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450 job losses announced at Iarnród Éireann

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    #152
    markpb
    Registered Users Posts: 9,250 ✭✭✭markpb


    kingshankly wrote: »
    I find it baffling in these hard times that some people get satisfaction of people loosing their jobs.

    Only a bitter few actually want people to be made redundant. Most people would prefer their taxes to be spent efficiently, hiring civil and public servants were it makes sense to and not just to keep people in jobs.

    If Irish Rail can provide the same level of service with less staff, it makes sense to do so. Continuing to keep them in employment, running a loss and then asking the government for a very expensive subsidy is not a sane way to run a business or country.


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    #153
    corktina
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    I wouldn't want anyone to lose their job but if they are truely redundant, they should be moved to other areas, revenue protectioon springs to mind or market development. If theres no work for them , they should go.


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    #154
    dowlingm
    Registered Users Posts: 5,309 ✭✭✭dowlingm


    foggy_lad wrote: »
    the 002 operates every hour between 7am and 9pm then at 11pm 3am and 5am. Compare that to 4 trains a day and see how vital people think this deadweight service is to the country!

    http://www.buseireann.ie/pdf/1300287394-2.pdf

    The railway line is slow and just too expensive to keep open and operating when the passenger numbers are not high enough to pay for the staff and stations on the line.
    How fortunate Bus Eireann are that they have never been obliged to justify the disruption and expense of shoving the N/M11 through one of the most scenic areas of the country.


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    #155
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 28,984 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    foggy_lad wrote: »
    Compare that to 4 trains a day and see how vital people think this deadweight service is to the country!
    its not our fault the service isn't good enough its IE's fault they want to drive everyone away.
    foggy_lad wrote: »
    The railway line is slow and just too expensive to keep open and operating when the passenger numbers are not high enough to pay for the staff and stations on the line.

    same could have been said for sligo at one stage, look how its fortunes turned around. this line will not be allowed to close, were not that stupid this time. if the fair well special comes round i'l be out with that banner.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #156
    elvis jones
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,197 ✭✭✭elvis jones


    kingshankly wrote: »
    I find it baffling in these hard times that some people get satisfaction of people loosing their jobs.

    Do you deal with Irish Rail staff on a daily basis ?? I've honestly left stuff in the toilet thats more useful.


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    #157
    bazza1
    Registered Users Posts: 1,270 ✭✭✭bazza1


    elvis jones wrote: »
    Do you deal with Irish Rail staff on a daily basis ?? I've honestly left stuff in the toilet thats more useful.

    Sounds like you left the best part of yourself in the toilet!


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    #158
    elvis jones
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,197 ✭✭✭elvis jones


    bazza1 wrote: »
    Sounds like you left the best part of yourself in the toilet!

    What a comeback:rolleyes:

    Having spent over 15,000 with Irish Rail via my commuting i feel i'm well placed to say at least 85 to 90% of the time the staff are unwilling to help, have any basic knowledge the timetables and the only thing they excel at is shoulder shrugging when asked a question.


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    #159
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 28,984 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    elvis jones wrote: »
    What a comeback

    Having spent over 15,000 with Irish Rail via my commuting i feel i'm well placed to say at least 85 to 90% of the time the staff are unwilling to help, have any basic knowledge the timetables and the only thing they excel at is shoulder shrugging when asked a question.
    maybe the management have a list of things they can and can't reply to, or can and can't say, or can and can't do?

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #160
    Judgement Day
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    elvis jones wrote: »
    What a comeback:rolleyes:

    Having spent over 15,000 with Irish Rail via my commuting i feel i'm well placed to say at least 85 to 90% of the time the staff are unwilling to help, have any basic knowledge the timetables and the only thing they excel at is shoulder shrugging when asked a question.

    Having spent 40+ years travelling on Irish railways, and with little time for the organisation that is CIE, I find your remarks offensive as well completely over the top. As in all large organisations (public or private) there is a small percentage of wasters but to tar all the staff with the same brush the way you have is plainly nonsense.


