da's.


    Who the **** is Dick Fearn , And yes my Da would rip all other Da's a new one !


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    #231
    bazza1
    Registered Users Posts: 1,270 ✭✭✭bazza1


    galait wrote: »
    Who the **** is Dick Fearn , And yes my Da would rip all other Da's a new one !

    Yore ma maybe! :D


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    #232
    galait
    Closed Accounts Posts: 669 ✭✭✭galait


    bazza1 wrote: »
    Yore ma maybe! :D
    Not Funny , You can't take the fact that I speak the truth so you resort to groundless insults :rolleyes:


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    #233
    bazza1
    Registered Users Posts: 1,270 ✭✭✭bazza1


    galait wrote: »
    Not Funny , You can't take the fact that I speak the truth so you resort to groundless insults :rolleyes:

    I apologise. Your innate knowledge of the inner workings of IE obviously trumps my 29 years experience in the company, doing nothing, waiting for vast amounts of cash to pay for my many homes and lavish lifestyle. Hmm...I must get outsource my laziness. :D


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    #234
    Hilly Bill
    Registered Users Posts: 6,039 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    Judgement Day wrote: »
    It's an unpleasant job right enough but it goes with the territory. The day is rapidly approaching when the only activity of IE staff that won't subcontacted will be opening their pay cheques.

    Do they get pay cheques?


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    #235
    Hilly Bill
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    galait wrote: »
    Actaully in the real world like where I work the cleaning company have been dispensed with and the staff clean their own area's and the toilets are cleaned/maintained by staff who also have desk duites ,

    The thread says that Irish Rail are shedding 450 jobs and all you are concerned about is who cleans the toilet???


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    #236
    Hilly Bill
    Registered Users Posts: 6,039 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    galait wrote: »
    I am not going to name names but it's a fact and I know the company directors and they readily admit to these charges , Irish Rail are in trouble because of such waste , I have work to do so that is my last word :)

    BTW Also Keep your silly childish "Chinese Whisper" "Read it on Boards" comments to yourself ,

    Spoof alert ;)


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    #237
    Hilly Bill
    Registered Users Posts: 6,039 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    galait wrote: »
    Who the **** is Dick Fearn , And yes my Da would rip all other Da's a new one !

    I spilled my tea laughing at the thanks Foggy gives to these posts ;)


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    #238
    Victor
    Registered Users Posts: 78,249 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    Hilly Bill wrote: »
    I spilled my tea laughing at the thanks Foggy gives to these posts ;)
    Can we keep it constructive / on-topic?
    Hilly Bill wrote: »
    The thread says that Irish Rail are shedding 450 jobs and all you are concerned about is who cleans the toilet???

    I was in Cork Station yesterday evening and the toilets hadn't been cleaned since the previous night, so it can be important.


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    #239
    Hilly Bill
    Registered Users Posts: 6,039 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    is it more important than people loosing their jobs?


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    #240
    dublinman1990
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    galait wrote: »
    Who the **** is Dick Fearn

    Dick Fearn is the CEO of Irish Rail. He does not have an Irish Accent as he is originally from the UK.

    Here is a photo of him on the right hand side with Former President Mary McAleese.

    http://www.steamtrainsireland.com/images/news/5408_visit.jpg


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    #241
    dowlingm
    Registered Users Posts: 5,309 ✭✭✭dowlingm


    dublinman1990 wrote: »
    He does not have an Irish Accent as he is originally from the UK.
    your point?


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