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    #161
    elvis jones
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,197 ✭✭✭elvis jones


    Judgement Day wrote: »
    Having spent 40+ years travelling on Irish railways, and with little time for the organisation that is CIE, I find your remarks offensive as well completely over the top. As in all large organisations (public or private) there is a small percentage of wasters but to tar all the staff with the same brush the way you have is plainly nonsense.

    I'm offended by the price i pay for the service and the service that i get for that money.


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    #162
    elvis jones
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,197 ✭✭✭elvis jones


    end of the road wrote: »
    maybe the management have a list of things they can and can't reply to, or can and can't say, or can and can't do?

    Sorry, why is this train late ?

    Why are we stopped for 20 min with no information announced ?

    Why is this train so late in boarding ?


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    #163
    loyatemu
    Registered Users Posts: 14,743 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    end of the road wrote: »
    thats fine, but if thats the case why keep it open? look i'm not suggesting it should be closed but if the locals are going to graystones then whats the point of it being open at all? how come only some trains stop and others don't? obviously people are using it which is the reason its still open.

    Commuter trains stop there, Intercities do not. The distinction between Commuter and InterCity is a bit vague on the Rosslare line though. Kilcoole used to only have one train a day in each direction IIRC.

    As you point out there was a station at Newcastle (which actually had a building) which was closed, I don't know how Kilcoole survived.


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    #164
    gsxr1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,167 ✭✭✭gsxr1


    elvis jones wrote: »
    I'm offended by the price i pay for the service and the service that i get for that money.

    May I ask how many years commuting you have benefited from, for you 15k?


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    #165
    Losty Dublin
    Registered Users Posts: 12,971 ✭✭✭✭Losty Dublin


    loyatemu wrote: »
    As you point out there was a station at Newcastle (which actually had a building) which was closed, I don't know how Kilcoole survived.

    It didn't; it was closed but it reopened in 1980.


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    #166
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 28,984 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    loyatemu wrote: »
    Commuter trains stop there, Intercities do not. The distinction between Commuter and InterCity is a bit vague on the Rosslare line though. Kilcoole used to only have one train a day in each direction IIRC.

    As you point out there was a station at Newcastle (which actually had a building) which was closed, I don't know how Kilcoole survived.[/QUOTE]

    i didn't mention newcastle per se. i actually meant all the closed stations along the line, so i would have included it (if you get my drift) but thanks for answering.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #167
    n97 mini
    Registered Users Posts: 8,295 ✭✭✭n97 mini


    kingshankly wrote: »
    I find it baffling in these hard times that some people get satisfaction of people loosing their jobs.

    It's not really when those losing their jobs are perceived to be less than hard working, or are perceived to be standing in the way of progress.

    Not everyone deserves the job they're in.


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    #168
    Losty Dublin
    Registered Users Posts: 12,971 ✭✭✭✭Losty Dublin


    n97 mini wrote: »
    It's not really when those losing their jobs are perceived to be less than hard working, or are perceived to be standing in the way of progress.

    Not everyone deserves the job they're in.

    Ah yeah, the good old perception of state or semi state staff being underworked ;)


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    #169
    foggy_lad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,373 ✭✭✭✭foggy_lad


    One thing I read or heard from the reports about these job cuts and cutting back at Irish rail was that staff had an uncertified sick leave entitlement of 7 days per year, that is 7 days they can ring up sick without having to go to the doctor and get a note to prove they are sick. Most other jobs even in the civil service and HSE have at most 5 uncertified days per year.there are possibilities to cut back on certain salaries without the need for as many job losses but the unions of those doing the bulk of the overtime and getting the bulk of the perks would never allow their members to take a hit like that so others must be sacrificed!


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    #170
    Cookie_Monster
    Registered Users Posts: 24,470 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    I thought 12 was the standard per legislation but no more than 2 in a row without a doctors cert, no?


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    #171
    Hilly Bill
    Registered Users Posts: 6,039 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    elvis jones wrote: »
    What a comeback:rolleyes:

    Having spent over 15,000 with Irish Rail via my commuting i feel i'm well placed to say at least 85 to 90% of the time the staff are unwilling to help, have any basic knowledge the timetables and the only thing they excel at is shoulder shrugging when asked a question.

    You have spent 15,000 what?


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    #172
    elvis jones
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,197 ✭✭✭elvis jones


    Hilly Bill wrote: »
    You have spent 15,000 what?

    Euro...........did you think it was magic beans :confused:


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    #173
    Hilly Bill
    Registered Users Posts: 6,039 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    n97 mini wrote: »
    It's not really when those losing their jobs are perceived to be less than hard working, or are perceived to be standing in the way of progress.

    Not everyone deserves the job they're in.

    Can you tell me how you came up with that ? or are you just making it up for effect?


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    #174
    Hilly Bill
    Registered Users Posts: 6,039 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    elvis jones wrote: »
    Euro...........did you think it was magic beans :confused:

    15,000 euro? I think i would have believed the magic beans quicker.


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    #175
    Hilly Bill
    Registered Users Posts: 6,039 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    foggy_lad wrote: »
    One thing I read or heard from the reports about these job cuts and cutting back at Irish rail was that staff had an uncertified sick leave entitlement of 7 days per year, that is 7 days they can ring up sick without having to go to the doctor and get a note to prove they are sick. Most other jobs even in the civil service and HSE have at most 5 uncertified days per year.there are possibilities to cut back on certain salaries without the need for as many job losses but the unions of those doing the bulk of the overtime and getting the bulk of the perks would never allow their members to take a hit like that so others must be sacrificed!

    What are you saying here Foggy? Take what hit?


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    #176
    elvis jones
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,197 ✭✭✭elvis jones


    Hilly Bill wrote: »
    15,000 euro? I think i would have believed the magic beans quicker.

    Really look at the price of an annual ticket from Laois to Heuston and then multiply it by 7.


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    #177
    Hilly Bill
    Registered Users Posts: 6,039 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    Tell me how much that is in magic beans.


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    #178
    Victor
    Registered Users Posts: 78,248 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    elvis jones wrote: »
    Do you deal with Irish Rail staff on a daily basis ?? I've honestly left stuff in the toilet thats more useful.
    No need to be insulting
    bazza1 wrote: »
    Sounds like you left the best part of yourself in the toilet!
    Play nice


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    #179
    hardCopy
    Registered Users Posts: 5,969 ✭✭✭hardCopy


    schemingbohemia wrote: »
    No Foggy Lad having a mouth on you and asking the person in your pre-booked seat to vacate it is a way to guarantee your seat.

    Would that it were so easy. I tried this on a Galway train once. A couple were sitting in our reserved group of four seats. The woman just stared out the window and refused to acknowledge me completely, I eventually got a response from the "gentleman" which was something along the lines of:

    Me: "Excuse me I think you're in our seats"
    Arsehole: "Who says it's your seat?"
    Me: "It's written on my ticket"
    Arsehole: "CIE don't give a f*ck"
    Me: "Well I do, I've reserved these seats, it's written on my ticket"
    Arsehole: "You're wasting your time, they don't give a f*ck"
    Me: "Are you going to move?"
    Arsehole: "They couldn't give a f*ck, I don't give a f*ck....."

    Eventually my girlfriend and her two friends were so mortified they just moved to the next carriage.


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    #180
    bazza1
    Registered Users Posts: 1,270 ✭✭✭bazza1


    Victor wrote: »
    No need to be insulting


    Play nice

    Sorry Victor. As I am an IE employee I took grave exception to the remark. I withdraw my remark.


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    #181
    gsxr1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,167 ✭✭✭gsxr1


    elvis jones wrote: »
    Really look at the price of an annual ticket from Laois to Heuston and then multiply it by 7.

    So you got 7 full years commuting (in comfort) for your 15k.

    You are getting to Laois to Dublin and back each day for well under a tenner at todays annual ticket price, not one bought at 7 years ago prices.

    And you think you are being screwed?

    :confused:


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